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Season 1 only has TWO really really good episodes


Most of these are clunkers and feel stale because the show was new and everyone was settling into what they were to be. The writers as well as the cast ....and the crew too.
Understandable.
The ONE episode that was funny and well done was the "Better Luck Next Time Club" . (Although I loathed Shelley Berman -- he makes my flesh crawl). The set up was good (Mary and Rhoda join a divorced persons club to get a discounted Paris trip). I LAUGH OUT LOUD when Rhoda makes the confession about her husband "Stefano...in the space program".
I'm a big fan of the show but I dislike too many Season 1 episodes......... Howard Arnell......the short guy Mary dated.....Murrays ugly Russian winter hat.........the look of the WJM office.......Ted Baxter is especially flat......
I also liked the FIRST episode ("Now get outta my apartment") and the Rhoda/Bess/Phyllis introductions.
The "Better Luck Next Time Club" also had the feeling of some (much better) future episodes (i.e. Mary & Rhoda out somewhere... uncomfortable situation,,,etc.

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I agree. Season 1 wasn't all that great, especially compared to the rest of the series.

I do like the episode with Mary's old 'friend' from camp. I think her name was Twinks and she drove everyone crazy. She made Mary her Maid Of Honor then dismissed her for another girl. Meanwhile, Rhoda gets stuck being a bridesmaid.

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1. What is the second episode you really liked?

2. I agree that season # 1 on the whole is weak compared to the others.

3. I think more than two episodes were good. For example, I think the episode with Rhoda's mother (Support Your Local Mother) is outstanding. And there were several others that I found quite good.

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Opps!
I liked the "Twinks" episode! (short for "Tiddly Winks" was a hilarious Rhoda line!)
And I cannot remember the first Ida episode now?? Oh! That's the one when Mary is on the phone with Rhoda with Ida in the apartment and before she hangs up she SLIPS and goes "Ok, bye Rhoda".....that was LAUGH OUT LOUD funny! OK-
@ Snoozealarm: I originally meant - I liked the Premeire First Episode "Love is All Around" and the "Better Luck" episode (2 altogether.)
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I only like 4 ! LOL! No- 6: I liked the one where Phyllis gets a job in Mary's office and the one where Mary watches Bess for a day and has that weird outdoor montage.
I would like to EDIT OUT the episode with John Shuck . OMG is that one awful. 😱


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>>> I liked the one where Phyllis gets a job in Mary's office and the one where Mary watches Bess for a day and has that weird outdoor montage.

Those were precisely the episodes I had in mind when I said I like other season 1 episodes.

That outdoor Bess montage was indeed weird. But I love it! It's actually one of my favorite scenes from the whole series! The way Bess smiles when she catches Mary is so darling!

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I know what the OP means, but I do love Season 1 --- as much for being a period piece.


It's hard for people to remember what American TV was like at the time (even for people who were alive and conscious then) in the hugely formulaic post-PETTICOAT JUNCTION era.


And I've known a lot of people who today look at the first season of "MTM" where the jokes are broader and don't always quite work and the acting is a bit too "loud" and stagey, and they wonder why this show was so well-regarded, then and now --- often to the point that they can't make it to later seasons.


I guess that's understandable. Today, it's probably hard to believe (especially for younger viewers) that the very-very early episodes of "MTM" about Mary and Rhoda joining a divorce club and its "strained" humor was actually much looser and freer and more amusing than what other sitcoms of the day had to offer. (And the Arnel brothers were indeed a low point).


But it's true. It was so fresh compared to whatever else was on the tube back then.


Although the first year of the show may be only sporadically humorous (by latter standards), Season 1 makes up for it in that it did one of the best jobs of capturing that weird melancholy of the era --- that mood which kind of defined the '70s, and was even more intense at the very start of the decade: this sort of lost, disillusioned, bittersweet, post-60s flavor which made everybody immediately seem as if they had a "past" from the moment they appeared on screen...


