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Maybe this was considered a classic back in 1970...


but it's now a long, pointless, self-indulgent mess. There's virtually no plot and it just has a bunch of actors overacting to an embarrassing degree. Yes, the imagery is beautiful but I need more than pretty pictures to keep me interested. Pauline Kael wrote a review back in 1970 tearing this movies to pieces and she was right. The only good thing is that Fellini takes a very casual and non-judgmental view to gay guys.

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"Pauline Kael was an idiot who didn't understand anything about cinema - and so are you."

My my such an "intelligent" response. So Pauline Kael who won numerous awards throughout her career AND was considered a genius by other film critics was an idiot? Uh huh (HEAVY sarcasm) I'll also have u know I've read numerous books on film criticism and have reviews on over 3,000 films--so I'm hardly an idiot. You're just one of those zombies who think ANYTHING Fellini did was masterpiece but u know what? You're WRONG!

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First of all it's PAULine not MAULine you idiot. And spare me that the P and M keys are close together. They aren't---but you're probably not bright enough to notice that.

Let's see---all film criticism is "wasted paper", Pauline Kael is an idiot and you're right above everybody else. Uh huh. You keep living in your own little fantasy land. It's really sad that you're ALWAYS right and everybody else is always wrong.

And Fellini was VASTLY overrated by idiots like you.

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Well u told me huh? (Sarcasm).

A typo is understandable but the M is nowhere near the P on a keyboard. Who's the idiot now?

And all my criticisms are "wasted paper"? These aren't on paper--they're online! Moron.

Overrated critic huh? You just proved my point. You're discussing a woman who all over film critics regarded as a genius...but since she doesn't agree with your pathetic ramblings she's automtaically overrated. Have you ever even READ any of her reviews? Probably not.

Also you're VERY childish by resorting to name calling. Yes--I'm doing it too but I realize the only way to get through to u is to lower myself to your level. Intelligent conversation doesn't work for u.

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More typos and now you've added nonexistent sentence structure! It's pointless to even argue with an egotistical idiot like you. Rant and rave all u want...I have better things to do with my time than read your pathetic insults.

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Its rather amusing to see you throwing insults at each other yet wasting the bytes of IMDb database results in useful posts being deleted for spams like yours. Do not write garbage.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

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All good points--but what if the viewer isn't aware of the works Fellini is showing us? I don't disagree that some of the imagery is incredible but the film is constantly wandering, even within episodes, onto various other tangents. I was constantly getting frustrated by Fellini giving us beautiful images and ideas--but then abandoning them completely to go on to something else. Also I DO applaud Fellini for showing openly gay men going at it and not having them punished and killed for it. That was revolutionary for 1969!

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Aren't you asking a lot of the audience? As you said the novel exists only in fragments AND is an ancient work. Chances are a LARGE portion of the audience aren't even aware of it! Fellini was obviously no idiot--I think he could have made things clearer for the audience. Don't getme wrong--I don't always need a coherent storyline to draw me into a movie but with Fellini it's bewildering to think WHAT'S exactly going on. I had the same problem with David Lynch but he provides clues (sometimes) and I had no problem figuring out what he was getting at. Fellini just seems to be interested in images and little else.

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I disagree and I'm also disturbed that you think all film viewers should have to read all these books or ancient history just to understand a film. A film should be able to stand on its own merits. You shouldn't have to read a few volumes to understand it. If the filmmaker can't make the viewer understand what's going on it's HIS fault NOT the fault of the viewer. And please don't tell me to stick to mainstream entertainment. If you've read my reviews you'll realize that I almost never review mainstream films.

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I DO have reviews of European films but they're virtually impossible to see here in the US. Also because a film is European doesn't automatically make it a great film. I did sit through crap like "Salo" and almost threw up! What I can't figure out is the director (Pasolini) made some very good films like "The Demacaron" (excuse the spelling--it's probably off) and the dream-like "Arabian Nights"....and then he did "SALO"???? I got the message of the film but it was so revoltingly graphic that (for me) it cancelled out any message. BTW--I'm more into horror films than anything else--but u probably think they're beneath u. You are an intelligent man but a little bit snobbish and judgmental when it comes to movies.

BTW--a remake of "Satyricon" would be interesting...but who would do it? I'm really surprised the original got by with an R!

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I agree with you on "Salo" but some people think it's a masterpiece. As for Ozon--I've seen four of his films. "Criminal Lovers" "Swimming Pool" and "8 Women" were incredible. Beautfully acted and directed. However "5x2" kind of left me cold. I didn't see the real point behind it. I missed "A Time to Leave" but I do want to see it. Ozon is very talented and handsome man. BTW you should know one of the most beautiful romantic films I ever saw WAS a French film--"Umbrellas of Cherbourg". Just to let u know I DON'T need nudity and humping to find a movie sexually exciting. "Y tu mama tambien" got me excited when the two guys kissed at the end--and I didn't find either even remotely attractive! I don't belong to Netflix but I'm leaning towards it. BTW--do you think I would like Fellini's "8 1/2" or "La Dolce Vita"? I DID like "Juliet of the Spirits" and another b&w film he did back in the 1950s or 60s with three young men coming of age in a small city. So I DO like some of his films.

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See? I'm not a total idiot. LOL I just happen to like good AND bad movies. I believe it was Pauline Kael who said you can't know what agood movie is unless you have bad movies to judge them by. "See the Sea" and "Under the Sand" played here VERY briefly (we're talking one week) years ago so I never got to see them. Thanks for the clip. That's definetely Ozon:)

Fassbinder--I saw Querelle YEARS ago--we're talking early 1980s. I saw it when I was tired so I dozed off. From what I remember it was fascinating and I thought Brad Davis was excellent in his role. I was also shocked at how explicit it was for an R rated film (not that I was complaining:)). I don't think I saw anymore of his films but I've seen so many it's hard to be certain. Ever see any Ingmar Bergman films? I did see and like "Seventh Seal", "Virgin Spring" and the incredibly beautiful "Smiles of a Summer Night". Couldn't stand "Wild Strawberries". I think that FOR ITS TIME it was brilliant but that it's aged.

I've seen almost all of Almodovar's films. "Live Flesh" has got to be my favorite with "All About My Mother", "High Heels" and "Kika" coming in close. "Law of Desire" was good too. The only ones I can't stand are "Flower of My Secret" and "Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!" The first one was dull and the second one was so misogynistic I almost stormed out of the theatre.

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Some movies stay with me long after but I write most of my reviews right after I've seen the movie. And I've never seen close to 15 films in one week. If I'm lucky maybe 4. Jean Genet--I tried to read a book of his (something like "Men of Roses") but found it boring and, like u, repetitive. Did u see "Poison"? The last segment in that was right out of Genet. "Poison" is an interesting film. VERY well done by Todd Haynes but somewhat unpleasant to watch. It got an NC-17 originally from the MPAA based on tone alone!
I met Gus Van Sant at a film festival. He introduced a brand new print of "Mala Noche" which I thought was pretty good. I don't care for low budget DV films. I almost got sick watching "The Blair Witch Project" and "Irreversible" gave me a headache. "Irreversible"--THAT'S a horror film!
Ever seen John Waters is he too much for u?

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I feel like I'm stuck in this line http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFo5Ky8YE8c

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LOL Thank you! I love that movie AND that scene.

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Kindergarden!!!

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It's just over your head.

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