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WHO STABBED YOSSARIAN?


Did Nately's whore stab Yossarian or was it the whore's kid sister? The figure who stabs Yossarian seems too small to be the whore and too big to be the kid sister.

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It was Nately's whore.

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arent there other options besides nately
's whore and nately's whore's sister? This questiion has been on my mind for a long time. It is possible I need to watch the movie again - the last time I saw it was about a year ago.

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couldn't it have been yossarian's estranged girlfriend?

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have just finished reading the book, and in that it was nately's whore who repeatedly tried to stab him. i haven't seen the movie yet so i don't know if they change it at all. this is the best book i have read in a long long time and would recommend it to anyone!

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thnks shaun - its been a long time since I read it. Though they are two separte entities, it is helpful to know that nately's whore was the apparetent potential stabber in the novel.

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Its Nately's whore in the book and the movie.

Such a good book...

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They said it was Nately's whore so it has to be Nately's whore (Why would they lie?). The person was too tall to be Nately's whore but they said it was so it has to be (because we all like to believe what we're told when it nicely wraps up any complicated situation). Remember what film this is? It doesn't matter who did the job, only that it got done and Nately's whore got the credit. Understanding both these agenda helps you better understand the sick, warped, twisted minds that are presented as the chief controllers of the situation. Welcome to War, young children. Try not to get your naivete caught in the door on your way out.

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Ha, Marko--OWNED. So pretentious and condescending...

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It states clearly within the film that it was nately's whore. i think it was yossarian who said it actually. so yes, it WAS nately's whore.

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Nothing within the absurdist scope of this film that is clearly stated is not later shown to be doubtful. If you want it to be Nately's whore, then it's Nately's whore; it says 'assassino' in an accent that is close to Nately's whore, and it does wrap up the fate of Nately's whore very nicely. It is important to observe that at the film's end, however, everybody is working for M&M, including Nately's whore, and, of course, Yossarian; even the planes bear the M&M logo instead of the American national insignia.
Yossarian's own point of view does not match up to close scrutiny: does he really think Doc Daneeka is aboard the plane with McWatt, when he has just been told otherwise by Daneeka himself, or is he simply caught up in the absurdist moment, and cannot resist mischievously playing his own absurdist part? When Yossarian finally realizes the extent of Snowden's wounds, how does he react? 'There, there... there, there.'
Yossarian is a helpless and hopeless part of the world of M&M Enterprises, and cannot be counted on as an objective judge of events around him. This is why he takes off with the rubber raft, upon being told of Orr's fate, which, by the way, is only reported, and has no objective proof. Perhaps Yossarian's final act, that of desertion, is not really his own choice, but rather, one into which he is pushed, in order to serve as an example to the rest of the squadron. In the end it doesn't really matter who stabbed Yossarian, it's just part of how M&M does business.

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Another bug hint is that she yells "assassino" when she stabs him and when he tells her the news of Nately's death

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And, that appears in "the Simpson's are going to ITALY!"

or, in Pulp fiction: Marsellis Wallace's directives on the search for "Butch."

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First of all, I would like to remind folks to avoid spoilers in the subject lines of these entries. Sometimes I would like to know a little about a movie I have not seen yet, and I do appreciate knowing which entries to skip over.


Anyway, yes, it was Nately's whore, and Mike Nichols says on the DVD commentary that he regretted not making that more clear in the film, because he's met a lot of folks who were not clear on that.

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I thought it was interesting that in the movie they cast Nately's whore as a tall girl with quite masculine features, which would obviously help her disguise herself as a man in a military base. In the book I always imagined her to be gorgeous and slim, but I liked how they worked it into the film.

Plus, you can hear her scream in Italian the second time we see the stabbing.

P.S... OP, please change the subject line, as others have requested!

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I haven't seen the movie, but just finished reading the book. Nately's whore tried to kill Yossarian at various times at the end of the book so I'm now wondering if this has been changed somewhat in the movie? I'd imagine it would be obvious that it was Nately's whore in the movie if it showed her previous attempts to kill him. That last scene in the book where she popped out after they told Yossarian to "jump!" was funny. Great book! Wondering if I should see the movie...I'm usually hesitant to do so after enjoying the original book version...

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ballpoint_banana -
I watched the film the same day I finished the book, and I was really looking forward to seeing Arkin as Yossarian. I know book to movie adaptations are rarely a match for the original novel but I was hoping this film would break the mould. It was done well, and I think everyone involved did a good job, but it's just not as good as the book. It's heavily condensed as these adaptations always are, and there is too much missing. Plus the film doesn't have the scope and drama and range of the book.
It's good, but I was still disappointed. I want to watch it again with my partner but I think I'll be denying her the better experience, which is the book.

