Just saw this for the first time and thought it was amazing. Still sorting through the themes but it seemed to me that many of the characters Crabb encountered were allegories for some of man's lesser traits. Custer=Arrogance, Dunaway's character=(religious)hyporcracy, etc.
There even seems to be some meaning in the juxtaposition of "human beings" vs. "white men" which included "black white men."
Just wanted to open it up to discussion to see what others might have interpreted from this fine film.
i don't want to criticize your ideas, because i agree that these are all important themes in the film - but i don't see them as 'symbols' - they are right there on the screen. the discussion regarding human beings is carried on throughout the entire film and isn't implied by suggestion, so i see these more as thematic elements rather than symbolic...
anyway.
it still annoys me that the only way 'in' to native americans in cinema has typically been through a euro character... and this might also apply to australia, africa, etc.
it's why i like sherman alexie so much, as he turns all this on its head ... have you seen smoke signals?
Thanks for the post. I suppose my original post wasn't clear. My bad. What I meant to ask was what do these thematic elements mean within the greater context of the film?
Yes it's clear that the Custer character was (or possibly represented) arrogance and Dunaway's represented hypocrisy, or religious hypocrisy (and in both cases I'm sure these characters had even more complex meanings).
And the white men vs. "human beings" is certainly loaded thematically.
What I'm wondering is how could these elements be interpreted together as a whole piece. What is the movie about--other than the overt story of white men destroying the Native American way of life.
I'm not saying there is one correct answer. I'm just curious as to what others are interpreting.
might the entire film, with all its episodic parts, be a discussion on human folly? the pointlessness of our endeavors? even an existential or near-nihilist outlook?
after all, even the chief's attempts to assume his final resting position doesn't work - it's not as if his cultural knowledge is glorified above the others - he too is sort of lampooned and buffooned - it's just that his group has been expoited and overrun by a dominant group in this situation.
anyone who's got it all 'figured out' in the film seems to be shown up with a reversal or a great fall. the examples you mention fit here.
our lone 'survivor' who holds true to his message throughout the film is the character played by martin balsam - who doesn't have any message at all - he's just exploiting everyone else with snake oil. he knows everything's a sham, and he is slowly being carved apart for it, but he doesn't uphold a greater truth or ideology - he just says basically 'that's the way it goes' and rolls on. he doesn't try to staple any system onto things. he's not superimposing a formulation of thought and deed created with finite human reason onto the world - he's just shuffling through it, conning folks out of change and dealing with their wrath as it arrives - in this sense, he reminds me very much of the 'fools' in mark twain's huck finn stories. in a couple of supposedly hilarious episodes, a pair of con men raft with huck and jim for a bit and get into all sorts of trouble for their ploys - but their sheer merriment and detachment from everything renders them endearing after all, while anyone who wags a finger or extols a credo is played for an idiot.
in a way i can see this, but nathaniel west's stories feel so much more bleak in their overall negative feeling toward humanity - cynical, disgusted, even fearful of the insanity of crowds - an overall dismissal of the possibility for transformation in people, who, when collected, tend to swarm rather than fix problems. LBM feels much more buoyant, wouldn't you say? as if maybe all that's the case, but lah-di-dah?
this is kind of off topic: i don't know why, but i've always liked the framed narrative design... boxes within boxes... citizen kane, joseph conrad, etc...