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I teach in Bronx NYC--- TSWL's kids were NOT that bad!!


Seriously! They were pretty tame compared to the students I teach. I teach elementary school in South Bronx and I have seen everything -- from 1st graders stealing $100+ dollars from their parents and giving the money to their friends at school, to a 5th grader dismantling a Imac Computer and litterally bowling it down the hallway.

I read the book and the book was in fact, more tame than the movie!

Don't get me wrong, I love this movie and the kids are great, but seriously, can I get a "To Ms.Deem with Love" movie?


You're laborers, you're supposed to be laboring! That's what you get for not having an education!!

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I'm curious, what kind of punishment do they get for doing that to a computer? Things have really changed. Young kids used to respect authority more and were better taught by parents or guardians to not step out of line. My parents didn't even spank me and still I was terribly afraid of doing anything that might piss of my elders.

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Hka... It depends... In my school the administration gives the bullies in the school carte blanche to do whatever they want. The child that went bowling was a 13 year old 5th grader and the administration felt sorry for her because her home life was "unfortunate"... You don't let "bowling with a school's computer" slide.

Meanwhile the only ones they did discipline were the (white)teachers. I was their prime target and I was often yelled at and berated in front of my students. Forget the students not having respect, the administration has no respect, either!

You are right, things really have changed, the "parents" in the Bronx don't know or care that they are their child's first teachers. They have no idea why or how their 3 year old knows the eff word when they tell them to sit the fvk down.



You're laborers, you're supposed to be laboring! That's what you get for not having an education!!

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GOOD LORD. I feel awful that you have to deal with that. In my previous post I was going to say something regarding your "To Ms. Deem with Love" question, which is that you could seriously consider writing something or collaborating with someone based on what you've posted. I mean, just the small amount you've posted has had an affect on me...I can imagine it affecting a wide audience.

In the 90s I knew a guy from church who was a teacher in Southern California. I can't remember what age group he taught, but he gave me a similar impression as you have about the abuse teachers have to go through from their superiors. It's absolutely ridiculous.

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Hka... I think I will get sued, If I write the book now. I will wait until I am far away from teaching... I don't know when that will be, though.

You're laborers, you're supposed to be laboring! That's what you get for not having an education!!

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>>"Seriously! They were pretty tame compared to the students I teach. I teach elementary school in South Bronx and I have seen everything -- from 1st graders stealing $100+ dollars from their parents and giving the money to their friends at school, to a 5th grader dismantling a Imac Computer and litterally bowling it down the hallway."

So do people hit girls where you teach? You do seem to approve of such stuff.

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Of COURSE I don't approve of it fist of fury (speaking if hitting...)

No they don't hit girls, the girls hit them! and even though there is a NO tolerance policy when it comes to ANYONE hitting, many of the bullies (80% girls) are not really disciplined -- or at least disciplined like it says in the discipline handbook. The computer bowler got 1 day in "detention" (I have to supply her work -- which she never does anyway). She should have been removed from the school.


And before you say anything, if I say anything to the administration about letting the bullies get away with murder, "I WILL be sent to the "Rubber Room" for whistle blowing and employee misconduct." I have been warned by the administration. The Rubber Room is the teacher reassignment center that holds teachers and other school staff like prisoners, some because they haven't found a placement yet and some because they really shouldn't be with children. Many of them have never received charges for being there.

As the poster above me wrote... things change... you could hit children back then (not that I approve of it or do it if I could.) You can hit the students in Florida, and when I was a catholic student in the 80's we were still had our hands whacked with a ruler by the nuns -- in NY.

You're laborers, you're supposed to be laboring! That's what you get for not having an education!!

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I don't think it's fair to compare the students in the film to the students of the 21st century. Forty years later, the ante has been significantly upped. Behavior that seemed horrifying in those days would most likely sound tame by today's standards. You could probably make the same argument for movies, music and television. I know I don't have to tell you this, but things change, attitudes and morals change with the times. Maybe they shouldn't, but they do.


And I have to tip my hat to you for working in a noble, but seemingly thankless profession. I know people don't go into teaching to get rich or to climb the social ladder, and I can only imagine how difficult it must be to work under the conditons you describe. So, I respect your obvious willingness to keep the faith.


Sister, when I've raised hell, you'll know it!

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Well Deem considering your post in the Carrie II Rage board, you do seem to approve of hitting girls. Let me tell you this, my friend, if a man hits a girl that man will go to jail. If I was a police officer, such a person would be locked up so fast he wouldn't know what hit him, it doesn't matter what state you're in or what kind of school you teach at, catholic, ect. Except for cases of self defense, such as if a girl is attacking somebody with a weapon, than hitting a girl is a great way to get a trip to the slammer. Hit a girl and go to jail.

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Since when do we take a disagreement from one board and send it to another, Fist of Fury?

I am a woman and I was hit as child. It doesn't mean that I approve of girls being hit, or that I enjoyed it, myself.

it seems to me that you like hitting, too...
1:your name is fist of fury, for crying out loud! Get it???? Fist (a closed hand) of fury (a form of anger) DUHHHHH!
2: I quote..."IF I was (should be were, mind you) a police officer, such a person would be locked up so fast that he wouldn't know what hit him.\

...Not for nothing, but your information is not only wrong but it also sexist. you do not have to be am man to be sent to jail for hitting a girl. You don't even have to be sent to jail for it... there is such a things as trials in the USA.