If you read and enjoyed the book, by all means get a hold of the film. It is good. But just not quite good enough.

But that's the way adaptations go, right?

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If you still haven't seen the film, I'd suggest you don't. It takes both the humour and anything you may cry over away. It leaves out many fantastic characters and is a giant disappointment.

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Well according to Joseph Heller, it was Nately's Whore, And I think he should know since he wrote the book..... The Character in the movie, seen in the opening scenes best, is bent over with their back to the camera raking the dust and wearing drab clothing, So from the camera's view pretty much unidentifiable. But in the scene at the end of the movie when Yossarian is in the Infirmary talking with Major Danby and Chaplain Tappman, he states unequivocably that it was Nately's Whore that stabbed him.

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Mike Nichols acknowledged that Nately's whore stabbed Yossarian and he said he regretted making some of the facts and sequences in the film as obscure as they were. I didn't really have trouble following the story though.

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SPOILERS!

I think your confusion comes from the book where the whore's kid sister mimics her whenever she flies into a rage.
The whore starts throwing blows at some guy, and in comes the kid sister and starts throwing punches (or pounding) on the guy's back.

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When Yosarian was in the hospital at the end of the movie, he tells Anthony Perkins and Richard Benjamin that he was stabbed by

NATELY'S WHORE!

By the way, to all you guys who argue about it,
read the book and/or watch the movie!


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Much of what happens in both forms of the story is absurd. Cartoonish, to a point.
Like Daffy Duck hiding from the "little man from the draft board." No matter what he does to get away, he is still discovered.

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"....it's good practice."

Dang, what was the name of that character? He only has a cameo in the movie. who paddles from Italy to Sweden.

Major Major (or, Bob Newhart's character), the picture in his office changes on purpose (Roosevelt, Stalin, Mussolini)

Then, there's the whole mission briefing with General Dreedle's wife.


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"....it's good practice."

Dang, what was the name of that character? He only has a cameo in the movie. who paddles from Italy to Sweden.


wasn't that captain orr?

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"When Yosarian was in the hospital at the end of the movie, he tells Anthony Perkins and Richard Benjamin that he was stabbed by

NATELY'S WHORE! "

Exactly

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It was definitely Nately's whore. Yossarian says this near the end of the film. Porsche1974-1, awesome sig, btw.

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It was a nazi who was on his way to kill Co. Cathcart, and that's why Yossarian was getting a medal. Didn't you see the movie??

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There is no argument.

It was Nately's whore.

I have read the book maybe a dozen times. It was her alright.

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I don't think there can be any doubt -

1. The hospital conversation and

2. I watched it with subtitles. It says "Nately's Whore: Assasino!"

I don't think there's any reason, artistic or otherwise, to look elsewhere. It's pretentious to do so.





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It was the Ho, Fo Sho

(translation, "it was the whore, for sure" - thank god for subtitles!)

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Watch the movie again looking specifically for Nately's whore. Bear in mind that this actress is 5'9" tall and is decidedly a full figured Italian woman. Now Alan Arkin in 5'9 1/2" tall, yet the figure who stabs Arkin is quite a bit shorter (more than 1/2 inch shorter)and more to the point, the figure is slim resembling a young man. It is quite inconceivable to me how Nately's Italian whore could ever be mistaken for a slim young man, let alone fit into the baggy fatigues outfit worn by the stabber. I understand that at the end of the novel CATCH 22 Heller states that Nately's whore stabs Yossarian. The exact wording is: "...the private in green fatigues turned suddenly into Nately's whore." Sounds more like a magic act than the writing of a literary genius like Heller. Also there is no serious attempt to capture the stabber even after the second stabbing attempt so we really don't know for sure. This only serves to illustrate that when novels are made into a movie they are put through a grinder and lord only knows what comes out. This is especially true when the director is a scary genius like Mike Nichols. As a final example we have the 'old man in the whorehouse' who engages Nately in a long conversation. In the novel the old man is supposed to be totally Italian. And yet in the movie he is played by an actor who is a French national who is also Jewish and in the movie makes no attempt at all to hide his French accent.

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A previous poster said:

I don't think there can be any doubt -

1. The hospital conversation and

2. I watched it with subtitles. It says "Nately's Whore: Assasino!"

I don't think there's any reason, artistic or otherwise, to look elsewhere. It's pretentious to do so.


And he was correct. All said and done, it's obviously not intended to be ambiguous. Insisting it is is pure jackassery.

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