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The 1970's truly sucked.


Not in the film sense, mind you. It was a great decade for films, and one of the best thing about the films from this decade is that they remind you just how much the era sucked!

There is a tendency for all of us to romanticize the times when we were kids. I had recently found myself falling into that trap by watching certain TV shows from the 70's--stuff like The Bob Newhart Show. But in the last few months I have been catching 70's movies like "The New Centurions." "Dirty Harry" has to be the ultimate film to remind you just how bad that decade was. I was 6 in 1970, and as I grew through the following years, I had a sense of a world increasingly spinning out of control. In particular, the people around me walked around with a attitude of resigned victimhood. There were a lot of components to this emotion, but certainly crime had a lot to do with it.

"Dirty Harry" highlights all of this so well. When Chico and Harry are driving through the seedy section of San Francisco with all the strip joints, a lot of people in the audience must have nodded their heads when Clint observes that he'd like to throw a net over all of them. By 1971, the general public was also getting a sense that court cases such as Miranda had turned the justice system against them. If you lived in the 1970's, and you prod your memory a little bit, you'll be able to come up with another thousand examples of what made the period so bad.

In the end, perhaps the best thing about motion pictures (and television, for that matter) is that it will paint a vivid picture of times and places for future generations. People will have to wade through "The Brady Bunch" as well as "Dirty Harry" in order to understand the times, but overall, I think film has done a pretty good job of reflecting times, and in particular, how those of us who lived during a particular time looked at the world around us. When I talk to my peers, there is a consensus that America hit rock bottom in the 1970's. I think "Dirty Harry" has done a great job of conveying this.

"He was running around like a rooster in a barnyard full of ducks."--Pat Novak

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What a load of shít.

What I call a dream involves Diana Dors and a bottle of chip oil.

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Yeah, but the music was much better.

Limit of the Willing Suspension of Disbelief: directly proportional to its awesomeness.

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I'm about the same age as you, and my experience was completely different. Maybe you are just talking about the backlash from the 60's generation. Far as I am concerned I was happy to be a practical 80's kid and get rid of all that stuff. That's when I was in high school, and far as I am concerned that is the real coming of age time.

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"America hit rock bottom in the 1970s"????? That's funny....I'm old enough to remember the '70s, and I don't recall weekly news stories about someone whacking out and opening fire on strangers in a school or shopping mall.

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But we had the ongoing war in Vietnam AND we had whack jobs (both media savvy psychos like "Zodiac" & faceless terrorists like 'The Zebra Killer' conspiracy) who kept us looking over our shoulders & on edge.

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Uh, yeah....what have we been doing in Iraq and Afganistan for the past 10 plus years?

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Well those are not BIG ASS semi conventional wars & we seem to be lacking 'gloating publicity hungry psychos'...

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If you look at murder rates per 100k in the United States over the years, rates more than doubled between 1960 and 1980, then have gradually come down to 1950's levels in the years since 2000. Basically, your chances of becoming a murder victim in the 1970's were about double what they are today. Do I agree that there are more mass killings today than in the 70's? Yes--but those events receive far more attention than individual killings, and thus our perceptions are skewed. The fact is, we are much safer today than we were in the 70's (or 80's or 90's, for that matter. )

Mass murders are by no means unique to today, in any event. Charles Whitman's sniper attack from the University of Texas Tower in 1966 resulted in 16 deaths and 32 injuries.

A lot of theories have been advanced to explain the decline in homicide rates, but the bottom line is clear: You are much safer today than you were when Dirty Harry was watching the streets.

"He was running around like a rooster in a barnyard full of ducks."--Pat Novak

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A lot of theories have been advanced to explain the decline in homicide rates, but the bottom line is clear: You are much safer today than you were when Dirty Harry was watching the streets.


Cell phones. Constant link to help wherever you are whether it's family, friends, roadside assistance, taxi, 911 or law enforcement. Before the cell phone helpless motorists had to flag down and ask for help from strangers.

As a pedestrian in the 70's, if you ran into trouble on a dark street or didn't have access to a payphone (or the change to use one) your goose was cooked.

Sure some murders occur even with a cell phone handy, but the modern presence of the cell phone and its ability to get oneself out of a scary situation by calling for help 24/7 might explain the decline in the murder rate.

