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The absurdity of the subway chase...


Watching THE FRENCH CONNECTION for the first time in years, I was struck by how little the subway chase scene did to advance the narrative. It's basically padding. And it's completely absurd. There's no way a car can beat a subway train to the next stop as Popeye Doyle does here, esp. after the train had a massive head start. And I also found it hard to believe that a crack French sniper would try to kill a New York policeman in such a clumsy way in such a public place. In real life, the hitman was arrested with the others in the case, so he clearly hadn't been dispatched like he is in the film. I haven't read the book on which the film was based, but did anything remotely like this happen in real life? I'm sure it would have been big news if it had. I can't seem to find anything on the web or in this message board that addresses this.

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To answer my own question, I watched the Making-of documentary included as an extra with the DVD and, yes, the subway chase was fiction. However, Sonny Grosso revealed that the cat-and-mouse tailing of Frog 1 (Fernando Rey) was based on fact and that when they lost him, Popeye ran up to 42nd Street, got in the car with Grosso and attempted to speed across town to the other end of the shuttle to catch him there. He doesn't say if they succeeded or not, he just says they tried, so I'm assuming they didn't catch him. That would be an even more impossible feat given the traffic on 42nd Street.

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Grosso came up with that story long after the film became famous. The book tells it quite differently, with no speeding cars involved. Detective Egan lost the Frenchman at the Grand Central Shuttle and followed him by train to the Times Square Shuttle Station where he lost him again. There was no race to get there first (at least according to the book).

- For more background on the real case, check out my post "Frank Waters - the real Mulderig."

You're right about the plot holes of Nicoli trying to assassinate Doyle. 1. As a foreign national, how did he manage to get hold of a rifle on such short notice? Not to mention, he barely spoke any English 2. How did he find out so quickly who Doyle was, where he lived and what time he returned home from work? 3. Even if he managed to accomplish all of the above, why didn't he plot a better escape than taking the subway back to his hotel in Manhattan?

Where I would disagree with you is a car could easily catch a moving el train if, as we see in the film, the driver is prepared to blow through red lights and travel in the wrong lane. Contrary to what director Billy Friedkin says, neither the car nor the train are traveling at 70, 80 or 90 mph. 45 or 50mph is more like it (and is plenty fast on city streets).

What I think sells the scene is that it has the look of reality. Real traffic, real subway cars (with real motorman and conductor), and Hackman's performance (Marcel Bozzufi, too). It's the main reason viewers love the scene and think it was a feature in the real investigation.

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Thanks for the clarification on the shuttle chase and the feedback on the other items.

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I remember reading on the commentated version of the film shown on USA channel, that the subway and car chase scene was added by Friedkin, purely to beat the similar scene from Bullitt (1968), which came out a few years before the French Connection. I would presume that the scene has little to do with the actual events (like most of other things that happen in this film).

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Ironically, I would say that the chase scene in Bullitt does not advance the plot and it's removal from the film wouldn't change a thing plot-wise.

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I think we can say this about almost every chase scene. They are cinematic joy rides concocted by filmmakers to give us a visceral experience. Friedkin's TO LIVE AND DIE IN L.A. chase may have had more to do with advancing its plot than some of the others, but even there, ten minutes worth of driving can give only so much narrative information.

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I also saw the subway chase as "padding," but I'm watching it in 2016 after decades of other films topping it by coming-up different ways to film a chase scene.

It was undoubtedly a very unique and unusual chase scene when the film premiered in 1971. The scene with Doyle swerving to avoid hitting that woman with the baby carriage has gone down as one of the great shots of American cinema.

However, what bothered me the most about the 2nd half of the French connection was the idea that "sophisticated" international drug smugglers would try to assassinate a rather inept NYC narcotics detective. It was just so incredibly stupid. Yes, the smugglers were being inconvenienced by police surveillance (which, ironically, had been called-off), but how would killing a police officer assist in lessening that scrutiny? Even if they had been successful then the efforts to apprehend them would have ramped-up a 1000-fold. The NYPD may not have the resources and patience to pursue cagey drug-smugglers, but they would go all-out to catch would-be cop killers. In the film, the attempted hit on Doyle leads to the investigation being put back on with more resources and infinitely more determination on the part of the Doyle's and Grosso's superiors.

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You are absolutely right. It is a definite flaw in the storytelling. The set-up is fine. Nicoli kills a prying French detective at the beginning of the film with the idea is that he will repeat the act against Doyle later on, but as you point out, it wouldn't help them at all and would indeed create even more suspicion and police pursuit. There is a way to make a scene like this work, but it would have taken more imagination and effort of the filmmakers.

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I think the fact that the Frenchmen killed the French cop and suffered no repercussions is what convinced them to try to hit Doyle. It isn't like they were NYC people and knew the way NYPD would react (even though this is a fictional part of the story). To those guys, it was just business as usual with persistent policemen.

Now, as I have previously stated in another thread, the whole rooftop rifle scenario was ludicrous, especially with a foreign national only in the country a few days. There is no way he would have ascertained where Popeye lived and what time he would be arriving home, especially with the lifestyle Doyle led. Furthermore, thet fact he was going to wait on a rooftop for God knows how long, with a rifle, in an unfamiliar neigborhood is pretty far fetched.

But the chase, while fictional, was definitely believeable. Subway trains like the one depicted rarely exceeded 40mph, and while the sounds made it seem like Popeye was driving in excess of 100mph, he was most likely doing around 50mph or so, which is still scary in an urban setting. A good driver could easily catch up with a train under those circumstances, although the risks to the public would be extremely high.

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You actually did research to find out if the chase really happened? That's funny. The movie is only very loosely based on an actual incident, and they don't even hide the fact. Did you notice the names were changed?

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I don't think it is neccessary that a scene is realistic as in a documentary. It just has to be credible in its own cinematic universe, which I think it is. Think of the "blowing up" scene in Antonionis BLOW-UP.

As to the scene not advancing the plot: that is not completely correct. Before that, the two cops are being taken off special assignment, the case apparently lost. However, after he is being shot at and the following subway chase, the case obviously is back on the agenda. Of course, one could have simply have the assassin shoot at Popeye and then go straight into resuming the case, but I think it is important to show the obsession of Hackmans character. He is completely overreacting and almost out of control. The chase scene is the perfect way of showing that, and it is a hell of a scene.

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Excellent analysis. Better than mine.

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You simply resumed the art of cinema with the word padding. You donĀ“t have a clue.

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