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Why didn't he whistle - and other things that make no sense


Ah, the old classics, the movies made before people thought to think about stories, plotholes and such, and just wanted to make some movie.

Wait.. I guess we're still living that era - d'oh!

In any case, there have been many discussions and good points made here, but I can't help wondering about a few things that don't seem to make sense.

Now, I don't remember all the details, so some of this might have been explained in the movie.

Why didn't he whistle for communication? Why was he so AGGRESSIVE and VIOLENT that he actually made it impossible for any 'ape' to trust him? Why can't a trained astronot act in a civilized way when imprisoned?

I don't mind the english, the guns, the climate or whatnot. I will give them ALL that.

However, there are peculiar anomalies in the movie. Why does the main villain know about humans only to basically deny everything? What harm could it do if everyone would know the truth about everything? The apes still 'evolved' (groan) to become the dominant species, the humans are still the non-talking, animalistic sub-species (not how things work, because of soul and energy structures and such, but I will give them this, too).

Why didn't he dynamite the cave previously, why even let someone dig around those things, etc..

A really stupid thing is that we're supposed to believe that a THROAT INJURY is all it takes to stop a human being from communicating things above animal instinctual, even if mimicking behaviour. What?

Do we really think their THROAT structure is the only thing stopping apes, monkeys, baboons and gorillas from talking? Even Coco didn't really convey any philosophical messages about the Universe and all Existence. Its communication was pretty much Dog Whisperer's dog instinct-level "I want banana" and "I feel gratitude"-stuff.

The moviemakers would probably have us believe two very contradictory things at once.. 1) Helen Keller was not any kind of fraud, but the ONLY deaf-mute that can smoothly and fluently talk about political and other grand, ideological concepts and constructs without even a tiny hitch anywhere ever, just by frantically drawing in the air and touching someone's arm in a specific way

2) An intelligent, trained, fully-seeing, fully-hearing, fully-feeling astronot with the RIGHT STUFF, can't communicate ANYTHING intelligent if his throat is injured.

I mean.. what kind of sense does that make? People have learned to communicate with each other in a MYRIAD of ways, a PLETHORA, even, that have NOTHING to do with voice or throat. Even if he doesn't whistle, he could very convincingly and easily..

- tap morse code-style messages
- draw in air, walls, floors, even if there's no 'ink' or 'trace', because you can still recognize letters if drawn slowly in the air, etc.. ETC!
- respond to questions with nods, shaking of head, hand gestures adding information and details, and so on

Even with just these methods, remarkably long, detailed and even somewhat philosophical conversations have been, and thus, can be had between two people.

Even if 'ape gestures' differ, you can still draw shapes and all kinds of stuff. Heck, you could bend your BODY into letters in a true japanese idol style! (OK, for example, is a very easy gesture to make - an animal wouldn't think to form a CIRCLE with their arms)

Just by nod, headshake and shrug, you could have pretty good conversations about at least superficial topics. Think about what happens in that old Star Trek-episode, where captain Pike (if memory serves) is confined to a wheelchair of sorts, and can only give you 'yes' and 'no', and nothing else. Yet look at the conversations..

How about "Do you want pen and paper?" "Nod". The rest would be history so easily.

I have seen people communicate effectively silently with body language, energy, gestures, without ever making a sound. They could've given him a toy set of letters (surely ape kids must have such toy sets) that he could then have arranged to form words and so on.

I guess the 'Damn dirty ape'-scene was considered too precious to not sacrifice logic to its altar.

Also, the lobotomy of his friend - what kind of sense does that make? It's done 100% purely for 'so that the movie can happen' reasons. No matter how evil the villain is, it would raise quite a few eyebrows if someone just suddenly wants to LOBOTOMIZE an animal that shouldn't be able to talk anyway.

There would also be witnesses to his friend talking before the lobotomy, and then the cat would be out of the bag. Would've been safer to just 'accidentally shoot him' or something. A surgery like this in a primitive village like that would be a BIG DEAL!

Of course we have to wonder how they have a technology for brain surgery, but NO ONE has thought to make a paper airplane.. studying to be a doctor, brain surgeon, etc. takes years of SCHOOLing, and what do kids do in school? THROW things. Also, guns already shoot bullets that, from the ape's perspective, FLY.

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So why would shooting a bullet be smaller a miracle than folding a paper a couple of times and throwing it? Do they not also throw a net and see it fly in the air? Do they never throw anything else?

It's SO contradictory, so much more than what people usually write even here, that I can't take anything in this movie seriously.

The other reasons the movie doesn't quite work, besides all the nonsensical non-logic, plot holes, contradictory and fluctuating technology that has never even SEEN congruency..

01) It takes half an eternity to get to any kind of interesting point. Some boring yammering back and forth and wandering in a boring desert. Yaawwwnn.

02) The story is overly simple - as others have mentioned, there's barely any story at all. A man gets captured, then he escapes, is chased and blah happens and movie ends with the predictable twist. How is this even a story?

03) When a movie relies almost solely on a big twist, everything else gets discarded that could be in its way. All hints we would normally get are diminished artificially, the ape tech level just does whatever the scene requires it to be able to do. Primitive village, but brain surgery is possible. Mud huts, but designer armor and tamed horses. Guns, hoses, all kinds of 'normal tech', but yet paper airplane is a miracle. How does anyone even think any of this could be remotely believable?

04) Its message is very thin, it doesn't say anything new, unique, interesting or even poignant. Since the existence of nuclear weapons can't be proven either way, and all - and I mean ALL! - 'proof' of them is highly dubious and flawed (noticeable with closer inspection), the message being something like 'let's not nuke the planet' is not particularly inspiring or interesting.

05) What genre is this? It doesn't work as a mystery, thriller or a sci-fi movie. It doesn't work as a horror movie, either. The final twist is not enough of a payoff to wade through the rest of the predictable shlock.

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Its about time everyone listened to you and didn't feed this troll with comments. Good job

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