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This film was about as stupid as the first one was intelligent.


Psychic mutants that worship a bomb? Really?

The film had a few good action sequences, but that's about it. It lacked the metaphor, pathos, and strong characterizations from the first film. This was just a cash-in and not a particularly enjoyable one either. I was pretty surprised to see it rated so high. Between the goofiness, the constant buzzing (which woke my dog up on at least two occasions and drove me to push the mute button on at least four), and the blandness of wandering around through abandoned subways, it just made for an unpleasant film experience.

I also feel like they were a little too comfortable with the apes this time around. In the first film, they gave us a glimpse of what civilization might be like if less advanced beings ran society. In this film, the scene with the apes in the sauna just felt more like something out of a parody.

If this is the highest rated sequel, I wonder if I should even bother with the remaining ones.

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I was eleven the first time I saw it (a month or two after the first one - their World Television Premieres), and I was fascinated with this movie. Gotta love the ape society and the ruins were great.

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And you came back for a second helping of stupid. Who are you calling stupid?

Me, I liked all of these movies except maybe the fourth one, which was the weakest IMO, but I wouldn't call it stupid.0

Anyone can call anything stupid, that's you're opinion. But to admittedly come back to watch a sequel hoping it wouldn't be as stupid as the first movie either makes you even stupider or a liar...

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You're missing what the OP was saying.

He said "this film is as stupid as the first film is intelligent." (Not a direct quote cause I'm unable to check what the quote was on my cellphone...if you're reading this you can look at it exactly) Which is more damning this film by saying as smart as the first film was, this one is dumb.

Now I don't necessarily agree, as I still am rather fond of this one. But it's certainly a more messy film than the first. Stupid is pretty far off the mark...but if you'd just seen it for the first time in 2016 I can imagine it being something of a shock. They definitely don't make studio movies that look or feel anything like this movie anymore. And I mean, fair enough. It is weird and out there in kind of an unpleasant way. I still think it's got a lot of interesting aspects, but I can see it being off putting if you weren't used to it, or just expecting more of the same from the first film.

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If it came out now it would win picture of the year.

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When films like Shape of Water can win best picture, I'm sure youre right!

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Strannger, Isn't that the sad truth, Just like today's music, the movies of today are so poor.

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What is most stupid is the whole "rescue mission" Brent is on. Hello? The first mission with Taylor where fully aware that they would go forward in time and never come back. When did they think "He, those guys we sent 1000 years into the future aren't back yet, we better send a rescue mission"?

And the skipper realising that he is in the future and will never see his family again. Well, no shit, what did he think that they where doing?

Stupid, but this is still the best of all the sequels.

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Taylors ship just disappeared. Earth obviously felt something had gone wrong.
Hence the rescue.
Now we all know that the real reason another ship was sent was because Heston refused to be in the whole film, but that's the in movie explanation.

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I'm afraid it still doesn't make sense. Taylor's ship "disappeared" in the sense that the radio transmission that he was supposed to send to earth never got sent after the ship crashed (the water flooding the craft killed the ship's power supply), but that happened more than 2,000 years after the ship was launched. The 20th century United States would have no possible way of knowing this. Once the ship reached a speed close to that of light, relativistic time dilation meant that centuries pass on earth for every month they spend in space. The ship would quickly reach a point where the 1960s/70s U.S. could have no way at all of knowing what happened to the ship and crew, whether they reached their destination safely, hit something on route and were destroyed, crashed into the planet, exploded because of a malfunctioning reactor, or were wiped out of existence by the hand of God Himself. They just couldn't know. Hence, there is no conceivable rationale for a "rescue mission."

The reality is that this, as well as Cornelius and Zira and Dr. Milo, somehow salvaged Taylor's (or Brent's) ship, and traveled backward in time to 1970s Earth (despite the apes apparently having no better than a late-19th century technology, and shouldn't be able to understand something as complex as an interstellar spacecraft and how to fly and navigate it), are serious plot holes. They are just handwaves to allow the studio to squeeze out sequels to as unexpectedly very successful movie that was clearly meant to be a stand alone film, and was never meant to have sequels at all.

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I'm afraid it still doesn't make sense. Taylor's ship "disappeared" in the sense that the radio transmission that he was supposed to send to earth never got sent after the ship crashed (the water flooding the craft killed the ship's power supply),
No. Taylors ship disappeared in the sense it went through a Hasselein curve according to Brent. Which means they retroactively changed the fact that the ship travelling at near the speed of light would slow time on the ship compared to back on Earth.

It wasn't meant to have sequels but it did leave it open. The sequel we got came about because Heston wouldn't do anything more than a cameo. He also came up with the idea of destroying the Earth to eliminate further sequels, hence the backwards time travel.

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Yup and I can't stand plot holes in movies

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All 5 movies have those flaws...

The first one...okay, you expected to be on another planet....but there are horses and those apes are speaking English.....come on, man!
The second one...you pointed it out.
The third one....the obvious "how did the apes find and fix the ship?" problem
The fourth one...the government KNEW there were talking apes from the future and their history as told by Cornelius indicated ape slavery was the inciting incident. So what do they do? Enslave apes.
The fifth one....those timelines are all over the place.

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Thank you, TJLamb. I agree they all had their flaws. To me, these are the quintessential popcorn movies. They are just so much fun, I forget all my critical thinking skills and have a little fun.

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