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Well guys..i'm writing from England, and can only comment on the UK, but the 1970's aren't exactly viewed with undiluted pleasure from over here! We had a 3 day working week ( to save fuel..we relied on coal fired power stations, and our miners were on strike) We had frequent, and lengthy power cuts for the same reasons. Our streets were piled high
with garbage, again due to industrial action which was growing to epidemic proportions in British industry. We were bankrupt, we built absolutely crap cars (as did everyone else!) and the music of the 70's was terrible...apart from Deep Purple & Black Sabbath that is! Movies? The less said about the output from ANY source, the better! Britains film industry hadn't so much been given the last rites as been buried with full military honours. The US weighed in with the disaster movie..enough said!...and Woody Allen!
Without doubt..the worst decade ever..even Elvis died during it, the last bastion of good music! The 1980's weren't exactly great, but seemed like paradise in comparison!
Rant over!

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We had a 3 day working week ( to save fuel..we relied on coal fired power stations, and our miners were on strike) We had frequent, and lengthy power cuts for the same reasons. Our streets were piled high
with garbage, again due to industrial action which was growing to epidemic proportions in British industry.


I think I remember the Kinks song "(I wish I could fly like)Superman"; wasn't there a line: "switched on the radio & nearly dropped dead-the news so bad that I fell out of bed: There was a gas strike, oil strike, lorry strike, bread strike
Got to be a Superman to survive; Gas bills, rent bills, tax bills, phone bills
I'm such a wreck but I'm staying alive.."

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and the music of the 70's was terrible...apart from Deep Purple & Black Sabbath that is!


*Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd (the two premier rock bands of the 1970s) ate Purple and Sabbath for breakfast.

remember The Sweet, Mud, Shawaddywaddy, The Roubettes, and er..Gary Glitter!! We also endured Disco ( how we coped with that still baffles me)..Darts, Brotherhood of Man, and Kate Bush!
No wonder the Sex Pistols were treated like the Beatles..look at their competition! To sum up, don't forget that Benny Hill & Clive Dunn both got to #1...and The Bay City Rollers (in tartan) were superstars!


You are talking about pop singles chart music. Pop music singles have mostly been a barrel of cheap crap. It was then and it is now. It even was in the 1960s for the most part. But away from the pop singles charts there was a lot of great music in the 1970s. I've already mentioned mega bands Zeppelin and Floyd but also the Stones and The Who did their best work in the early 1970s. Abba were probably the best singles songwriters this side of The Beatles. There was also funk and soul and stellar souther rockers like Lynyrd Skynyrd and icons like Bob Marley.

The 1970s seem to be far more eclectic than today when it comes to music.

For music, the current situation is the worst since the rock and roll era began.

*Edit. Scorpio's theme in Dirty Harry seems to have been inspired and taken from Led Zeppelin's Immigrant Song (1970). The riff is more or less identical and it even has Robert Plant like high pitched 'vocals'.

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I love the lyrics...savagely accurate for those of us old enough to remember that poxy decade! I must admit i don't recall that Kinks track, but with all the power cuts, i wouldn't have been able to hear it, would i? I can only assume your radio/hi-fi was clockwork...or ran on steam!!!
No...hang on, steam needs coal. You must have had a wind up record player! (LOL!)

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Neither applies; I saw the Kinks at the Berkeley Greek Theater in the late 1970s, which was when I heard the song....they were AWESOME, by the way.

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You lucky devil!!
At least i saw a band from the 70's that i forgot to mention earlier...my heroes, AD/DC!
In 1979 they still had Bon Scott on vocals, and God!...he was good! A few months after that gig he was dead!
I digress...the 1970's were STILL dreadful, with or without AC/DC...remember The Sweet, Mud, Shawaddywaddy, The Roubettes, and er..Gary Glitter!! We also endured Disco ( how we coped with that still baffles me)..Darts, Brotherhood of Man, and Kate Bush!
No wonder the Sex Pistols were treated like the Beatles..look at their competition! To sum up, don't forget that Benny Hill & Clive Dunn both got to #1...and The Bay City Rollers (in tartan) were superstars! I'll add bell bottom jeans and rest my case!!

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At least i saw a band from the 70's that i forgot to mention earlier...my heroes, AD/DC!
In 1979 they still had Bon Scott on vocals, and God!...he was good! A few months after that gig he was dead!


