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An okay transition to the silver screen. *PLEASE READ*


I have to honestly say that, after doing the stage version of Funny Girl in November, that the film was not really that great. Here is my little list:

1.) The opening number 'If a Girl isn't Pretty' was severely edited in the movie. The stage version actually has the old women, Eddie Ryan, a cabbie named Heckie (played by me), two workmen, and eventually the whole cast singing to her that she just doesn't have the right look. The film writes new verses and edits some verses to distribute to the old women. The entire opening number takes the first three scenes from the play, and a whole two minutes on film.

2.) The song 'I'd Rather be Blue' replaced a great number called 'Cornet Man.' The original song is about a woman whose husband, a cornet player, will leave his family at any given time to play his cornet. A very moving song and, on the original cast album, Barbara's voice is beautiful. The song used in the film wasn't even written when the film takes place.

3.) The film has a scens towards the end with a ballet number called 'The Swan.' this replaced a funny song called 'Rat-tat-tat-tat,' which was about kicking the Kaiser 'where he sat.' Showgirls dress as men in the army while others wear flashy flapper dresses, and Fanny presents herself as 'Private Schwartz from Rockaway.' The song is said to have been cut due to it being 'dated,' but a racial slur could have also contributed. There is a line in the song that goes, 'With every poppitty-pop...some *beep* took a drop! American boys are all such straight shooters!' There is also a sexual innuendo, 'We'll take care of him mother. We'll do everything that you would do...and more!'

4.) There were songs sung by other characters, Fanny's mother, Mrs. Strakosh, Eddie, etc., that were dropped for the film: 'We Taught Her Everything' is a touching and witty song that Eddie and Mrs. Brice sing as they fear that Fanny will forget them as she climbs the ladder to stardom. The feel that she will deny them credit for teacher her everything she knows: tapping her toes, singing like a bird, picking her clothes, her carefree attitude. As Mrs. Brice says, 'You don't pull such mannerisms out of the air.' Another fun song that was cut is called 'Find Yourself a Man.' Mrs. Strakosh and Eddie feel that Rose, Mrs Brice, is too busy worrying about Fanny to have a life of her own, so they urge her to find a man. Rose thinks them foolish, but thinks about it, eventually calling them foolish once again. The song is full of witty lines like, 'Just what a I need is a middle-aged sheik. Whose uppers and lowers will click when he'll speak!'

5.) There is a song that was vocally cut. It is called 'Henry Street' and is about the street that Fanny lives on. 'No, it ain't Broadway' but they are proud to know the 'greatest, most talented, glorified Ziegfeld satr!'

6.) The ending numbers were also changed. While the movie has Fanny sing 'Funny Girl' when Nick leaves her, the stage version has 'His is the Music that Makes Me Dance' which is actually better. The film then has Fanny sing 'My Man' at the end, which the real Fanny Brice was famous for, but the stage version has a little reprise of 'Don't Rain on my Parade.' The stage one starts with Fanny singing that in her dressing room, and in one quick drop of a robe, she is in her dress singing before a crowded house, which is really the audience. The reprise has a wonderful verse that goes: 'Yes here we go, Brice. Stiff upper lip. Let's give'm hell, Brice. We'll cray a little latter. Well, Brice, that's life in the theatre!' While the movie makes the viewer feel saddnes towards her, the stage show does the same, but let's us know that, 'Nobody, no, nobaody...is goanna rain on [her] parade!'

I believe that the many songs cut were to give Barbara more time on screen. She is what sells the movie.

The film also cuts some characters. The characters I played were not even in the film. Heckie, the cab driver, has no mention at all in the film. One of his singing lines is given to Mrs. Strakosh. I also played an actor who, at the train station in Baltimore, had forgotten his wife and crashes into Ziegfeld as he exits to retriever her, calling his boss stupid and quickly realizing his mistake. In that same scene, I played a ticket seller who sells Fanny her ticket to New York to be with Nick. Towards the end of the scene, I returned as the actor who has finally found his wife. In the second act, I played a theatrical agent named Mr. Renaldi who teams up with Fanny, in a non-existant off-stage scene, to try to get Nick to be his partner in a new agency he is opening up. Nick becomes suspicious when he learns that neither his wife or his money are required for such a high position in the business. Fanny revelas that she put $20,000 in for him and he bids Renaldi goodbye. Fanny says she was only trying to help him, but Nick says he doesn't need her help. So what does Nick do? He takes part in a phony investment scheme one of his friends put together and lands himself in prison. This leads to the Brice-Arnstein divorce. A similar scene is in the movie, but the character is not Mr. Renaldi nor is he a theatrical agent. I believe he is a friend of Nicks, but it has been a while since I have seen the movie. Other characters were cut but I can't name them all.

