St. Francis was also a very small school, so for some of the "non-academic" classes (from the original film, swimming, sewing, art, etc.) Marvel Ann and Mary could easily be in the same class. The sense I got from Marvel Ann "being with the nuns" since she was very young was that she was also an orphan but from a much younger age, and her guardians simply plopped her in parochial boarding schools immediately. Mary, who was older when her parents died, didn't enter "the system" until her uncle plopped her there at the beginning of her high school years.
Where Angels Go... was to be a direct sequel, occurring two years later in real time, but Mills opted not to return (she and Russell didn't get along), so the part was rewritten slightly as a new but very similar character played by Stevens. Here's a scathingly brilliant idea: just defocus your eyes and pretend she has an English accent.
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jdmartin61
17 years ago
But balkaster, remember: Marvel-Ann's father was Mary's Uncle George (Question: Had Mary's own parents died only a few years before the story and that's why Mary had rather suddenly fallen under her uncle's guadianship?). Mary also seemed to be hip to her Uncle George's philandering ways which suggests that she spent had spent more personal time with him than Marvel-Ann ever had.
I do agree with all the posters here about Sister George. Since I have watched these films my whole life (having seen each one in the cinema when they were new!) I always rather thought that Sr. George was supposed to be the former Mary Clancy (cf "Uncle George") so even I had a bit of difficulty reconciling the short two-year period. Mary would have needed at least that long to make her religious profession as a nun and certainly a longer period would have had to pass to account for her college years.
I believe that since another actor played Sr. George, and since there was no indisputably stated connection between Sr. G. and Mary from the earlier film, the screenwriter used that to re-tailor the character of Sr. George a bit.
John Martin, 46
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bookwormdreamer
16 years ago
Sister Georege is about 10-12 years older then the junior/senior students so I think the scrpit was just rewritten with a completely different character in mind but one that would clash with the Rev.Mother just as Mary Clancy did.
I tend to think of the Susan St.James character Rosabel as being more like Mary and was clever and the leader while Marvel Ann was more like Rachel a follower would liked being friends wth the cooler girl
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MrPie7
16 years ago
Yes and Patti became the "new" Marvel Ann. The pest who was always the butt of the joke.
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bookwormdreamer
16 years ago
Patty was super annoying but I have to say she did her job well!
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MrPie7
16 years ago
Yup, her job was to be an obnoxious brat. Judging by yr name r u a DS fan?
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bookwormdreamer
16 years ago
Oh yes big DS fan! -sorry for the late response.
Yes Patty was a thankless but role but needed I think.
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MrPie7
16 years ago
Just curious. Did you like "The Trouble with Angels" too? It seems like I am one of the few who likes both films. Most people seem to like one and not the other. Just like most people who liked "Bewitched" hated "I Dream of Jeannie". And vise versa. Put me in the Liz Montgomery group. On DS, didja ever notice Dr. Julia had a habit of grabbing her blouse and gasping for air? Used to drive me nuts!
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bookwormdreamer
16 years ago
Julia did have alot of mannerisms I agree and it could be quite annoying.
I prefer Bewitched over I Dream of Jeannie which seems pretty annoying to me now.
For the Angels movies I do really like both.In The Trouble With Angles it's not so much of a comedy as a dramedy to me it seems that way.The argument many will make is that this movie is silly while the Hayley Mills had more depth.I think some prefer Where Angles Go Trouble Follows because it's much more of a comedy and more fun.I like both But I watch this one more often.I have to be in the mood for The Hayley Mills movie it chokes me up a little.
I think I prefer Russell in this one she lightens up a bit more but she's excellent in both.
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MrPie7
16 years ago
I agree.It's hard to match Roz's dry sarcasm. Sister George: "I know our bishop would approve. He's the real reason we're here" Mother: "Yes. BLESS him!"
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bookwormdreamer
16 years ago
I agree Roz had that special touch the dry wit she was making cracks all though the movie- just loved it!I also love Mary Wicks she had that dry wit as well.It's interesting to watch how similar the two women are with their wit but Roz played the more tradtional role with a dash of spicke while mary was quirky off beat one.
One line I always like is whe they are at the amusment park and they need to round up the girls and Roz points out they are sure to be with Sister George.Sister Celstine wonders aloud while they were even on the trip given who little time the girsl were with them and Rev Mother answers" We were blackmailed!lol.Love it!
I know many missed Hayley Mills in this movie but I think Roz and Stella played off each other so well.
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marinablu
15 years ago
Speaking of Patty did you notice that when Patty was pushed into the pool, she was not wearing anything under her dress? She was bottomless. Oops. Just wondered if anyone else noticed. :P hehe
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sexykitten0814
13 years ago
Yes she did, If you look carefully, Patty is wearing underpants, they're just kind of flesh colored so it's a little hard to see.
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balkaster
16 years ago
Was George Marvel-Ann's father? How did I miss that? Maybe it was because Mary seemed to know more about him than did Marvel-Ann that I assumed he was uncle to both, or that Marvel-Ann was a more distant cousin.
Working totally from memory here, but wasn't Sr. George described as a Novice? Mary declared herself at the end of the first film, and presumably would have entered the order immediately. Yet she's had some college...so, when? You are right, the timeframe doesn't quite work, if they are the same character.
Even though we know they sort of are.
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jdmartin61
16 years ago
Yes, Mary Clancy's Uncle George was Marvel-Ann's father. As I understand from the original film (I still haven't read the book!), Mr. Clancy had sent Marvel-Ann to convent schools since she was old enough to go to school. Mr. Clancy's niece, Mary was a more worldly and mature(?) young girl when Mr. Clancy became her guardian. In desperation he finally sent her to "the nuns" too.
I don't think that Sr. George of the eventually released second movie was meant to actually be Mary Clancy as a professed nun. Perhaps they wanted to show Mary as a novice with ner new ideas but decided to take a different track if Haley Mills declined to be in the project. Maybe Sister "George" with her new ideas was meant to be a kind of reminder of Mary (nothing more) while representing the changing ideas in the Catholic Church at the time (my own speculation only).
As to the apparent discrepancy of Marvel-Ann's time line (ie she was in both movies), maybe Marvel-Ann was younger in the first movie than we thought? I don't recall her graduating with the others at the end.
John Martin, 47, USA
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