what happens in the end


I didn`t quite get the end??she is crying, he goes away...
I was hoping they will stay together..

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He stages one last robbery, and she chooses to do the job she was hired to do and intercept him at the cemetery. Meanwhile, he's taking off for Europe, where the rest of his money is. He leaves her a message to the effect that if she really wants to be with him, she'll follow him there. But he probably doesn't believe it.


"Sorry. I wasn't listening, or thinking, whichever one applies."

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I don't think McQueen got any money from the last robbery. However, I think he did fall in love with Faye Dunnaway's character, and he gave her the opportunity to join him.

However, Dunnaway also presented McQueen with a challenge... could McQueen control his passions enough to be able to avoid Dunnaway's trap?

McQueen's character seemed to be very depressed, and was doing the robberies as a way of challenging himself... which was the root of his thrill when he was successful.

What McQueen was doing with Dunnway was tempting himself enough to get himself in danger of screwing up, but in the end, overcoming the challenge.

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I think the fact that McQueen gave up all the money from the second robbery showed that he really did love Dunaway and was leaving the money there (Millions) to show her.

It's also possible that McQueen didn't love her at all and left the money just to show what little effect Dunaway had on him... that nothing she could do would be strong enough to get him to fall in love with her and fall for her trap.

Being that McQueen's character seemed extremely depressed, both may have been true for the character at different times.

I really thought this was a great great movie, after just seeing it for the first time a couple days ago.

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I didn't see Crown as being depressed - bored, yes, but a depressed person would not function as well as he did. I think Crown liked Vicki, but didn't love her - he wouldn't screw her over like that if he did. She couldn't keep the money (or the car) with the cops right there. Your second theory is the right one.

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rclements3-3,

Bored, but not depressed? That's interesting. I don't see how the two can be separated. If someone is bored, it means they aren't emotionally into the moment... they are detached. At least that's how I see it.

There is a scene in the movie where Crown says he's worried about "What I'm going to be tomorrow."

That line in particular is great evidence to me that he had detached himself emotionally from his own life, and had no moral or spiritual basis upon which to plan his future. To me, this seems like the very basis for depression itself -- having no moral or spiritual basis for your actions or life in general. Because Crown's life seemed empty in this way, he seems to have been depressed.

However, you are right that he functioned extremely well... the only moral/spiritual basis he seemed to have was a subversive anti-capitalist motivation.... In the scene where Crown is laying with Dunaway, when he tells her he's going to pull another heist, he also says it's "me against the system" or something to that effect. Director Norman Jewison's commentary on the DVD really focused a lot on that aspect of the character, and consequently, in the movie all of Crown's actions based around that motivation function extremely well, because he is emotionally involved, as he is motivated to attack the system.

We aren't told in the film why his marriage didn't work, nor why he did not win custody of his children...

As for Crown's love for Dunway, or lack of it, I don't see why she couldn't keep the car even with the cops there...

And, if she had not had the cops there with her, she could very well have kept the money. That is, if she met him for the pickup alone. Crown set the situation up so that if she had been alone, she may have been able to meet up with him later after grabbing the money, or after returning the money if she wanted (she probably would have received a big paycheck for returning so much money, though she may have faced conspiracy charges if she continued to build her relationship with Crown).

There is one scene in particular, I believe the second dune buggy scene with Crown and Dunaway together, where McQueen's Crown looks at Dunaway and flashes a brief smile. Given McQueen's acting style (every facial expression counts) I think that the smile was intended to represent genuine love, or contentment. McQueen smiles infrequently during the movie, even when he's with Dunaway, but that particular moment showed me that Crown was very happy with Dunaway, and at the end of the movie, I think he did what he felt he could do to give Dunaway the opportunity to start a new life with him and build a relationship. It seemed like Crown was willing to possibly give up his battle with the system and instead face the challenge of building a relationship with Dunaway...

Just a fantastic film... I recommended it to a co-worker the other night who had seen the remake but never the original.

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You make some good points. I think boredom and depression may tie in together but are not necessarily inseperabale. If someone's boredom becomes really bad then it could lead to depression, which is a treatable disease - boredom is not "treatable" (at least not with medicine).

As for the car, she could have probably arranged to keep it, as a reminder that she was in a dirty business. I have to admit I was almost gald that she got shafted - I found her character to be be a phony. I think Crown probably thought that also.

In any case it is a very good film. It is notable in my opinion because McQueen had to fight very had to get the part, something he normally did not have to do. It was supposed to got to Rock Hudson (who was not available), the Sean Connery (who jerked the producers around until they tired of waiting for his answer). The director, Norman Jewison, then considered McQueen for the role and gave it to him after they met to discuss it.