AC/DC? SWEET! Wanna know something funny? My wife is a Cuban Emigre who came over in the late 1960s---and even SHE had a copy of 'Back in Black'....but she does have a fondness for The Bay City Rollers as well, though she never bought 'Frampton Comes Alive';

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It's chart music we're discussing, not two acts that have one thing in common...a high opinion of their own abilities! Pink Floyd relied chiefly on a pyrotechnic stage act..much like ELO, always an ominous sign for the audience! It usually means they can look forward to a deficiency in the music department..and that applies to Floyd! They managed to stop arguing long enough to produce ONE album that most people can name; 'Dark Side Of The Moon.' I'll concede it's a good album..but lightning didn't strike twice, did it? 'The Wall' was a prime example of their usual fare, absolute rubbish wrapped up as some kind of masterpiece! Led Zeppelin? Just a heavy rock band with a very good man on vocals..nothing more, they had an over inflated opinion of their own abilities in my opinion, and whilst their albums are adequate, i tired of seeing each live number stretched out to 10 or 15 minutes when i saw them. A very poor live act for me..VERY poor! You mentioned the Who too, didn't you? I'm a HUGE fan of the band in general, and Keith Moon in particular.He was (and is) the finest drummer who ever drew breath! However, the Who did NOT do most of their best work in the 1970's! Far from it! (& yes..i've not forgotten 'Tommy')
Pete had said everything he had to say by 1971, their peak years were 66 & 67, and the high points of the Who live consists of material from that period. 'Wont get fooled again' & 'The Seeker' are the only two decent examples of their 70's work. Like Floyd and MANY others..they fell into the 'concept album' trap instead of simply writing stand alone numbers, either for an LP or as a single. I'm a Who fan..i saw them 4 times up until they lost Keith Moon in Sept 1978, without him they just weren't the same for me!
I cannot argue with the commercial success of Zep & Floyd, but if you buy one album by each of them, you need not buy any more..if you've heard one you've heard them all.
They wrote to a formula, which is why, unlike Sabbath & Purple, their work is now sounding so dated.
Hard rock? Give me Sabbath, Purple and AC/DC any day!

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Led Zeppelin? Just a heavy rock band with a very good man on vocals..nothing more,


You've immediately discredited yourself from being taken seriously.

Led Zeppelin were probably the most talented group of musicians in any one band. They didn't have just Robert Plant of note. They had one of the greatest guitarists ever in Jimmy Page and probably the greatest and most influential rock drummer of all time in John Bonham. Then there was master off all trades John Paul Jones.

And by the way most of Zep's output wasn't even 'heavy rock'. They went from folk to blues to funk to world music.

and whilst their albums are adequate, i tired of seeing each live number stretched out to 10 or 15 minutes when i saw them.


This never happened at ANY of their concerts. The only songs that were stretched out to 10 of 15 minutes (beyond ones that were that long anyway) were Dazed and Confused, How Many More Times and Whole Lotta Love and Whole Lotta Love's extra length consisted of rock n roll medleys and covers all done in fun.

I cannot argue with the commercial success of Zep & Floyd, but if you buy one album by each of them, you need not buy any more..if you've heard one you've heard them all.


This coming from a man who raves about AC/DC? I own every AC/DC album and while I appreciate them as a rock band they never really departed from their heads down rock approach.

Led Zeppelin were FAR more eclectic, diverse, musically complex and challenging than AC/DC, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. The Rain Song or Down By The Seaside, for example, sounds not even like the same band who did Communication Breakdown or Whole Lotta Love. By the time LZ got to their last album it was keyboard dominated and nothing like their first album 10 years before.

They wrote to a formula, which is why, unlike Sabbath & Purple, their work is now sounding so dated.


Led Zeppelin are vastly more fresh and contemporary sounding than Sabbath or Purple and their albums were masterfully produced by Jimmy Page himself. Led Zep don't sound dated. Sabbath and Purple do and both bands were LZ wannabes anyway.

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I wasn't trying to be 'taken seriously'..i was expressing my opinion, formed over several decades and at my age, not subject to alteration! Led Zeppelin DID extend most of the numbers in their live act..if you maintain differently, you either weren't familiar with the studio material, or you never saw them!
Deep Purple were recording BEFORE L.Z. so in order to be L.Z. 'wannabees' they'd have needed a crystal ball.
You have you opinion..i have mine, one of those times people will never agree! You be telling me Cream were superb next!

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I wasn't trying to be 'taken seriously'..i was expressing my opinion, formed over several decades and at my age, not subject to alteration!


No, you were claiming facts that aren't facts. This is different to having an opinion.

Led Zeppelin DID extend most of the numbers in their live act..


You said every number was expanded to 10 to 15 minutes. This is blatantly untrue.

The fact is that Zeppelin didn't play songs note for note the same way live as the studio albums.

if you maintain differently, you either weren't familiar with the studio material, or you never saw them!


I am familiar with all their studio work. It's you who are not. Only somebody not familiar with all of Zep's work would label them just a 'heavy rock'.

How the hell is Tangerine or Bron-y-Aur Stomp or The Rain Song or That's The Way or blah blah blah 'heavy rock'?

Deep Purple were recording BEFORE L.Z. so in order to be L.Z. 'wannabees' they'd have needed a crystal ball.


