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WAYYYYYY Better than The Book


But then again, I took a HUGE dump the other day after eating some spicey chilli, and that was WAYYYY better than the book too.

Oh, and anyone who can say they TRULY liked that garbage "novel" is a pretentious douchebag who needs to be honest with him/herself.

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no sir, you are the douchbag.

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I you can be specific about why you like that trash jumbled mess of convoluted nonsensical dialogue.


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it's one of the funniest books ever written. not to mention it's extremely well written,has great character development, realistic and amusing dialogue, smart satire,and originality.



By the way i wouldn't insult millions of people if I were you,but i respect your opinion however pro-nazi or hypocritical it may be.

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“This sentence I’m reading is terrific,” I said. He finished tinkering around with the goddam faucet and started walking around the tent, very slow and all, picking up stuff. He picked up this picture of this girl I used to go around with before I got drafted, Sally Hayes. He musta picked up that goddam picture a thousand times ever since I put it up.

“When I was a kid, I used to walk around all day with crab apples in my cheeks. One in each cheek.”

I threw the book down. It was impossible to read anything with a guy like Orr around you.

“Why?” I finally asked.

“Because they’re better than horse chestnuts,” he answered with a twinge of triumph in his voice.

“Why’d you walk around with crab apples in your cheeks? That’s what I asked,” I said, glaring at him.

He didn’t notice, of course. He was still pacing around the room.

“When I couldn’t get crab apples, I used horse chestnuts. They’re about the same size and actually have a better shape, though the shape don’t matter much. Who belongsa this?” He was holding the hunting knife from the mosquito-net bar by the dead man in our tent. That guy Orr’d pick up anything. I told him it was the dead man’s. So he chucked it backwards, and it landed three inches away from the dead man’s head. If Old Orr had better aim, it probably woulda killed the guy, if he weren’t already dead.

“Why did you walk around with anything in your cheeks?” I was losing my patience now. You always lose your patience when you’re talking with a guy like Orr.

“I didn’t walk around with anything in my cheeks. I walked around with crab apples in my cheeks, and when I couldn’t get crab apples I used horse chestnuts. In my cheeks. One in each cheek.”

“Why?”

“Because I wanted…”

“Jesus Christ! Why did you want—”

“—apple cheeks.”

“—apple cheeks?”

“I wanted apple cheeks,” he replied. He started cutting his toenails. He was doing it over the floor, too, so I’d walk on them with my bare feet later. “Well, not really. I didn’t want apple cheeks. I wanted big cheeks. I didn’t care about the color so much, but I wanted them big.”

“Do you mind cutting your nails over the table, hey?” He kept right on cutting them over the floor. What lousy manners. I mean it.

“Do you want to know why I wanted big cheeks?”

I didn’t answer.

YESSSS! You're right, that IS realistic dialogue. I talk RETRDED $HIT with friends all the time. It IS realistic. Give me a break. There was NOTHING funny about this book, I just kept waiting for the drivel and garbage to break into a normal and, um, what's the word? GOOD, writing. It never did.

The characters were simplistic and over the top, good characters come from making characters ring true, these fools did not.

Pro Nazi? Heller was a man who wrote a book debasing WWII and all war, he was a man who felt that nothing was worth fighting for, not even a war against Nazis, if anyone was pro Nazi, it was Heller. My father fought in WWII, think again before you speak of me as a pro Nazi because I think this book was stupid.

The emporer has no clothes.


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I called you a pro nazi because you are trying to tell people what to think, not because you didn't like the book. I respect people's opinions but not when there trying a douche about it. so by saying heller is a nazi you mean Kurt Vonnegut, Francis ford Coppola, James Jones, Ernest Hemingway, Nevil Shute, Gustav Hasford, Stanley Kubrick, Michael Cimino, Dalton Trumbo, and Stephen Crane are all nazis. I just love you're logic that everyone that makes anti-war art(movies and books specifically) is a nazi. Joseph Heller(1923-1999) was a bombardier during WWII so you think he might've had a reason to hate it. so do your damn research before you slander the man.

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I called him a nazi for $hitting on WWIIwhicvh was a war against who? NAZIS (at least in part).

Many of the people mentioned in that list (which just shows you're trying too hard by the way) were leftist douches, and we all know that leftists are even more intolerant of differing views than Nazis.

I susually don't read a piece of garbage, then get all curious about the retard who wrote it. That piece of $hit wasted months of my life. MONTHS! I would read it 1 chapter at a time while sitting on the toilet. Looking at it made me cringe, I would not read it for weeks and pick it up again, a true chore. I liked reading it on the crapper, as I felt it would be happiest in its natural habitat. I renamed this abortion Catch Number 2.



