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Listen to the drums, when we first time see the sniper. This is waay before any other rap music/beat

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Oste wrote <<< Listen to the drums, when we first time see the sniper. This is waay before any other rap music/beat >>>>

Oste obviously has little sense of music history, there are examples of beats similar to what used in hip hop and rap that date back to the 1920a, 40's and beyond, Louiis Armstong's "You got me Voodoo'd from 1932 is a brilliant example, it even includes rappin' n rhymin

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Just listened to You got me Voodoo'd.. it has no beat, other than classic jive swing?

Give me some other examples where the beat is as rappy/hiphoppy as in Dirty Harry

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Try the Hamburger song or Go Ahead by Bobby Moore and the Aces, dont' forget that hip hop beats came from 60s and 70s songs like Dance to the Drummer's Beat, The Roach Clip, dozens of James Brown songs, the Mexican, Apache, it's Just Begun, Incredible Bongo band

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Yeah ok ok
But in Dirty Harry the beat is so dirty and ahead of its time

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"Rap music", or beats n music accompanying rapping pre-date the recording industry, rappin' n rhymin' goes back to field songs, chain gangs chants, the dozens, toasting, etc etc

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Ok you're just being stubborn (troll). Move along now

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No, it is not stubbornness, it is about awareness and education to prove that Lalo Schifrin who is a pal of mine and Dirty Harry did NOT start nor have anything to do with the birth of so called rap music more correctly called hip hop. I am a founding member of hip hop, back in the Bronx in the late 60s and early 70s. I am of the generation of Kool Herc, Afrika Baambatta, Grandmaster Flash, the Cold Crush Crew, Rock Steady, Crazy Legs, B-Boys, B-Girls, Zulu Nation, I will not permit hip hop to be misperceived any more than it has. Biggie and Tupac did not start hip hop, in fact what they did, they began the destruction of hip hop turning into rap and a studio producer's genre. I say kill rap and bring back hip hop, 2 turntables and a microphone
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... Lalo Schifrin who is a pal of mine and Dirty Harry did NOT start nor have anything to do with the birth of so called rap music more correctly called hip hop.


Putting all the arguments about who started what aside, it is a terrific soundtrack and just very appropriate to the content depicted onscreen.

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Actually, rap music started in the jungles millions of years ago.. beating some extended cowskin with bones from dinosaurs and chanting in very rythmic ways. You see?

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Rap music is trash and has ruined the African American community.
All that great music that came from blacks ended in the 1990s' when that's all the music blacks make is rap/hip-hop.
Which nothing but swearing over a sample from a 1970s' disco background music.

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Your racism amnd ignorance is so obvious Wm. Lopez that it doesn't even warrant a retort

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Listen to the drums, when we first time see the sniper. This is waay before any other rap music/beat


But it was very reminiscent of what John Bonham (Led Zeppelin's drummer) had been doing since late 1968. In fact Schifrin was also inspired by Zeppelin's Immigrant Song. Check out the riff and the high pitched 'vocals'.

Here's director John Carpenter talking about how Led Zep's Immigrant Song inspired Lalo Schifrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGBiYSKc6s4

I always thought that the drumming when we see Scorpio sounded like it was trying to imitate John Bonham.

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Dang me, Buddy that is a great find! That riff & drums sure does sound like a 'sinister' version of Zep (I officially retract my comments that it sounds like "Evil Sgt Pepper"); When it starts to play & "Scorpio" starts getting the rifle ready, it just ups the tension factor.

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No probs nick. Immigrant Song came out just the year before Dirty Harry so Schifrin must have been in 'Zep mode' hehe. The drumming also reminds me of parts of Bonham's live versions of Moby Dick. Maybe Schifrin saw them in concert? There is especially a similar segment during Bonham's January 1970 version of Moby Dick at the Royal Albert Hall. Bit faster and Schifrin just slowed it down.

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If nobody mentioned it already, NWA sampled Lalo Schifrin's "Scorpio Theme" in their track "Approach to Danger," which makes for one hell of a menacing beat. Here's a link to the song.

http://youtu.be/rTdCZK2e3o0






Trailer For My Second Feature
http://youtu.be/ppeBy_vmkD8

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They call that Jazz.

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