Another notable thing this is the only film where McQueen laughed. His laugh is unxepectedly harsh, and usually McQueen insisted his characters never laugh and smile only occasionally. At the time, many people (Mrs. McQueen for one) thought he was crazy to play that part, but he proved the skeptics wrong.

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Rclements,

Is it really the only movie in which McQueen laughed out loud? I haven't seen all his movies yet, but it is the first time I have heard him laugh in a movie. Did you think the laugh was believable? For me it was... I thought it fit the character perfectly.

The story about McQueen fighting for the role was mentioned in Jewison's commentary on the DVD... A Big part of the charm of the movie, for me, was that Thomas Crown seemed very much alike with the off-screen Steve McQueen...

Both had a ton of money, all the toys you could imagine, yet both lacked a strong moral/spiritual base for their lives. I think McQueen was able to bring a lot of his own feelings and life experiences to the role and it helped him play the character perfectly...

Though one thing about Jewison's commentary that was very interesting was that he mentioned the subversive aspect of Thomas Crown ("me vs the system") several times.... but McQueen's portrayal of Crown seemed to really focus on the emotions and feelings of Crown rather than any kind of political motivation, though it was mentioned in the scene towards the end where McQueen and Dunaway are laying in bed together...

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Except for "The Great St. Louis Bank Robbery", I've seen all of McQueen's films at least twice. "The Thomas Crown Affair" is the only film he really laughed. I read he was very uncomfortable when filming those scenes where he laughed.

In "The Blob", he does chuckle very slightly at the beginning of the movie. But even in the two comedies he did, "Soldier in the Rain" (1963) and "The Reivers" (1969), to my recollection he does not laugh.

I agree that Crown and McQueen were very similar. Crown was McQueen's favorite role of his entire career - he even used the name "Thomas Crown" as an alias when registering at hotels and other places.

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You know, I could almost feel that McQueen was really enjoying himself playing that character. Call me crazy, but I think it came across on screen.

Of his movies, so far I've seen the Magnificent Seven, The Great Escape, Bullitt, Never So Few, Papillon, Tom Horn, The Thomas Crown Affair, Wanted Dead or Alive: Season One (tv), and just today, Le Mans. Of these, Thomas Crown was definitely my favorite.

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He kind of laughs in The Getaway when they're crashing the cars in the drive- in. I read that McGraw couldn't drive so she was just running into cars which made McQueen laugh.

I think this move is great - so, much better than the remake. The editing is just wild. The remake lost the whole point of the story with that tacked on ending.

May I suggest you check out "Hell is for Heroes" when you get the chance.

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You're right, there's a slight laugh in that scene of "The Getaway", but not a full-blown luagh like he lets out a couple times in "The Thomas Crown Affair"

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Yeah, that laugh in TCA is full-blown. Saw Jewison say that McQueen didn't want to do it but Norman made him

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XKSS,

I disagree with you a bit when you say "the remake lost the whole point of the story..."

I think the remake had a different story.

It's also possible that you interpreted the original story incorrectly, but I think that what the makers of the remake wanted to do was change the story and change the characters a bit.

I really enjoyed both movies though they were quite different. I did my best to have an open mind watching the remake though I'm not a Pierce Brosnan fan at all and I'm a huge fan of Steve McQueen...

Also, for me Faye Dunaway was much more attractive as the leading lady, so that aspect of the original worked better for me, but nonetheless I enjoyed the remake as much more of a romantic story than the more psychological original.

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The second was that sweet smarmy farsical love story ending -- which I've seen enough of - but it sells to 14 year old girls. I bet if they redid the ending of the Dirty Dozen they'd have Jim Brown in an arm sling, hitching a ride from Lee Marvin at the crossroads.

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He gave her the ultimate test. Go your way or go mine. I think he really loved her but had to know where her loyalties lay.
She couldn't overcome her committment to her mission no matter how much she loved him. The return of the money. He didn't care about the money.
There was no depression there was only raw emotion and a very strict application of it's rules for him.
I also think he would not have respected her if she had taken the money and joined him. Talk about a double edged sword.
I would have grabbed the money and joined him and worried about the dis later.
This is my all time favorite movie for sexual tension and romance. All of the movies that show every sexual position possible don't realize what is missed in the romance department and what makes the heart of woman ache.
It breaks my heart that he died so young. I believe he would have been an interesting person forever no matter how old he got. But I also don't think that he would have lived to be very old. He lived his life to the max and so it would have ended sooner.

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I think his laughing was very awkwardly done, to the point of embarrassing. I'm not surprised he wasn't comfortable doing it - it shows.

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"me against the system" resounded in 1968. Everyone was saying that and other phrases such as "too many possessions", that sort of thing. Both characters were very pulled together. As a woman who traveled by air, I couldn't believe Vicky's wardrobe, including hats, many items in white! Yes, it is a movie! Faye Dunaway has said that the dress she wore in the chess/kiss scene was in her favorite color, pink beige. I believe her nail color matched.