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why'd you mix the catcher in the rye with catch-22 they have nothing in common

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What the $hit are you talking about?

I pasted this from a website called Catch 22 in the Rye or some crap. So it may be a mixed text.

And you're right, Holden and Yossarian are VERY different, Holden had depth, he was a character in a GOOD piece of literature, simple, but VERY GOOD, written by a serious story teller, Yossarian was an empty lifeless ridiculous moron in a book written by a demented circus monkey.

Hey, by the way, i want to be like you, I want to show off a book I once read. Ready?

You remind me of Patrick Bateman's girlfriend in American Psycho. Remember when he gave her that chocolate covered urinal cake? She ate it and hated it, but it was in a godiva box so she choked it down any way. That's you. This book is that urinal cake. The chocolate and godiva box is its fame and following, and you hated it, but you just have to choke it down because you can't admit it sucks, because if you do, you think you won't be smart.

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I love American Psycho, but it doesn't have $hit on catch-22 or Fear and loathing in Las Vegas. OK sorry that was a horrible comparison. i'll give you that hellers other work was crappy. Looking stupid? you go online and trash a book and its fans calling them "phonys" and you think you're so smart. I could trash a book but that definitely wouldn't make me any smarter. watch.



THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION RIPS OFF ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOOS NEST TOO MUCH.
IT AND IT'S UNATTRACTIVE FANS SUCK MONKEY BALLS.


that didn't make me feel smarter.


So your saying war is good right. killing makes peace that makes perfect sense.

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I don't think I'm that smart, I didn't trash the book to look smart, I trashed it because I want to expose a crap book for what it is.

I like the use of the word phony by the way, wink and nod.

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you didn't think the dialogue was realistic? me and my "droogs" talk about *beep* up $hit all the time

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I talk about stupid things with friends too. But who the hell puts horse chestnuts in their cheeks? Who the hell wants big cheeks? My main beef is that all of these asinine conversations went nowhere. I want these conversations to contribute to the story. The whole damn time I'm thinking somehow his big cheeks will save hime or hurt him, or lead to something. That's what I hate, that the book is a patchwork of dead end conversations.

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Orr is trying to make himself look like a crazy, dumb ,optimist so no one would expect him to crash land in Sweden.

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A bit of a stretch there, I'm sure you're right, but apples in his cheeks? Even talking about this annoys me.

Let's talk The Sun Also Rises which I finished last week, and A River Runs Through It, both excellent. And I HATE Hemingway. I can't really say that anymore. I like being the guy who rages against the popular authors, but after the ream of printed pond scum also known as For Whom The Bell Tolls, EH has redeemed himself in my eyes with A Farewell to Arms (in the middle of it) and The Sun Also Rises.

River was good, a tad bit too technical on fishing, but the last two pages were pure poetry. Some of the best writing I have ever seen.

And while I finished it a year ago, A Confederacy Of Dunces was AWESOME, now THAT was funny.

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I've yet to read A River Runs Though It but I loved The Son Also Rises. It reminded me of Ullyses because they were both ballsy for their time when saying the word bed could get you an obscenity trial.



For Whom the Bell Tolls was crap that was only good for one thing,toilet paper






I haven't read A Confederacy Of Dunces but i've heard good things.

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I have to check out Ulysses but Joyce is not exactly a good author for a person like me to read.

Check out River, but keep in mind, it's a novella, not a proper novel and it runs on without chapter breaks.

At least we can agree on FWTBT the dialogue was ridiculous, A Farewell To Arms is getting that way in the love scenes, I just can't imagine a man saying "darling darling darlin" or a woman saying "I love you, you have such a lovely temperature, I love your temperature so" I don't care what era you're in.


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trompos you should start selling spots on a pyramid scheme, you catch idiots like these too easy.

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If you've never read Joyce, don't start with Ulysses, try "Dubliners" or "Portrait of the artist as a young man".


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LOL i love your American Psycho analogy with why people like certain stuff haha...i'm gonna have to use that sometime :)...

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to trompos who professes to KNOW all and brags of his prodigious dumps
I am a former Marine who served in Korea and the son of a father who served in the Pacific during World War II. Both my father and I did (do)love "Catch 22". I have read this book at least 15 times including once for every year of the Vietnam War. You are one who unknowingly uses KNOW and I suspect NEVER , ALWAYS, and AWESOME with the uncaring ignorance of those truly unaware of their meaning.
I may be wrong and, if so, do apologize.
Let me close with - I absolutely share your appreciation of "Confederation Of Dunces".


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It is now and you are here. All else is merely a belief.

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How could you not appreciate characters like Major Major or Lt. Scheisskopf?




let's go and say a prayer for a boy who couldn't run as fast as I could

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