Again, cut to give Barbara more time on the screen alone that with other characters.


Anyway, the movie is great...if considered as a companion to the stage version and not as a superior film incarnation, which, with movie musicals, is impossible.I just wanted to share with everyone my reasons for finding the film inferior to the stage show. I also like Barbara's vocals better on the original Broadway cast album than I do on the film album.

JACK: Never let go, Rose
(she sneezes and drops him.)
ROSE: (after a pause) Oops.

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To add to point 5: The music to 'Henry Street' can be heard as background music in the scene where Fanny takes Nick to the saloon so he can meet Rose, Mrs. Strakosh, and the other old ladies.

The beep in point 3 was put by the IMDB to cover the word (k r a u t) I didn't know it would be beeped.

JACK: Never let go, Rose
(she sneezes and drops him.)
ROSE: (after a pause) Oops.

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Anyone who has seen more than a fair share of Broadway shows can listen to the Broadway soundtrack and know that "Henry Street" was a song inserted into the show for no other reason than to cover a Fanny costume change...there is no other conceivable reason for that song in the show so it was understandably cut from the movie.

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Thanks for taking the time to write and post such a detailed and interesting analysis.

Some people involved in the original Broadway production wanted to use some of the songs Fannie Brice sang during her career (like "My Man" -- which was the original title when the show was first announced) but, since songwriters contractually have more power on Broadway than in Hollywood, Jule Styne successfully opposed the use of any songs but his in the show. Once the show was sold to Hollywood, however, the studio had much more freedom, and in came the period songs like "Second Hand Rose" and "I'd Rather Be Blue." The new Jule Styne-Bob Merrill title song might have been meant as a move for a Best Original Song Oscar (it was nominated but lost) or an attempt to create a handy marketing tool (it wasn't really heard much outside of the film though). But in the process the film lost two terrific songs ("The Music That Makes Me Dance" and "Who Are You Now") that could have been standards like "People" if they'd been left in.




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I have to admit that I miss "Cornet Man" and "The Music that Makes Me Dance" in the movie, but I understand most of the other cuts..."Henry Street" was put in the play to give Fanny time to change her costume before she sings "People." "Rat Tat Tat Rat" is just a silly song and "Who are you now?" would have brought the movie to a dead halt, it wasn't that interesting of a song.

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I completely forgot about 'Who Are You Now?'!

7.) When Nick missies Fanny's opening night, she's not that happy about it. There is a small party in her dressing room, but Fanny has sent Emma, her maid, to call all of the police stations, hospitals, and other places to find people, to see if Nick was hurt. He clearly isn't when he comes in. He offers an apology to Fanny, who gives him the cold shoulder. The guests leave and fanny and Nick are alone. She yells at him for not being there, and he reveals that he lost al of his, and most of her's, money. They yell a little more, something they are prone to by now, and Fanny 'realizes' that she shouted at him. He sits down and Fanny, kneeling at his side, asks him 'Who Are You Now, now that you're mine?' A very moving song that works as a tear-jerker. This leads to the scene I mentioned with Mr. Renaldi.

JACK: Never let go, Rose
(she sneezes and drops him.)
ROSE: (after a pause) Oops.

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Hi! I directed a production of FUNNY GIRL for my church. Having come to know the script down to its last detail, and also being a huge fan of the movie version, I have to agree - the show is far superior to the film in my opinion. And I *love* THE MUSIC THAT MAKES ME DANCE! I wish the film version were more like the stage show.
God bless - Mike (S.I.)

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I completely forgot about 'Who Are You Now?'!


Probably because it's a completely forgettable song...just like "Henry Street", "Rat Tat Tat Tat". and "Who Taught her Everything", which is probably why they weren't used in the movie...they would have brought the movie to a dead halt. Though "Henry Street" can be heard as background music at the beginning of the scene in Fanny's mother's saloon, right after her opening night and before she sings "People."

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Stage plays are often "reconfigured" for their screen versions (WEST SIDE STORY, THE SOUND OF MUSIC and CABARET were, while MY FAIR LADY and GYPSY hardly were at all, which is why they're so stagy), and when transferred to the screen FUNNY GIRL became more of a "drama with songs" than a "musical" - as has been mentioned, many of the "book" songs ("If a Girl Isn't Pretty" "Henry Street" "Who Are You Now?") were either truncated or eliminated. As has also been mentioned, rights were cleared so that a couple of songs Brice had actually sung could be used, particularly "My Man" (and so out went that gorgeous ballad, "The Music That Makes Me Dance"). Incidentally, Streisand "rehearsed" the "My Man" finale on her MY NAME IS BARBRA special 3 years earlier, except her black gown was sleeveless.

