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Was 1960s England really so gloomy and depressing?


Was this movie an accurate picture of 1960s England in general? It doesn't look too optimistic.

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In a word no. I grew up in Yorkshire in the 60’s and it was great! Mind you it’s a big county and I lived in the countryside, and I’m sure it could be a bit grim in the south Yorkshire industrialized areas.

What is realistic in this film is the school football section. We had a sports master exactly like the one portrayed by Brian Glover. There was no opting out in those days.

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Gloomy and depressing?
where exactly in the movie are you referring to?

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Maybe "gloomy" was not the most appropriate word to describe the overall atmosphere of the movie, but depressing - yes, I think so. Just look at Billy's life. Is it joyful? Look at other kids - do they ever look happy? Look at the school principal and teachers. I like the idea of strict, demanding teachers, but they seem to treat those kids like sh... (the only exception being Mr Farthing played by Colin Welland). The principal going mad because some kid coughs at the school assembly. The PE teacher acting like crazy. The general impression is almost everyone hates each other - Billy's friends hate him, Billy's brother (actually a half brother if I remember correctly) hates him, most of the teachers hate their students.

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Yeah, it's pretty accurate.

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For the working classes, yes. It might seem odd now, but many people were still illiterate in those days, transport was difficult and wages were not high enough to have much fun.

In the mining areas depicted in this film, it was very common for people to have to stop work early owing to various illnesses caught from working underground, surrounded by rats and explosions. One part of this film that has stayed with me most is when Billy reacts with horror to the idea of working down the pit. I think of it whenever anyone says that the pits of England should be reopened to provide jobs.

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Not in general, no, but for most mining towns, yes. Don't forget that Billy Elliot was set a few years later in another mining town, and it wasn't much better. Billy also had to share a bog with other houses, something which I don't think Kes' Billy had to do.

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Yes it was - I am now 60 and was brought up in the South Yorkshire coal mining area. The portrait of life as shown in Kes in a bleak pit town is 100% accurate.
I got out late teens and have only ever gone back for marriages and funerals. The Barnsley area has changed beyond recognition now with a lot of those filthy soot ridden depressing back to back terraces demolished. New housing estates have replaced them.
Since the mines (pits as we called them) have gone so has the dirt and grime and new roads and new businesses have helped to give South Yorkshire a more up to date image.
Ken Loach's finest film in my humble opinion..

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It's just because it's cold and rainy.

~ I'm a 21st century man and I don't wanna be here.

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It could be - not many people had no central heating and the winters (pre warming) were a lot worse.

But it could be colourful too as the glam rock era was just starting although an oil crisis (when isn't there one) was just around the corner.

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Do you really think one area of England showcases the whole country?

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