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Oliver's father wasn't THAT terrible...!!!


I saw this movie when I was SO YOUNG (7ish), so after seeing Ryan and Ali on Oprah, I finally got curious enought it again, yet, this time, as an adult, so I could understand it (I just remember as 7 yr old girl, having a crush on Ryan, even though he was an "old" guy at 25ish, LOL!!) When I rewatched it, he did't even LOOK 25, even though he was 27/28 - he looked more like a senior in high school to me!! :)

Anyway, everyone from Oprah, to the critics, and even those who wrote the story description on the DVD box made Mr. Barret II (or III?) out to be a totally heartless bastard, who had immediately disowned his son, upon learning that Ollie planned to marry Jenny. While he and his wife were embarrassingly judgmental and somewhat demeaning towards her at that first (and only?) dinner, I felt that A) Oliver went in with such low expectations and "decided" that his father would oppose their relationship, before anything really happened (to me, it almost seemed like he was setting up the whole romantic idea of it's "us against the world," with Jenny, which is understandable in young love - it's very "Romeo & Juliet-esqe," which further heightens the romance, B) IF Ollie had given his father more of a chance to "prove himself" (maybe he would have, and maybe he wouldn't, but judging by the scene towards the end at the hospital, I think the guy had a heart and genuinely felt awful about what had happened, and NOT just it was convenient to, now that she was dead (!). I mean, he drove from Boston to NY, to see if he could help, withouthaving known (yet) that she had died, C) While I don't excuse his intial snobiness towards Jenny, I can almost understand that a man in his position (being extremely wealthy) has to be concerned that girls might pursue a naive Ollie because of his family's wealth and be protective. I mean, PERHAPS he (and his wife, which I wish we could have seen more of, esp the conversations they must of had, in private, over Jenny) MIGHT have given her a chance, had Oliver been more pro-active in talking with them after that initial and final dinner D) while the movie led us to believe that Ollie had been "cut-off" financially and otherwise, after he received his Harvard Law School letter of acceptance (because we see him talking with the Dean about a scholarship), and seeing how at his wedding his parents were a "no-show" (did we know for sure that they were even invitied?) there wasn't a converstation about him being cut off, at least that we, as the audience, were privy to. I just remember OLIVER being the one to assume he was cut off (perhaps they did have a conversation "off-screen"), but still, the movie rushed that whole issue somewhat. which left us (at least me), scratching my head!!

Does anyone agree, or even point out something that I might have missed?

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I thought the same when I read the book (which I remember better than the movie itself).
I can sort of understand Oliver if he saw him that way, but really, Segal as th writer should know better than present him from Oliver's perspective only.

I guess Ebert was right. He thought the movie was actually better than the book, which he found intolerable.
Maybe Segal was influenced, as was the movie, by the "hippie" movement, which saw everyone wealthy as an Antichrist or something. (Notice how much more sympathetic the text is to Jennie's "working class" father.)

So, long story short, I agree with you. Totally.




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You are right. It is a story of a young man who rejects his father because of clouded vision produced by the don't-trust-anyone-over-30 and you-can't-be-rich-and-be-honest mantras of the time. Jenny loved Ollie and wanted him to set things right with his father. To Ollie's discredit, he apparently never got the message.

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The father wasn't that bad.

And he was there at the end, but you could see in the final scene that Oliver got that.

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I just saw it again last night after many years. I felt so very annoyed at the lack of understanding the son gave to his obviously very interested father. His father only wanted the best for him & he would have gotten to like his choice in the women , if given the opportunity. Great story but I felt so bad about the way things went between the father & his spoiled son....

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But sometimes what the father considers "the very best" isn't necessarily what the son wants or would consider "the very best" at that time in his life. The son might very well change that opinion over the years, of course! But one of the big reasons for the generation gap of that time is that so many fathers couldn't put themselves in their sons' shoes, or remember what it was like to be that young & overwhelmed by love & ideals & unfettered hope & dreams, however naïve that might seem (or be) in retrospect. Oliver's father wasn't malicious … but he had forgotten that some things have to be lived through & experienced, even if they end badly, and that the hard-won wisdom of older age can only be words to someone who hasn't lived it for himself yet.

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You are 100% correct. Olliver the son was an insufferable ass when it came to interacting with his Father (who had given him everything.)

I don't think it was any kind of predjudace that made the senior Mr. Barret oppose the marriage, he just thought marrying while still in school woud negativly affet Olivers future.

Had he accepted the invitation to his Fathers Birthday party, I am sure the reconciliation would have begun, and Jenny would have been welcomed into the family. Had he merely told his Father at the office, that she was sick, Mr. Barret would have probably driven directly to the hospital, and did whatever he could to help. (As he did in the final scence.)

Oliver IV in his youthful foolishness, never gave his Father a chance.

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I agree, OP. Another scene to bolster your point was just mentioned; the one in which Jenny calls to RSVP (Yes) to the father's birthday party and Oliver wrestles the phone away from her.

Back then, the generations involved had grown up in very different times. Good point about gold diggers; when Oliver III was his son's age, most women didn't work, and this was really more of an issue.

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This was the trend at the time in big movies in this era.
To show the younger generation against the older one and rebellion and being against the establishment with an Us vs Them mentality.

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sadly, the way the millennials treat the baby boomers nowadays, i think that trend is going to come back around soon. :(

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All his father asked was to not rush the marriage, but wait a couple of years, for if their love is true, it will not fade away anyway. It wasn't an out of this world unreasonable request.

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Of course he wasn't terrible. The movie makes it perfectly clear that there was nothing all that bad about him and that Oliver was overreacting to everything he said and did. That scene when they're in the car and Jenny says something like, "Don't you have a sense of humor," is there to show audiences that Oliver was blowing everything that he said and did out of proportion.

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He wasn't the kindest dad to be sure, but Oliver was a real jackass. I'm watching it on TCM tonight and am noticing more and more of Oliver's hypocrisies. I never much liked his hotheaded bravado, which seemed designed to dispel the image of a wealthy pretty boy. He whines constantly of having his family name looming over him. And what does he choose to drive? A bad-ass working class muscle car? Nah. He motors around in an antique automobile that only an aristocrat would own. Another scene that bugged me was when he went begging to the Harvard dean for a scholarship. The dean rightly pointed out that there are much more needy students, and Oliver responds with something like "What's more needy than complete destitution?" What idiotic arrogance. He had the choice of making amends with his father and inheriting millions upon millions. The truly destitute don't have that choice. When it came down to it, I didn't find one likable thing about him except his allegiance to Jenny. At the very least he wasn't a John Edwards sort of guy, running around with other women while his wife dies of cancer.

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I am also watching it now on TCM. The movie is just over. And I can say I cried more for the fracture between Oliver and his father. Oliver was an arrogant brat, father was normal, it was Oliver that gave him no chance. This is such a sad story.

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I agree of course, except I won't say his father was blameless. He should have accepted Oliver's wish to marry the poor paesana who, by the way, wasn't exactly a waitress at the all-night diner!

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