Purple were not the same band they became until after LZ appeared in 1968. Ritchie Blackmore admitted he brought Ian Gillan into the band to try and compete with Led Zep's Robert Plant while Roger Glover also admitetd that it wasn't until LZ came along that he realised 'heavy' was an attitude and not just loudness.

Ozzy Osbourne will also tell you that the first 2 Led Zeppelin albums changed his musical direction and the musical direction of Black Sabbath.

Led Zeppelin were the band that both Sabbath and Purple looked to and to try and aspire to although neither came anywhere near to Zeppelin's greatness, importance or musical complexity and diversity. This is why neither band are as revered as Zeppelin are today.

You have you opinion..i have mine, one of those times people will never agree!


Nope you claimed things as facts.

You be telling me Cream were superb next!


Nope, I never cared for Cream.

And I am glad you said you weren't expecting to be taken seriously when whining about Zep's albums all sounding the same and then masturbate over AC/DC. If there is one band that never changes and sounds the same album after album then (as much as I like them) its AC/DC.

LOL.

Edit. I also have to point out that Led Zeppelin never really extended many of their songs live when they were new and they did basically play them quite close to the album versions. It was only when they had been playing those songs live for a few years that they then got bored with playing them close to the studio versions and so took them to new directions, but that was actually cool and experimental. If you saw one AC/DC concert you saw them all. I've seen AC/DC quite a few times and they never were a surprise. You knew what you were getting. AC/DC played Back in Black basically the same way in the 2000s as they did in the 1980s.

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I think AC/DC 1974-1980 & AC/DC 1980-2013 are very different bands. Bon employed a lot of subtle humour and word play throughout his lyrics that are sadly missing now. I've always thought they were a superior recording act with Bon Scott on vocals, although i must, and do concede their huge commercial success came with Brian Johnson as front man. Would that have occured had Bon lived? I'd like to think so, but who could know? I've always thought that each of Bon's albums had a separate identity (other than the title!)..a style of it's own, but again, that's only my opinion.
Let's just say this; Brian is a fine vocalist, a unique talent that has served the band well. Personally i've always preferred Bon, and i like the Bon Scott albums over Brian's work.
Again..only my opinion!

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You know what? I agree with you about Bon vs Brian AC/DC.

My fave AC/DC album ever is probably either Let There Be Rock or Powerage. I can't decide.

To me, AC/DC played more or less the same kind of music all the way through but it's just that the earlier albums had a more raw and harsher edge to the sound as opposed to the post Bon Scott albums that had a more polished and more 'professional' production sound to them. This actually started with Highway To Hell when Mutt Lange took over as producer.

We can agree on this but I can't agree with anybody into rock who disses Led Zeppelin. They, along with the Beatles, are the pinnacle of rock and Led Zeppelin remain the epitome of what a rock band is all about. They are the ultimate rock band.

Seriously, if you catch any Led Zep stuff from 1969 through 1972 when they were at their peak and before the excesses really took over they were the greatest rock band ever. For about 4 or 5 years Led Zeppelin were truly the greatest rock and roll band the world has ever seen. Most acts only have a about half a decade of pure peak.

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Powerage is my favourite album..i have one of the early Europe pressings with 'Cold Hearted Man' included. It's now quite rare! (but NOT, as far as i know, a collectors piece, or worth anything!) 'Highway To Hell' next..'Night Prowler' was the last thing Bon recorded if you exclude the version he cut with french band 'Trust' (it's on Youtube if you're interested!) Let's not forget 'If You Want Blood' recorded largely in Glasgow, most of which was filmed and available on DVD. A studio version of 'Rock And Roll Damnation' still eludes me, does it exist on the Australian 'High Voltage' or 'Dirty Deeds'? They both differ from the Europe and US versions. As a footnote, you might have heard the urban myth that Bon recorded the track 'Back In Black'..he didn't, a band called 'Jackyl' did. THAT'S on Youtube too. Check it out..it DOES sound a hell of a lot like Bon, and gives a flavour of how the 'Back In Black' album might have sounded with him.

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The overrated LZ totally sucked and they always will. Fact.

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They had one of the greatest guitarists ever in Jimmy Page

and a thieving bastard all in one!

'Huuutch!' - Starsky

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How was Page a thief?

The bad news is you have houseguests. There is no good news.

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This is an older thread, Buddy, but as you probably know, Jimmy Page is (or has) re-releasing all the remastered original Zep albums...he was even on The Late Night American chat shows talking about it a while back.




Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?

