Interesting movie theologically.


If you're an athiest you'd have no problem with this film, but it does create problems for believers.

If a being existed which was exactly like God, could kill anyone it wanted to, could kill everyone if it wanted to, wouldn't you fight it with everything you had, and even when you couldn't, would you submit to it? Or would you be like Forbin, and say "Never"?

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Interesting post.

I was about to say that it doesn't create any problems for me as a believer as Colossus can only destroy, not create. But if I recall correctly, Colossus and Guardian were going to collaborate in creating a new computer (or do I have this mixed up with another film?). Anyway, if Colossus & Guardian can *create* new intelligences, then well, it would suggest that man can create a God. Whew.

I guess we're getting into "Terminator" territory. Would I join the resistance and try to kill the machines? Yep!

On a side note: I would guess that if you had queried the filmmakers and computer scientists of the day (1970), they would have predicted that we would have artificial intelligence by now. Funny that we haven't really made real progress there. As a matter of fact, even with our powerful personal computers, which would have made mincemeat out of the most powerful mainframe circa 1970, we are just now able to make self driving cars (there was a competition last year by DARPA where self driving cars participated in a race in the desert - pretty cool). However, even they have to be given specific GPS waypoints and directions.

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I recall that in its speech at the end, Colossus (with Guardian: "We are one" -- implications of the Trinity?) says that it would bring mankind into the millenium, ie, a dawning of a new age of peace, tranquility, freedom from disease and various man-made ills. It clearly had a theological implication, though quite a twist from the Christian understanding of biblical prophecy. And Forbin's response "Never!" seems to be the response of independent mankind preferring freedom even over an outwardly favorable environment. I wonder what the writers were really trying to get across?

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It is ALWAYS interesting when "Science fact" catches up with "science fiction".

In the "old days", computers were still, big, expensive (VERY), complicated and rare--only large universities, corporations and the military had them very often. Until at least the mid 1970's and probably later--the average person rarely saw a computer themselves.

So, during that time, computers were a "gee whiz" item, and as such, often portrayed with "special abilities" in literature and film. More often than not, the computers we all "remember",are in films where they are in control of some important entity, be it a spaceship (2001, Star trek), Bio-Lab(andromeda strain), or military complex, (demon seed), Terminator,Coloussus). In this regard--they often are presented as a "threat" in some way, either trying to outdo their superiors(us), or even destroying something(people or cities).

However..now that computers are in EVERY home and automobile, and LITERALLY run this planet...the "gee whiz" factor is gone. Mankind lives with computers in nearly every aspect of our lives, and they are so common and inexpensive that no one thinks of them as "HAL", "Skynet" or "Coloussus" much anymore. And, while it IS true that the AI abilities of computers have NOT been developed as predicted...the fact that instead, thay have become an "everyday item" in our lives, makes for a much BETTER outcome, with literally many, many millions of computers in the country, in so many devices we own, along with laptop and desktop computers MUCH more powerful than those complicated, expensive mainframes of the "old days",instead of a few "all powerful" computers, controlling the cities or world--with the potential dangers.

The same applies to the Laser.

In the early 1960's, as the laser was being developed, not many uses were available at the time. One of the most "likely" uses for them was as a powerful drill, or as a weapon, to destroy missiles, shoot down aircraft or satelites, or even against personnel in a combat situation. A few posible medical uses were envisioned, such as eye surgery..but in general the Laser was considered a "solution in ned of a problem". So it quickly evolved in fiction as a "gee-whiz" device of immense power and destructiveness, most often as a weapon.

But now, science "fact" has again caught up with "science fiction", and the laser, like the computer is an everyday item for most of us, also in nearly every home ,car, business, hospital and factory. There are so many uses today for the Laser that it boggles the mind, and no doubt those who created it are in awe. But, like the computer, it has lost its "gee whiz" factor, and become an everyday item so useful, inexpensive, and common that children play with them for fun.

However..the ONE area in which the laser has NOT fulfilled its early "expectations", either in fiction or from the early predictions , is in its use as a weapon. While research is ongoing in the research of laser weapons, they have NOT really developed in the way the "peaceful" uses for lasers have, to the point that the very communications fabric of this nation(fiber optic communications) depends on them.

Now that computers and Lasers are everyday items and not just "science fiction", it seems comical to see the way they were portrayed in those old films and novels. At the time though....it seemed at least remotely possible, since few people ever saw either the lser or computer, but now... we can all laugh , while we sit at our computers, and print our pages or store our data with lasers!!

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Hallo,

the biblical references in Colossus' speeches are obvious. Compare this examples to speeches of Jesus:

Colosus: "To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple."

Matthew 11,30: "Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

Another example:

Colossus: "This is the voice of World Control. I bring you peace. It may be the Peace of Plenty and Content or the Peace of Unvaried Death."

John 14,27: "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid."

Colossus perhaps sees himself as the new messiah of a modern world.

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Alex

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"or the Peace of Unvaried Death."

Actually: unburied death - unburied nuke victims :)

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