fanny or nick?


this movie has intrigued me because fanny's story seems so simple. and she loves her husband, isn't that simple. and on top of that there's a lot of humor in this film. but the nick arnstein aspect of it seemed so dark and mysterious. first it was more clear-- he is beautiful, she feels unworthy. but their estrangement from each other was always "off" to me. i blamed nick's character for being proud partially because they focused so much on what fanny was willing to give up to save their marriage. i also heard they made him into a junk character in the sequel, so i thought maybe that was the original intention.

but now i think i understand what her part really was. obviously she never intended to be unsupportive, but there's this deep message running in this film about what supportive and a relationship means. maybe this is foreshadowed by the "you are woman, i am man" song a little. at least it hinted at roles that are so broad and yet so ambiguous to most of us.

watching it again i see fanny did not know how to give nick support. in the end she even says "18 months have gone by and i never thought about it." she just never went for a more meaningful level of supportive communication with him. their relationship was shallow, them not knowing each other very well, and then not being able to communicate and address their individual needs effectively. it wasn't nick's fault. maybe that's obvious to everyone else who watched it, but i really see how fanny could have done so much more for him.

now why is that deep message in a film called Funny Girl? doesn't it seem random? i don't know. it's very complex and i haven't heard anyone discuss it beyond barbara streisand and her typical victim role.

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I agree. The musical is deeper than I thought at first glance (Streisand's talent is blinding). Here's part of a post I made a year ago:

You get the feeling that the mother may have had similar problems with Fanny's father and now the daughter is - in a different way - repeating the same mistakes.

Perhaps based in learning-from-her-own-mistakes, Fanny's mother tells her what to do: talk to him and the two of them figure out what Nick should do together.

But Fanny can't get real or keep it real with her man. She's "Sadie" at last and nothing is going to rock that boat. She comes up with a scheme instead...pushing Nick away for good.

That's why "Don't Rain on My Parade" blows me away now. I always thought it was a positive thing; then as I lived and loved a little, I realized that the song could be about how a little marginalized girl is going to be in the winner's circle....no matter what.

But once there, how do you stay? Fanny hasn't a clue because she hasn't done the work. She has the illusion.

Her marriage reflects what she knows: the stage.



"Hot sun, cool breeze, white horse on the sea, and a big shot of vitamin B in me!"

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How interesting. The shallow message that comes off at first-- marginalized person becomes mainstream, successful celebrity-- that seems like a good thing. Our society would accept and celebrate that story. That, I think, is why for so long I didn't look beyond it. I thought that was the message of the film-- why not?

We all can be so blind, no?

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I don't know if it;s so much blindness as much as all great works of art can be viewed through several lenses over time. You life experience alters the way you see a piece of art; you bring more when you've lived more. I think travel helps a great deal too.

"Hot sun, cool breeze, white horse on the sea, and a big shot of vitamin B in me!"

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Yes I think fanny could have done so much more for nick. If she had really thought about trying to help him instead of acting like everything was okay most of the time. Obviously he needed someone to run to. You could see the pain in his eyes and how it meant so much for him to be "head" of the family and the "main" provider. She overpowered his success and like he said he could never catch up to her.

I love this movie. I think it's such a beautiful movie. It's touching and it pulls you right in. It's very sad too. I so wish Fanny and Nick had stayed together. You could really tell they still both loved each other very much.

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LOL. I agree with everything you said. Everything!



"Hot sun, cool breeze, white horse on the sea, and a big shot of vitamin B in me!"

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like with any relationship that fails, it's never just one person's fault. Nick was too proud and Fanny was incapable to grow up and deal with her relationship in an adult fashion, instead hoping to just sweep everything under the carpet with a childish trick ...

ask the spokesperson, I don't have a brain

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