"Two more swords and I'll be Queen of the Monkey People." Roseanne

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McQueen would never have accepted to play a character who is depressed. EVER !
So stop making up stories about the scenario.

Tommy is rich, very good looking, has style, friends, plays polo and golf...
He has it all and , because he is exceptionally gifted, he gets bored and wants some challenge in his life, hence the robbery he plans.

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Oh I thought he was going to brazil...

"sugarloaf,samba,jungle,piranha"...

learn something new everyday.

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The 1968 movie worked then as it was filmed. The 60s were a turbulent time, with lots of distrust of the establishment. I could almost feel how he felt being a child of the postwar years and the innocent 50s. he was a REBEL> Was he rich as a kid??? I always wanted to know.

The 99 version worked well the way it was. it was able to make use of some of the technology we use today. But not all.

If you tried to do it today in 2008, it'd be laughable. First off, everyone has a cellphone, so no running to find payphones. That tension is lost.
And everyone can be tracked by satellite. So nothing would be hidden from the authorities.
Everyone in the bank would be on video. Virtually no one used a disguise in the 1968 movie. Unbelievable.
The car would be found in a heartbeat due to sidewalk cameras.

However, assuming someone could do it and get the money to Geneva, you still have the problem of numbered bills and the ink bombs that would be in each sack, making it impossible to even use most of the money.

Can't do it today. Just enjoy these two versions and realize it is a little cheesy and unbelievable now. Even the 99 version is cheesy.

Pierce Brosnan yes, but Rene Russo NO>

i think if done today it would have to be some kind of devious computer crime.

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Two brilliant and charismatic people are bored with life. Their success comes to them too easily. When they meet they play a game with one another. The game is one of intelligence and power. The final round of the game is to see if Vicki will do things Thomas Crown's way or insist on her own.

Vicki wants to win the game. She wants to be the detective who caught Thomas Crown. She also wants to be his partner and travel the world with him having adventures and taking risks. In the end she betrays him.

Crown wants to win the game, too. He gives Vicki information about his planned heist to see is she can be trusted. He enjoys Vicki as a companion but he wants to be the dominant partner.

They don't have a love story in the classic sense. This is not a movie involving selfless true love. They are attracted to one another because they are alike in ego and passion.

Vicki chooses to use the power Crown has given her to prove her dominance over him. She achieves money and a reputation as a great detective; but she loses the most exciting lover she will ever find. She weeps.

Crown escapes without the money -- he had the money dropped at the cemetery as planned but he flew out of the country to avoid the police. He has millions of dollars of his own and is going to enjoy the world. If Vicki had been at the cemetery alone, according to the plan they agreed upon, she could have brought the bank robbery loot and gone away with Crown. Because she arrived at the cemetery with the police prepared to arrest Crown she showed she couldn't be trusted. Crown has lost the only woman equal to him. The only one who would never bore him. Someone who would have taken risks and enjoyed them. He will survive quite nicely with plenty of money, no need to work and all the beautiful women, cars, planes, boats and horses in the world. He smiles.

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Some serious misunderstandings here, possibly related to the (relative) youth of those writing....

At the end of the movie, Thomas Crown is not on his way to Europe. He is flying to Brazil where he will be beyond the reach of US law enforcement--no extradition treaty. There he will have access to his Swiss bank account. But at the end of the story, he is busted as far as the USA is concerned--the first robbery was, at the time, a very big score (over $2m) and the law enforcement crowd waiting for him at the cemetery have the full story. The driver of the Ford station wagon (woody) from the first robbery, for example, has sung well and truly.

Crown's personal dilemma may seem, today, fairly non-sensical--we live in a radically different time. Although released in 1968, the world view and basic philosophical assumptions underlying the story are from the post-Fifties, pre-Sixties interregnum period when it was written. And although the director, Norman Jewison, alludes to elements of 'rebellion' in the protagonist's character, it may be useful to recall that Crown himself, during the golf match in which his ennui is most apparent, clearly states that his problem is finding out who he will be tommorrow.

This is a reference to post-war philosophical concerns related to Existentialism. This is now defunct. But at the time, these questions were discussed in terms of "authenticity," for example, or "identity" (Crown's own usage). These concerns, in an era of "lifestyle" whereby one simply purchases a persona, are now gone. Small wonder people now are puzzled. The zeitgeist is simply no longer there.

See also the second remake--largely a matter of conspicuous consumption. Hopeless.

Thomas Crown may be very rich and Faye Dunaway spectacularly beautiful and intelligent. But the reason the film resounds is that these characters have very real concerns, dealt with artfully but in some considerable depth in the story. There is no equivalent today. It isn't even discussed. You simply go shopping.