Here is what is allowed in NYS... an open handed slap across the cheek or the he behind is considered an appropriate form of discipline. What the step father did in Carrie 2 was just that... one open handed slap. He also grounded her for a week for staying out all night ... a light punishment in my book.


By the way... I found this... it mentiones the kids trying to hit the teacher with things, but not the teacher actually hitting a kid... reference to a student needing a beating, but not an actual beating occurring.

"...Unruly students show disrespect to teacher. Object dropped from window, meant to hit teacher. Reference to student needing beating. Books thrown in classroom. Provoked student attempts to hit teacher with broken table leg."



I have also taught in catholic schools and the kids there are worse in the third grade! We also have much less assistance than they do in the public schools, and more "my kids are perfect" parents.


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>>"I am a woman and I was hit as child. It doesn't mean that I approve of girls being hit, or that I enjoyed it, myself."

You did seem to approve of it in the Carrie 2 boards, or at least refer to it as a light punishment.

>>"it seems to me that you like hitting, too...
1:your name is fist of fury, for crying out loud! Get it???? Fist (a closed hand) of fury (a form of anger) DUHHHHH!"

My IMDB name is a reference to the martial arts and to a movie that Bruce Lee starred in. I use the name because of my fascination and background in the martial arts. I train in the martial arts, however, not to go around looking for fights but rather only for self defense and to further the cause of justice and it also happens to be one of the best forms of exercise there is. The martial arts will really get you in good shape and it will keep you in good shape for life, if you train for life.

>>"2: I quote..."IF I was (should be were, mind you) a police officer, such a person would be locked up so fast that he wouldn't know what hit him."

That was a figure of speech. I didn't mean it as in literally being physically hit, it was an expression and it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

>>"...Not for nothing, but your information is not only wrong but it also sexist. you do not have to be am man to be sent to jail for hitting a girl. You don't even have to be sent to jail for it... there is such a things as trials in the USA."

Its not me, its the law. If somebody hits someone else, in court, the person who did the hitting is much more likely to be heavily charged if he happens to be a man who hit a girl, rather than a man who hit another man or a girl that hit another girl, ect.

>>"Here is what is allowed in NYS... an open handed slap across the cheek or the he behind is considered an appropriate form of discipline. What the step father did in Carrie 2 was just that... one open handed slap. He also grounded her for a week for staying out all night"

And for a man to slap a girl, in most anywhere in the US that will get him in big trouble. Besides, such methods do not work with older children. If a man slaps, hits, strikes, or otherwise gets physical with a teenager the teenager can go to the police, especially if the teenager is a girl. Besides, it often won't work with a teenager. Teenagers are much bigger than small children and are thus much harder to control. It wouldn'tve worked with me, as I stated above I do train in the martial arts. As for Rachel, she did have supernatural powers so she probably could've easily flung him across the room and smashed him into the wall. While Carrie 2 is of course, pretend, my point is that such methods often do not work with teenagers, whether they've got supernatural powers or not and for a man to strike a teenage girl, it can get him in big trouble with the law, anywhere in the country.

>>... a light punishment in my book.

She had a good time going out, she was really happy, and anybody who says she should be punished for that, I wouldn't blame her if she did throw them agains the wall with her powers. If he is against staying out all night than he doesn't have to stay out all night, its that simple. And throughout the whole movie the guy was a complete jerk. Its too bad Rachel didn't do to him what Carrie did to her mom in the first movie.

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There will be no more hitting, eh, Mary Sunday? No more hitting!
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Realise that the movie and book had to take in the sensibilities of the audience of the time. The East End of London in the 60s was rough, as rough as the South Bronx during the 70s.

Love the "Real Genius" quote by the way.

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Columbus... I teach in the south Bronx NOW...
2010... 40 years later and they are still rough and tough -- especially with Uncle Sam's checks in their pockets!

Thanks for your Real Genius line and thank you for noticing that it was a quote...

You're laborers, you're supposed to be laboring! That's what you get for not having an education!!

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I attended Pittsburgh public schools from 1961 to 1974. Corporal punishment was allowed until the early 70's. I remember that teachers couldn't use their hands but were allowed to use rulers, paddles, yeardsticks and chalkboard pointers. Boys could be given a maximum of 10 swats for any single infraction; the maximum for girls was 8 swats. Those fraternity paddles with the air holes were the worst, the smack stung for several minutes. I was told that the brothers and nuns at Pgh. parochial schools back then could use their hands, either to slap or to punch. But you'd have to ask someone who was a student back then to confirm that.
There's no way you could ever reinstitute corporal punishment today, not when the kids and their parents may all carry guns. When I was in school, even the hardest of hard-core hoods didn't use guns. And females generally refrained from violence.

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I'd think that most of these kids come from minority backgrounds, you are apparently supposed to give them a free pass (can't have the white man coming down too hard on them that's racism)

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