What about the end....


Do you think that Vicky will be joining Crown abroad,as he requested or was that the end of their affair?Looking forward to hearing your views on this topic.....

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Contains SPOILERS for both 1968 & 1999 versions:


I think Crown & Vicki's relationship ended with the end of the film. A happy ending(like the artificial and cheesey one they ended the 1999 TCA with) for those 2 would not have rung true IMHO.

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The reason that it wouldn't have worked for the both of them in the original, IMHO, is that I found McQueen and Dunaway too smarmy for their own good. They both come off as too arrogant. For some reason, I liked them both in the remake and wanted them to end up together. I actually could feel sorry for Russo and Brosnan.

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I really don't think they ended up together. They had great sexural attraction, but being themselves, they would never have lasted. And, she could never have been loyal to him.

I agree with davis, the remake ending was contrived, or cheesy but it still worked ... just not a good, or as memorable.

Both movies had their pluses. The painting switches, water color change, and the hat chase scene, made the remake. The chess scene and ending made the first. Oh, and that great song....

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Their affair ended at the end of the movie. Vicky was driven by money but also found herself falling for Crown. That is why she was crying at the end. She realized that if she had not betrayed Crown she would have had the money and him, the two things she loved most in this world. Instead she got neither because she also knew that this was Crown's way of testing her loyalty. Remember the night before the second heist he said to her " I gotta know where you're at Vicky...I gotta know you're on my side." That had nothing to do with whether he would pull the heist, he was ultimately saying, " I'd like to spend the rest of my life with you, but I must know if I can truly trust you." Vicky realized this in the final scene, hence the tears.

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Wow, great answer.

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There's actually a "Jonah and the Whale" parallel tied together by three major scenes. The first is a turnaround as to the implied meaning of the background behind Thomas; the background is of his office wall that looks like acute angled teeth which at first passing views as his offensive stance towards her unknown "knowledge" status. The scene is then her replying which changes the power balance in her favor and castrates the meaning of his posturing...from "baring his teeth" to being "inside the whale" of her design(or the insurance agency's). The second scene concerning "sides" is of the two in the sauna...the red lit sauna...deep in the belly of the whale? get it? heart of the matter? Ok, so it's here that he is at the pit of his despair what with the mixed signals as to her intent and loyalties and for him a kind of a point of no return here she realizes even with her affection for him she has forgotten the big picture and not held to the responsibilities of reality(created by her association with the insurance agency). The third is the very last scene made most poignant with the vapor-trailing jet... "streaming out through the whale's spout"...see it? right? Yes! I hope you do. The idea here is really not about whether she chose to meet him or not, but that HE posed for her a chance for free will and in this characterization he is an omniscient(like during the whole rest of the film;)) or more like a crucified Christ-figure redeemed by his coming of knowledge of such by enacting/creating such a context within his and someone else's life. "It's not your funeral, you're just along for the ride.", seems to underline this with his admission of the second bank job not being about the money but about his feeling of needing to do it as a lyrically and spiritually motivated venture. That she weeps and then smiles at the end is her coming into this epiphany for which she, and hopefully the vigilant viewer, will be better off. The 60's was rife with this kind of schtick, why am I the only one mentioning it? Is everyone caught up with Brosnan's ever-so-clever lending of his patented "double-o-seven charm"? [choke..cough..vomit a smidge] The chess scene is actually just as invested. Look for lamps, (lighted) documents/openbooks, and fire, all with meaningful juxtapositioning amongst themselves and the pair. Just her walking bareback past a lamp sheds light upon her switching of tactics by making her body the tool for which she will gain the other half of her faith driven goal of full knowledge(of his actions/involvement, which neither knows how much the other does). And symbolically colored wardrobe(during a walk he's wearing a black shirt...as is she but she has over it a white coat encroaching it just as she is upon his dark deed. Actually, once I caught on from the after-auction dinner with the closeup/lefttopcorner view of the street lamp I noticed every scene is absolutely key in describing the back-and-forth play that the two have entered into, based in not knowing what the other does(the lamp...to see what there is to see). Look into it. This is not horse$h1T. Without the delicate balancing of symbolically charged mise-en-scene this *film* would just be a _movie_...a boring one at that which compels people to claim the remake is somehow (impossibly) better than the original.

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That's a brilliant analysis of the movie. Thanks!







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Of course not. He gets away, and she is screwed. She doesn't get him, but because she went to the police, she doesn't get the money from the second heist either.

It's beautiful. It's the perfect 1968 movie. It's really a grotesque shame that they remade it as a dopey feel-good flick for the morons who fill the seats these days. I misss 1968.

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I miss it too. This film made a major impact on me. It made me think "outside the box" and want to be an individual. I can't think of any other film I have seen that made such a difference. '68 was a great year.

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It was simple -- she had fallen in love with a quarry she never caught, and yet he set her up to score either way. I mean, talk about a checkmate.

Of course Thomas knew. That's why he "left early" smirking with such confidence over a drink on the plane, having sent a messenger in his place.

He had to KNOW she was on his side.

She knew right then that she'd have to drive home in that Rolls with all that love and no where to go, instead of to her love with all that money.

I'll tell you this, the musical score really made that an poignant scene (Faye did a fine job).

I felt a little bad for the short end of the stick though, because Eddie preened throughout the entire film like an object of her affection.

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No reunion for them, definitely...he needed to know if he could trust her and she came with the cops...if she didn't, she would have been the courier to bring the money to Switzerland and they would have met there. Since she came with the cops, that meant she wasn't on his side after all. That's just the way it is. This is just my opinion ;-p

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he told her where the pickup from the second robbery would be and he sent his rolls with the message. if she would have not called the cops, she could pick up the money and meet him wherever. now that she called the cops, she couldn't keep the money and couldn't meet him either, because she had proved that she wasn't 100% behind him.

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A clue to Crown's depression is what he said to Sandy on the golf course, "What else is there to do on Sunday?" Well, go to church. None of his arrogance and smirking was fulfilling.

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I think the money he was talking about was her money that she would get once the money had been returned... she got like a % of the money... Lets say it was a mear LoL 300,000.00. That would be a nice hunk of change. The car, well I am unclear about the car, maybe he meant keep the car as in... well u got the car do with it what you will. I suspect in real life the car would be property of the police, or the FBI. I want to know what ever happen to the flunky that got caught in the first bank robbery. hmmmmmm I love that darn movie!!
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It's sort of disturbing how he smiled at the end. Like he was happy that he made her feel horrible. I think he knew she wasn't coming.

Honestly, I just love Steve McQueen and that he got away at the end. Most movies don't do that.

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Poor Thomas Crown all he can do is get back together with beautiful, young Gwen (Astrid Heeren).

Wait, that is not a negative that is a big positive.

Gwen cared deeply for Thomas Crown. As demostrated by her concern over his scary landing of the solo hang-glider.

Go to GOOGLE IMAGES for some HOT photos of Astrid Heeren.

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