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Film a disappointment


Having just re-read the book (one of my fav's) I was pleased to see a film version scheduled on TV the other day, to cut a long story short I missed it and felt obliged to buy the DVD. I now consider myself lucky that it was in a sale. Bad acting/screenplay stripped the story of it's frenetic comedy which in the novel is borderline madness/comedy and they completely butchered the actual events in the book. I can safely say it's one of the worst book conversion films i've ever seen.

(Still nowhere near as much of an abomination as Alex Garlands 'The Beach' with Leonardio di CRAPio)

My advice is take a couple of days to read the book and do the story some justice.


Peace Out

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I read the book a decade or more ago and I have forgotten most of it.

I always thought the movie was confusing, but now in retrospect I realize that this is because until now I had only viewed it on TV.

I have taken a vow, not to ever watch an important movie on TV again... The editor, in an attemp to shield us from all the sex and violence usually does to the film what was done to 'Hungry Joe.'

Afet watching on DVD, is is a very easy to understand - and love movie.

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Great Screenplay by Buck Henry. A difficult book to put on the screen. Only because of Buck Henry's rather supernatural and ethereal screenplay does this novel ever come close to being a great movie.

There is another reality...NEVERWHERE

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and they left out Major _______ de Coverley

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I loved the movie, it made me read the book.

Loved the book even more.

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Ditto.


Stevie Ray Vaughan was a STUD.

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loved the book - loved the film - thought some of the shots took real balls to put together. It is a very good film that did not shirk the tough messages the book put across - can you imagine this film being made now . . .

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I agree 100%. The studios would probably not make this movie now. I think the book was very difficult to make into a movie, and Buck Henry and the others involved did a great job. This movie is very underrated, in my opinion. It is one of the very best dark comedies ever made.

My real name is Jeff

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They left out a lot of people.

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You are right its a damn good book and the the movie didn't quite stand up (but i can't think of any off the top of my head that do) but it was a good attempt in my opinion... not too bad a cast (a few celebs in there) bit of a hacking of the plot, but how could you ever capture that book on to film???

Wish we'd seen more of Hungry Joe before McWatt killed him!

(You'r dammmn right about the beach!!!!!!!!!)

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I've got to agree with Kolo on this one. I absolutley love the book, which i consider to be one of the best books of the 20th Century. (Not that i'm claiming to have read everything written in the Century, so no smart-arses on to that one).

So, I found my self in a similar situation. I bought the DVD of the film, and was heartily dissapointed with it. I understand to some extent the essential constrictions in place when adapting a book for the screen (any decent length book would make a film about 20 hours long if filmed 'as-is'). But still, a heck of a lot of stuff was missed out and/or skimmed over in this film.

Whole characters and sub-plots never made the cut, and this level of interwoven relationships was, for me, a major part of the appeal of Joseph Heller's masterpiece. Also, i felt that the film largley failed to convey the books sense of the overriding futility, pointlessness and sheer stupidity involved in war. Sure, the words are spoken and the actions are made, but the FEELING just doesn't come across.

Some of the actors (i'm thinking specifically of the guy that played Doc Daneeka and Jon Voight) really struggled to deliver the dialog with anywhere approaching the skill it needed or deserved.

Just one man's opinion, but in my view, read the book. It's incomparably superior to the film.

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I agree too. The movie just didn't make any sense. I just finished the book last week and watched the movie a couple of days later. It was retched. I love Alan Arkin, but, as Yossarian, he seemed to be giving lines in a third grade play. The guy who kept saying, "Help him! Help him!" over the intercom was horrible as well. I mean the guy had two lines and he couldn't even get that right.
I understand that this book would be very hard to adapt, but this is just too bad for words. It is like they used half the jokes but not their punchlines and half the punchlines but not their jokes. I realize that things need to be changed when being transfered from one medium to another, but where the hell was Dunbar? He seemed to be rather important in the book, but no where in the movie. If you haven't seen this yet, don't bother, read the book instead.

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the person who said 'help him, help him' was in fact Martin Sheen
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McWatt didn't kill Hungry Joe! Huple's cat did, by sleeping on Hungry Joe's face every night. McWatt killed Kid Sampson, who was standing on the dock. Not to mention himself.

And poor Doc Daneeka.


(by the way, anybody else see the Deep Space Nine episode where several Catch 22 character's names are mentioned by Cmdr. Sisko as being characters in the show?)

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i love the book, and i love the movie, too. yes it's missing some parts, and whole characters, but overall i thought it was a good job of turning a complicated book into a watchable movie. but...

WHERE THE HECK WAS CHIEF WHITE HALFOAT????? i watched this movie last night after not having seen it since i was about six, and i was looking forward to the part when halfoat punches moodus in the nose!!! dreedle loved it, so he kept halfoat around just to bust moodus in the nose when ever dreedle felt like it. i laugh 'til i cry every time i read that part, but it wasn't there. *sigh*

He hates these cans! Stay away from the cans!

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hey people,

i havent read the book but the movie was absolutely superb, and it has inspired me to find the novel.

I just wanted to say that generally books are superior than their movie adaptations. I find it difficult to come up with an example where an adaptation has been better than a novel.

If you take Catch 22 as a stand alone movie, it has to be one of the best movies of the 70's, arkin is superb, and i also loved the dude who was making the mission announcements.

The book must be a killer

"Theres no fighting in the War room!!"

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//Spoilers abound//

Corgi: You call Megawhatever out on the "hussarian" issue, then pronounce Chief White Half FOAT?!

Everybody: Q. What happened to Chief White Halfoat?
A. He died of pneumonia, just like he decided to do.

Hungry Joe -- Huple's cat in the book, McWatt in the movie

Major ___de Coverly -- The chow hall gave him eat, Milo gave him a see-through eyepatch, and then he was disappeared somehow.

McWatt -- He was kind of skimmed over in the book as well. Yossarian didn't really have anything against him, because when he would yell to McWatt to turn, climb, speed up, whatever -- he'd do it. When you're part of a hard crew like that, the pilot kind of becomes like a big brother to the rest of the crew in that whatever happens you can kind of still turn to him/her.

Dunbar -- dude from another squadron, I mean Yossarian barely ever met up with him except in the hospital. It's understandably hard to keep up with folks under those circumstances, especially when they're getting disappeared as well.

Chaplain A.T. Tappman -- yearning for you tragically. Yeah, as a movie character we didn't see him much, but COME ON -- Tony Perkins: Norman!!!

Whitcomb -- oh who cares

Ex P.F.C. Wintergreen: Now THERE'S somebody who should've shown up. As far as the book goes, he was kind of the brains of the whole thing, ingratiating himself with officers and influencing policy. Also informing commanders when their prose is too prolix.



"Every boy's best friend is his mother..."

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I think Yossarrian was different in the movie. He seemed a bit more manic than in the book. Of course that all comes from the fact we read his thoughts as much as we read what he's said where as in the movie we're stuck just being able to hear the spoken(or the occasional dream sequence).

Still like the film though, a good adaptation--better than MASH I think was(frankly I think I would have liked the movie MASH less if Altman hadn't directed).

BradLaGrange

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