Although I heard the movie soundtrack before I got the Original Broadway Cast Album (way, waaaaaaaaay back when such things were available on vinyl and as 8-track tapes!), the latter is still my preference. For one thing, Streisand wasn't bored with "People" yet (she also does it beautifully on MY NAME IS BARBRA), and the youthful exhuberance of her voice was enthralling - as someone has suggested, her vocals on the movie soundtrack are too polished. Another reason is Omar Sharif - I enjoy listening to him as Nick Arnstein even less than I enjoy watching him. But Jule Styne's score is gorgeous. "His Love Makes Me Beautiful" is much better here, and you get to hear Jean Stapleton - pre-Edith Bunker - on "Find Yourself A Man". On top of all this, the Original Broadway Cast Album of FUNNY GIRL has one of the two best Broadway overtures ever - the other is Styne's GYPSY.

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I had both the stage and screen soundtracks to FUNNY GIRL and knew several songs had been cut, reduced, or re-thought. I always thought cutting "Cornet Man" and "The Music that Makes Me Dance" was ridiculous. I do think cutting "Henry Street" was a good idea. That number struck me as kind of dull. It just comes off as cover music for Fanny to do a costume change. I think "Who Taught her Everything" just had to be cut to make room for stuff like "The Swan" and "My Man". I wasn't too crazy about "Rat Tat Tat Tat" either and am glad it was cut. I must also disagree about the quality of Barbra's voice onstage and onscreen. I thought her vocals were much stronger in the movie, but that's JMO. But I was fascinated reading your post because I have never known anyone who EVER appeared in a stage production of FUNNY GIRL and I am so curious to hear more about it if you'd like to share it. Did you have a good Fanny? How was your Nick? I'd love to hear more about it if you'd like to share.

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Wow! I'd forgotten about this thread.

Our fanny was, sadly, just a girl with a kick-ass audition. He understudy actually opened and ended up being far superior in the role. As for Nick, he was perfect in every way. He's usually a bass, but he did really well at training his voice to sing higher for Nick, and he has the looks for the role as well.

Our set was like this: pale-bluish curtain at the back which changed colors depending on lighting for scenes. A 22 inch high platform contaning a turntable which we use for some scene changes and dance numbers (mainly during "His Love Makes Me Beautiful"). Set pieces we few, but intricate in design. For the finale (and opening) Fanny woulkd sit at he dressing table facing away from the audience, then as the turntable moved, she flipped a switch and the mirror slid down so that the audience could see her. We had smaller platforms stage left and stage right that would be rolled on for fast scene changes that could happen in a small corner of the stage (ex: While Fanny speaks in the beginning, remembering Mrs. Strakosh, a platform rolled on behind her with the ladies playing poker. Fanny faced the audience as she talked and the ladies acknowlegded an invisible Fanny near them. Then, Fanny took off her coat and was revealed in her kid clothes and walked into the scene as the song started. When the ladies were done singing, Fanny danced her way to the center as the turntable brought on Keeny's Music Hall. that later turned around and becam the street outside the hall, where "If A Girl Isn't Pretty" ends).

In all, it a good production, hidered only by a weak leading lady.

Let me know if you want to know anything else.



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That was interesting. What production are you actually talking about?

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Barbra not Barbara

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The movie version of "I'm the Greatest Star" stunk compared to the Broadway recording, too much "goof ball". Also Coronet Man, and The Music That Makes Me Dance were the best numbers in the show - along with People, Don't Rain..., and Greatest Star. The movie was inferior.

Funny Lady was even worse.

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We did a production of this at school, this thread really brings back memories, I can still remember most of the words to Rat-tat-tat-tat, it was one of my favies! Think I'll have to look up the lyrics to the rest of it o i can sing it raucously right now..

Chalice

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I'm curious. How does the Cornet Man Number play out on stage. The recording is sung straight. I love that song.

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I don't understand why exactly everyone's so against Barbra having so much screen time, considering that she's the main character. I'm not a big enough snob to pretend like I REALLY care about, say, her mom's role in her fame.

Also, don't take this the wrong way, but...it sounds like you're a tad bitter because someone decided to cut out the role you'd play in the stage version 40 years in the future...

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...AND ALSO! WTF?! No matter HOW wonderful Funny Girl is, it's not AT ALL what life was like for the real Fanny Brice. She grew up pretty well off, not in a little poor neighborhood, but in fancy apartments (her parents owned a bunch of bars). Nick Arnstein wasn't all swanky and generally a nice person...he was a mobster who sponged off her (um, AND he was married to someone else the entire time they were together before they got married). I could go on and on, but I won't.

Just wanted to mention that it doesnt matter how much the movie version differs from the film version, because it's all fake anyway. :)

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