For anybody looking to see what it actually felt like living in the world at that particular moment in time -- at the cusp of the '60s and '70s -- it's captured vividly by such period montage sequences as the urban street scenes in MIDNIGHT COWBOY (1969) or the snow angels/ice skating sequence in LOVE STORY (1970) or the "MTM" show opening theme design from Season 1, even Mary and little Bess going shopping in a Minneapolis mall, etc... (And, of course, the entire film of HAROLD & MAUDE).


The world actually felt that way at the time. It's not just a Hollywood construct.


To me, Season 1 of "MTM" is kind of a portal to 1970. I regarded it as such even as early as the late-70s (when the show was first in syndication) and it still hits me the same way whenever I see very early installments--- the look of the show and the forlorn music score... No, the comedy isn't quite as hilarious by the slick standards of sitcoms from more recent decades (or even compared to later episodes of the same show) but I still find the mood almost heart-breakingly captivating. It is so evocative of the era... and yet it's just a sitcom.


Anyway, as the seasons rolled on, the comedy got sharper (by the standards of the day) even though that '70s somberness was gradually mitigated as it lessened in real life.


So it's a time capsule of sorts... One would think every show and movie filmed in a particular era would be, but that just isn't true. Clothes and cars from a period don't sell or convey the past to the present --- something has to be good, or at least right-minded, in order for the zeitgeist of the era in question to stick to celluloid. And "MTM" was one of those shows that did so.


It was also one of the rare series then to proceed in "real time" which gave the show a life, an energy, that most didn't have, even though it didn't delve into the then-shocking, in-your-face politics that ALL IN THE FAMILY soon would.


Folks who weren't around then probably aren't able to grasp how the broad, even groan-inducing comedy directed at, and derived from, Ted Baxter during Season 1 -- which predominantly focused on his dumbness and inability to pronounce basic words -- could possibly ever have been once seen as "funny".


In fact, it was, however briefly, fall-off-the-couch funny. TV in the 1960s had fervently ignored the social changes of that decade (including the questioning of establishment authority) so seeing a revered image like the silver-haired newsreader held up as a buffoon was actually considered edgy, even though that context doesn't really "read" today. (That's not revisionism, I swear. And at least the writers realized they would soon have to write to Ted's narcissism and density in a more layered, sophisticated fashion, and they quickly did so.)


That says more about where the media culture was circa 1969 or 1970 than it does THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW.


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For all of the above reasons, Mary Richards became metaphorical for the early-to-mid 1970s, almost by accident: TV changed more between 1970 and 1975 than any other five year period in its history, in terms of content, and the television sitcom genre had literally become an agent for social change. And Mary Richards likewise grew during the seven years of the series from the quivery, vulnerable, lanky girl with the long, raven hair who let herself be gently bullied into giving up her family holiday visit at Christmas to cover for her co-workers in that 1970 episode (so wistfully forlorn for reasons hard to explain, except that it, too, captures the poignant atmoshere of the time precisely) into the almost cocky, seasoned professional who didn't pause to deliver a zinger to Ted or SueAnn when circumstances demanded it, and could grab and kiss her latest boyfriend in a public restaurant and then fluff her hair tauntingly at her voyeuristic co-workers as she sauntered out the front door.


Mary had grown up with us, or at least with the television medium, during its most significant period of progression.


And then there's the actress herself, Mary Tyler Moore, whose own personal melancholia seemed to parallel that of the earlier part of that decade. Even with the same writers and co-stars, the show would never have felt the same without Moore and her intrinsic sense of haunted, detached nostalgia wrapped in winter's chill.


So, yeah, the humor wasn't quite as pointed in Season 1 as it would later be. But in 1970, it sure seemed like it.



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"TV changed more between 1970 and 1975 than any other five year period in its history"

Prom do you think the current television era is a 'golden age'?

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It's so hard to compare, the industry is so different now. Today, even the B-material has a polish and a slickness and a sophistication it never used to.

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TV today more or less, feel like movies (mainly the dramas and fantasy shows, made for cable shows )
In the old days movies were movies and TV shows were TV shows- and they were worlds apart!

But yes- Season 1 was just an embryo.


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TV today more or less, feel like movies (mainly the dramas and fantasy shows, made for cable shows )
In the old days movies were movies and TV shows were TV shows- and they were worlds apart!