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While T.Crown and Miss Vicki are in bed just before the last heist McQueen had looked at Fay and said, "after all you are just along for the ride."

So, yes, I believe that McQueen's character did believe that she was just as dirty as him. They were both fascinated, mesmerized, and whatever else you want to call a sexual relationship to each other.

He also was not in love with her. Maybe a simple crush, but, Miss Vicki was in love and bound and determined to get this guy.

He was divorced with lots of other women to sleep with. The french girl was young and a cutie.

Nope, I don't believe at the end that he wanted her with him. The final scene of the movie was that he won again with the system and with women.

She cried because she just got money and wasn't going to get laid for the night.

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In order to understand what the relationship is between Crown and Vicki is, we need to see how the film functions, and what the central characters personify.

Both McQueen and Vicki are shown as being disillusioned with life. McQueen was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, prep schools and Ivy League, polo player and rich man-about-town. Vicki uses her looks and intelligence to solve cases by getting inside her marks, figuring them out and exposing their weaknesses; she's like a reptile stalking her prey.

Tommy is bored with his life. He's mischievous, and enjoys setting up elaborate practical jokes. But like all true gamblers, he isn't satisfied unless the stakes are high. He wants out of his life--he admits to his lawyer that he feels "trapped." Money itself isn't enough. He's a refugee from a failed marriage--we can see how that went--and he's looking for kicks. He's a little bit like Ripley (The Talented Mr. Ripley).

Tommy may be cold, and calculating, but he's not immune from human affection. He enjoys sex and the physical pleasures, and he seems genuinely to enjoy other people. The gambit which Vicki presents to him is metaphorically about sex, but is really about the pursuit of his soul. Can she get close enough to him to read what his motivation is that she can trap him?

As the movie progresses, we realize that both of them are becoming more committed to each other, and as that commitment grows, the underlying risk for both of them--the risk of emotional attachment--as well as the risk that one or the other of them will quit the game, by winning or giving up--becomes more intense.

The ending is meant to suggest that McQueen has offered her a conditional proposition: If she "really loves" him, she can give up everything and go meet him somewhere in Switzerland. If she does, there's no guarantee that their relationship, such as it is, will mature into true, lasting affection.

Both Tommy and Vicki are gamblers. That is the basis of their shared mutual fascination. Without that, they're just ordinary people, intelligent, attractive, and bland. It's a kind of sickness which draws them together.

Vicki's tears at the end of the movie suggest that she realizes all this in a fleeting moment of recognition. Only at the very last moment does she finally acknowledge the impossibility of their love, and the disappointment that brings.

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i really enjoyed all the analysis of these characters but i think people didnt want to say the simple fact that Thomas Crown is a selfish prick.A spoiled brat,with too much money.He doesnt know what to do with his life,couldnt hold to his marriage,doesnt even see his kids,unable to commit to any woman,all he cares about is stupid games with the police.He is not really material for any movie hero.But by casting Steve and Faye,one forgets all this and is just fascinated in this movie by these two huge stars,thats all.

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Spot on.

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When Vicki (Dunnaway) was in the back seat of the police car she was really worried. Either Thomas Crown(McQueen) would show up which meant he loved her and trusted her, but then he would go to jail for life. Or he would not show up, meaning he didn't love her. But he found a third way out, first she saw the car and depressedly accepted that he loved her, but then the telegram was a joke, saying "HAHA, I just tricked you with the funeral talk, and I do love you, but I'm not gonna be tricked by you either, so instead of you asking me if you love me I'm still asking YOU, without compromising your (possible) love or your personal integrity"

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I think Crown was the first to realize that they had reached a stalemate in their relationship. They are both the same type, they both want to win. Unlike Vicki, who still has some morality, Crown has none. He is too cynical for that and he won't turn honest to win her over with a little jail time. He knows that Vicki will eventually adhere to honesty and sell him out.

And he was right? Wasn't he?

However, that smile in the end is very sad. You have to compare it to his insane laughter after the first heist.

Thomas Crown loves Vicki. She is the only person he loves more than he loves himself. And he has lost her forever.

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So she had a choice. Collect the money and follow Thomas Crowne to paradise or call the police and catch Thomas in the act of collecting the money.
So her decision was "good or evil"? What was she really?
She choose to call the police knowing she would lose Thomas but kept her alignment of "good".
Thomas left the choice up to her so he would not have to get caught.

Remember the line early in the movie which he basically said don't do anything you can't walk away from in 30 seconds flat.

DiNero's character in Heat said basically the same thing.

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She was brought in by law inforcement to help with trying to solve the case . . . it was what she did . . . she stayed true to form . . .

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