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My brother doesn't think I should watch this anymore...


My brother: "Don't you think it's weird that you're obsessed with 'if....'? It's almost fifty years old and it was banned."

Me: "... No it wasn't. Are you sure you're not thinking of 'A Clockwork Orange?'"

My brother: "Well, it was... decried."

Me: "... What?"

My brother: "It was in that making-of documentary you watched."

Me: "I know it was controversial. Do you mean critically panned?"

My brother: "Well... Uh... some British official said it should be banned."

Me: "So, because he said that, I shouldn't have an interest in the film or bring it up in conversation at all?"

My brother: "You don't get the point, do you?"

Me: "No, I guess I don't."


What we see and what we seem are but a dream. A dream within a dream.

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Don't feel bad. I didn't get his point either.


"I'm not reckless . . . I'm skillful!"

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Your brother sounds like a twat.

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There might be a greater concern nowadays with the fear of school shootings, especially in America -- but then, American pop culture is saturated with so much gunplay that the climax of If..., with its single explicitly-depicted murder of an instructor, must seem as quaint as Are You Being Served?

It's my understanding that A Clockwork Orange is still banned in the UK because Kubrick didn't want to make certain cuts in it in order to get a wider release. I did a quick search on Yahoo answers, and here is what they said on the subject of A Clockwork Orange:


Only the film was banned. The book to the extent of my knowledge was never banned.


Responses and controversy

The film was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Picture (it lost to The French Connection) and reinvigorated sales for recordings of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony. It also caused considerable controversy (see below) and was withdrawn from release in the UK. By the time of its re-release in the year 2000, it had already gained a reputation as a cult classic. It was recently placed at number 21 on AFI's 100 Years... 100 Thrills and number 46 on AFI's 100 Years... 100 Movies, though in the second listing it ranked in 70th place. Alex De Large was placed at number 12 in the villain section of the AFI's 100 Years... 100 Heroes and Villains list.


United States censorship

The film was rated X on its original release in the United States. Later, Kubrick voluntarily replaced roughly 30 seconds of footage from two scenes with less bawdy action for a 1973 re-release, rated R. It is a common myth that only the R-rated version can be seen nowadays, but in fact the opposite is true: all DVDs present the original X-rated form, and only some of the early 80s VHS editions are in the R-rated form.[7]

The film was rated C (for "condemned") by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' Office for Film and Broadcasting because of its explicit sexual and violent content; such a rating conceptually forbade Catholics from seeing the film. The "condemned" rating was abolished in 1982, and since then films deemed by the conference to have unacceptable levels of sex and/or violence have been rated O, meaning "morally offensive".


British withdrawal

In the United Kingdom, the sexual violence in the film was considered extreme. Furthermore, it was claimed that the film had inspired copycat behaviour. In March 1972, a prosecutor at a trial of a 14-year-old boy accused of the manslaughter of one of his classmates referred to A Clockwork Orange, telling the judge that the case had a macabre relevance to the film.[8]

The attacker, a boy age 16 from Bletchley, pleaded guilty after telling police that his friends had told him of the film "and the beating up of an old boy like this one"; defence counsel told the trial "the link between this crime and sensational literature, particularly A Clockwork Orange, is established beyond reasonable doubt".[9] The press also blamed the influence of the film for a rape in which the attackers sang "Singin' in the Rain". Kubrick subsequently requested that Warner Brothers withdraw the film from UK distribution.

At the time, it was widely believed that the copycat attacks were what led Kubrick to withdraw the film from distribution in the United Kingdom. However, in a television documentary made after Kubrick's death, his widow Christiane confirmed rumours that Kubrick had withdrawn A Clockwork Orange on police advice after threats were made against Kubrick and his family (the source of the threats was not discussed). That Warner Bros. acceded to Kubrick's request to withdraw the film is an indication of the remarkable relationship Kubrick had with the studio, particularly the executive Terry Semel.

The ban was vigorously pursued during Kubrick's lifetime. One art house cinema that defied the ban in 1993, and was sued and lost, was the Scala cinema at Kings Cross, London, on the same premises as the present-day Scala nightclub. Unable to meet the cost of the defence, the cinema club was forced into receivership. [10]

Whatever the reason for the film's withdrawal, it could not easily be seen in the United Kingdom for some 27 years. The first VHS and DVD releases followed shortly after Kubrick's death. It was also shown in many UK cinemas.

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As an old Scala customer I never forgave Kubrick for that. I also.bought a bootleg video of the film.

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