Yes, the production values in the digital age are so close to that of movies that it's harder to separate them today. And there is a clever slickness to everything, yet I find it hard to have much nostalgia for very much today. It's all polished nowadays, but something's missing.

Although it's never fair to compare all of the present to the best of yesteryear, because that isn't fair nor realistic, but it tends to happen.


But yes- Season 1 was just an embryo.

Although Season 1 of MTM had that forlorn, wistful mood of the era in spades.


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I think there are a lot more than two good episodes in season 1.

My favorites are:

Love Is All Around
Today I am a Ma'am
Bess, You Is My Daughter Now
Support Your Local Mother (Emmy for Best Comedy Writing of 1970-1971 season)
The Snow Must Go On
Assistant Wanted Female
Anchorman Overboard
Christmas and the Hard Luck Kid II


I'm not much of a fan of "Divorce Isn't Everything," mainly because Shelley Berman's character is so irritating, and I don't care for "A Friend in Deed" for the same reason, i.e. "Twinks."

Different strokes for different folks.

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ElRaisuli, I loved all the episodes you listed and would add "Just a Lunch" guest starring Monte Markham and "Second Story Story" guest starring Bob Dishy.

I winced to read a second commenter express a dislike for Shelley Berman in "Divorce Isn't Everything." Yeah, okay, that creepy dentist wasn't his best role, but the man is a genuine talent and his comedy LPs from the late 1950s/early '60s are worth listening to.

Pat Finley, who played Sparkie in "Divorce Isn't Everything" and then played Twinks was very talented. Watching her as Bob Hartley's sister on THE BOB NEWHART SHOW one would never guess she's the same actress.

PS: Re the faux-academic post here, why is there this felt need to distance MTM and 1970's sitcoms from what came before it in the 1960s? They go hand in glove. M*A*S*H grew out of HOGAN'S HEROES, for example, carrying over a lot of the same talent. Me, I love the supposedly "unsophisticated" comedy of THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES and I DREAM OF JEANNIE as much as I do THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW, ALL IN THE FAMILY, et al. And I love the first season of MTM just as it is without having to qualify it as embryonic or finding its way. This series landed steady on its feet.

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PS: Re the faux-academic post here, why is there this felt need to distance MTM and 1970's sitcoms from what came before it in the 1960s? They go hand in glove. M*A*S*H grew out of HOGAN'S HEROES, for example, carrying over a lot of the same talent. Me, I love the supposedly "unsophisticated" comedy of THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES and I DREAM OF JEANNIE as much as I do THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW, ALL IN THE FAMILY, et al. And I love the first season of MTM just as it is without having to qualify it as embryonic or finding its way. This series landed steady on its feet.


Errrmmm... by "faux academic post" I'm guessing you were referring to mine.

It is worth discussing, though, how the TV sitcom genre of the early-'70s became an agent of social change, as indeed it did, and MTM and AITF were part of that. Sitcoms in the '60s were not (although there's nothing wrong with our enjoying them, too) because the industry wouldn't yet permit it.

That context doesn't invalidate the fun of BEVERLY HILLBILLIES, et al.


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Oh, I didn't say that I disliked Shelley Berman or Pat Finely. I disliked the characters they played on MTM. I like Pat Caroll, too, but it's hard not to dislike the character she played on MTM. I think the problem is that these characters don't really have any redeeming value, as compared to say, Eric Braden's "Karl Heller," who at least had a sardonic sense of humor and taught Mary something.

I remember hearing some of Berman's records a long time ago. Unfortunately, he seems to have felt that Bob Newhart ripped-off his one-sided "telephone" routine. Newhart insists that the concept goes as far back as the 1910's. I wonder if Berman felt the same way about Lily Tomlin. Her telephone operator skits used essentially the same concept.


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I winced to read a second commenter express a dislike for Shelley Berman in "Divorce Isn't Everything." Yeah, okay, that creepy dentist wasn't his best role, but the man is a genuine talent and his comedy LPs from the late 1950s/early '60s are worth listening to.
The OP didn't seem to like a few ("creepy") men in her thread. Seems like a young poster

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