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Why does Perchik say 'the Bible'?


He does that at least twice. I didn't think Jews called their scriptures Bible"; didn't notice anyone else say that. Topol usually says "the good book".

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He is Jewish, but not as traditional as the Villagers.

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Hmmm, I've heard Jews refer to their scriptures collectively as "the Bible" when they are speaking of them in English.
I'm pretty sure the word doesn't belong only to Christians.


You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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I always figured that the reason he said 'Bible' was for the non-Jewish people watching the movie, in case none of them knew what the Torah was.

"I'm pretty sure the word doesn't belong only to Christians."

The word 'Bible' was coined by the early Christian Church, when they booked all the ancient Hebrew writings in alongside the Christian writings. I think the only reason it is referred to by Jewish people because most of the secularized Western world know the Book as the Bible.

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Ahhh ... no.

The Torah is only one of three books in the Jewish Bible. And the term wasn't coined by the early Christians, it was adopted by them.

Next you'll be telling us angels, demons and Satan are Christian inventions as well, I suppose.



You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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The word 'Bible' comes from a Greek word meaning 'Book.'

And as for your smart-alec comment about angels, demons, & Satan, I know they believed in prior to the advent of Christianity.



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Bible is actually "books" not just book. It's a collection from various times, places, authors. Even within one of the them their are often more than one editor that added and subtracted their own writings.


The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία ta biblia "the books") refers to any one of the collections of the primary religious texts of Judaism and Christianity."

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The word 'Bible' comes from a Greek word meaning 'Book.'

So? (And ... no. Books)

And as for your smart-alec comment ...

So says the person who did a typical IMDB "Actually, ..." post!



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Where did I write Actually,...?




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not to mention hell...

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Although a form of hell, and the character of Satan (mentioned perhaps first in the Book of Job) came to Judaism first, Christianity did a lot more with those concepts.

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Fewer and fewer know of Job these days in the US.

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Agreed. I could use a better job. But if my job was Job's job, I would have to look for another job.

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ACTUALLY, Zoroastrianism introduced the idea of a personal devil in the form of Ormazd who eternally wars with Ahera Mazda, the good side of "the force" if you will. The Jews were introduced to the concept of Ormazd during the Babylonian captivity. AFAIK from my reading, they never developed the idea of an enternal hell; hell to them was separation from the Deity. Catholics came up with the concept of hell and of the lesser pergatory as a way of frightening pagans into the faith, but giving sinners a gleam of hope of eventually being united with Christ after doing their penance in pergatory.



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Actually, Zoroastrians also believed in a state of Eternal Damnation too.


They believed that the Righteous went to Heaven, to be with Ahura Mazda, while the Condemned were sent to be with Ormazd(aka Angra Mavu).

I don't believe that the Zoroastrian Heaven & Hell are called those, but, that's the closest analogy I can come up with.



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The Torah is only one of three books in the Jewish Bible.
Not entirely correct. Torah is the first five books of the Bible. What you're referring to, in terms of the Hebrew Bible, is the TaNaKh (Torah-The Law, Nevi'im-The Prophets, and Ketuvim-The Writings).

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My experience is that Jews usually call it The Torah and gentiles call it the Old Testament. I have heard rabbis refer to it as the Pentateuch. I have also heard it referred to the Good Book and The Five Books Of Moses. I would guess Perchik called it the Bible so everyone would know what he was talking about.

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