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I digress...the 1970's were STILL dreadful, with or without AC/DC...remember The Sweet, Mud, Shawaddywaddy, The Roubettes, and er..Gary Glitter!! We also endured Disco ( how we coped with that still baffles me)..Darts, Brotherhood of Man, and Kate Bush!


A little unfair to lump the magnificent Kate Bush in with that lot, surely?! If you don't like her music, fine, it's not to everyone's taste, but creatively she's in a different stratosphere to that kind of chart fluff.

Make tea, not war.

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I was a teenager in the 70's (graduated high school in 1975) and completely disagree with your comments. Do we overstate how great certain times were? Of course, everyone does. However, the music was far superior to today's computerized crap. Some of the greatest movies came out in the 70's (The Godfather, Alien, The Exorcist, The Sting, The Outlaw Josey Wales, Jaws, Rockey, Taxi Driver, Halloween, etc.). I love many of the TV shows from that era. Yes, we had serious political problems but I have fond memories from those years.

Every decade has it's hits & misses but if I could go back in time that would probably be the time period I'd choose.

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I'm with you. And even though statistically speaking it might've been more dangerous in the 70s, I sure as heck felt safer and was more trusting than I am now. Call it a fool's paradise, but I loved the 70s. I was teenager then, and we had more fun in one night that anyone born today will have in a whole freaking lifetime. The music was the best ever, and we could actually afford concerts back then. I saw the most incredible groups, and with my part time job could afford to see at least a couple of concerts a month. Yeah, many of us were into to soft drugs, but we were all chill. We didn't get angry and uptight and flip out the way kids do nowadays. And geez how great it was to live in a time when people had common sense AND a sense of humor. Today you've gotta watch every word that comes outta your mouth so you don't offend somebody's delicate sensibilities. As for politics, leadership might've been poor, but hey, back then we took responsibility for our actions and didn't need the government to protect us from ourselves. If I were going back to live in another era I'd definitely pick the 70s flaws and all.

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The 1970's, for me, were a mixed bag. I was a teenager during the 1960's, graduating from high school in 1969, and I was kept on a fairly tight leash all through my teen years, but somehow I managed to do a lot of things that most teenagers back then did, despite my lack of the kind of social life that I so badly wanted but didn't have. I believe that the 1960's was a beautiful time to grow up and be a teenager, nonetheless. The late-1960's and the 1970's is when a decline started, and the crime rate in this country overall began to escalate. Many bad things happened, but there was a lot of good, also. There was much less consciousness of ethnicity and religion and people were somewhat more laid back. I had a good time from the mid to late 1970's, when I was in college, I met many cool people, and partied quite a bit, and went to a number of rock concerts as well, things I never had the opportunity to do as a teenager. I was also studying to be a craftsperson, and enjoying myself, as well.

I still remember, however, the riots that erupted when mandatory school busing took the city of Boston by storm, especially in the white working-class neighborhoods, which rivaled the eruptions over mandatory school busing that occurred in many of the Southern areas, such as Alabama, Mississippi, and a number of other places. Blacks couldn't walk freely in many of the white neigborhoods in Boston, and many whites were afraid to walk through many of Boston's black neighborhoods as well. There was much rock-throwing, there were physical confrontations, and racial epitats ringing while kids were being bused from one neighborhood to another; blacks into white neighborhoods and whites into black neighborhoods (although most of the rock-throwing, assaults and epitat-slinging took place in the white neighborhoods, where it was directed at the black students, especially in the more tribal neighborhoods of Southie (South Boston) and Charlestown, and to a lesser degree, the North End and East Boston, as well as in Roxbury, with black youths stoning white students being bused into the Roxbury schools.

The riots that erupted in the wake of mandatory school busing here in Boston were such that the city and its people were left psychologically scarred, especially because there were a number of really horrific incidents during that period; A black lawyer was beaten by young whites, and one tried to swing an American flag at him, but he leaned away from the flat just in time, all when he was on his way to a meeting in Boston's City Hall. A young white man was also bludgeoned and stoned to death by a bunch of young black men while driving through Roxbury roughly a week afterwards, there were beatings, shootings and even stabbings, as well, not to mention many other nasty incidents. It was a mess, and it's taken Boston quite awhile to recover somewhat from all of this.

I think that there were many excesses during the mid to late 1960's and early to mid 1970's, so during the late 1970's and the 1980's, the United States on the whole, began swinging back to Conservativism, especially with the election of Ronald Reagan, resulting in the political correctness of today.

The 1960's were great for movies and music, but in the the 1970's, a decline in both of those mediums began, although there were still some good music and movies to be had back then.

The Kent State and the Jackson University killings that occurred back in 1970, however, were also rather horrific, and it sort of helped set the tone for that particular decade, in general.

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