In order to get the raspy voice of 121 year old Jack, Dustin Hoffman sat in his dressing room and screamed at the top of his lungs for an hour.
As much as I love this film and Hoffman's performance, he could be considered way too obsessed with his craft at times, and this can border on masochism. Why not act the raspy voice from the moment? Wouldn't that be considered a bigger challenge?
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Hoffman is trying to embody the character. The less he has to consciously think about things like "acting with a raspy voice," the more he can focus on his performance, and the voice will just take care of itself.
I suppose you could say I was being sarcastic, when I mentioned about an acting challenge. The goal is to be convincing; but if he had to scream his lungs off for an hour to sound hoarse, couldn't that also be considered egotistical and even a cheat? When you say embody, do you mean channel or become possessed? That only appears self-absorbed and self-important to me. I just think many famous and revered method actors, can take some things to the extreme, as though it makes it appear more relevant than what it really is. They can lose a sense of their own self-worth and "realness" in the process. Hoffman had talent and skill and if he felt that was necessary to give the performance that he did, fine for him; but I also see it as "pretentious", when he could have been just as impressive, by being in the moment and natural.
I don't see how that's a cheat. This isn't a regulated sport with rules and regulations.
When you say embody, do you mean channel or become possessed?
Neither. I mean to become.
but I also see it as "pretentious", when he could have been just as impressive, by being in the moment and natural.
That's exactly the point. If he was having to "act" with an old man's voice, he couldn't be in the moment because he'd be thinking about having to do the raspy voice. Affecting a raspy voice isn't as "natural" as actually having one.
He didn't want that to be on his mind. He gave himself a hoarse voice so that he could be in the moment, knowing the voice would take care of itself, so to speak.
This isn't a regulated sport with rules and regulations. _________________ No, but it does pander and boost the ego, just like sport and other forms of competitive behavior.
Neither. I mean to become....He gave himself a hoarse voice so that he could be in the moment, knowing the voice would take care of itself, so to speak. ________________ Well did he? I saw an actor, Dustin Hoffman, in old man make up, reciting lines behind his latex and seeing the makeup as possibly more impressive than Hoffman. People can then go...."Look! That's Dustin Hoffman"....as though he could do what others can't, when the makeup really did it all for him. Or perhaps it was the raspy voice, that elevated his performance as Old Jack. I don't think it would have made a blind bit of difference, if he screamed his lungs off for an hour, or chose to act the voice in the moment as well. David Bowie, apparently did something similar for THE HUNGER-83'. I suppose some might even die for their art.
No, but it does pander and boost the ego, just like sport and other forms of competitive behavior.
Doesn't mean what he did is cheating. There is no cheating when it comes to acting. Hell, you can say the whole movie business is cheating. Scenes are put together from different days and performances, lines are looped, mistakes are edited out, camera tricks create illusions.
Well did he?
Yes.
though he could do what others can't, when the makeup really did it all for him.
The make up made him look old. The raspy voice made him sound old. Why aren't you complaining about the makeup being cheating?
I don't think it would have made a blind bit of difference, if he screamed his lungs off for an hour, or chose to act the voice in the moment as well.
It does for the actor. It's the same reason actors will put a pebble in their shoe if they need to have a limp in a scene. So they don't worry about affecting that aspect that should be natural and just concentrate on the performance.