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Morally Offensive or Just Plain Stupid?


"I'm sorry Mr. Bond. I don't get the connection."

- Le Chiffre (Orson Welles)

^^ And that line pretty much sums up the whole movie. There's so much insanity on display in "Casino Royale" that it's easy to miss some of the more offensive and outrageous moments. Here's a list of some morally offensive scenes that I and someone else noticed:

1. At McTarry's "M" Castle in Scotland

- M's widow (actually a SMERSH spy ... but never mind) brings out a live goat for slaughter that is carried by "six barefoot virgins" as part of some elaborate Scottish mourning ritual. Later, she points to a painting of an ugly woman on the wall who was raped many years ago by the "canbals." She then explains to James Bond (David Niven) that Lord McTarry, M's ancestor, told his eldest son to go out and rape 12 canbal women in retaliation and that, as a result, children were produced and some of their land was taken. She also mentions that this rape was somehow ordained by Scripture. I suppose all of this is meant to make fun of Scottish culture. Watch this clip and you can judge for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NntND8lwSSU

Moral offense: Women as rape objects, making fun of ugly people, condescending to Scottish culture, and trivializing religion.

2. Peter Sellers and the "dress-up" scene

- At Vesper Lynd's (Ursula Andress) apartment, Evelyn Tremble (Peter Sellers) decides to try on various costumes while Lynd takes pictures of him. This is supposed to be a scene of sexual seduction. One of the costumes that Tremble puts on is that of Adolf Hitler. Dressed as Hitler with the moustache and the swastika, he does the Nazi salute and tells Lynd that "he'll show her his strawberry if she shows him her aprocot." He also dresses up as Napoleon, another dictator. The last outfit he tries on is possibly that of a stereotypical Jew. However, this was very unclear to us. If anyone has any idea what this last outfit was supposed to be, let us know.

Moral offense: The inappropriate use of Adolf Hitler and the swastika for the purpose of comedy, followed by the possible stereotyping of Jews.

3. Jokes about incest, pedophilia, gays, and little people

- When James Bond (David Niven) visits his daughter in India, the insinuation is made that she finds him sexually attractive. She goes so far as to joke that if he weren't her father, she would "fancy him." Keep in mind that Niven's Bond is supposed to be elderly in this movie (according to the wikipedia entry).

- Back at McTarry Castle in Scotland, Niven's Bond is seen getting naked in a bathtub with a young, seventeen year-old girl (another SMERSH agent). The girl jokes that she used to do this all the time with her father and that he used to call her his "thermometer." All of the women at the castle who are trying to seduce Bond, we're told, are between 16 and 19 years of age (except the widow, of course).

- At Q's laboratory, a little person wearing an elf costume is seen stalking the Peter Sellers character and looking at him through binoculars. We're told he's a security guard. Later, when Tremble (Sellers) tries on gear for Q, a mention is made of "midget transmittors." Q's assistant is portrayed as stereotypically gay and humor is derived from having him help Sellers to undress.

Moral offense: Inappropriate and offensive jokes involving underage girls, condescending to little people and gays.

4. Ethnic and cultural stereotyping

- Scottish culture, as mentioned above, features heavily throughout this movie. We see multiple scenes involving bagpipe players (as if that's all Scottish people do) and bizarre, barbaric rituals that don't make any sense.

- In India, men worship James Bond's daughter as some kind of virgin goddess. They exist to worship at her feet while she lives a life of luxury.

- In East Germany during the auction scene, the Chinese are seen betting tons of rice while the Russians bet Vodka and Caviar. Both the Chinese and the Russians are seen sitting in the red-lighted half of the room. In fact, the entirety of East Berlin is lit in red lights while West Berlin is filled with prostitutes. When the Berlin Wall explodes, people are shown fleeing into West Berlin.

- British characters are over-the-top stereotypes. The taxi driver, in one scene, even has the British flag on his back for no other reason than to overemphasize the fact that he's British.

- During the finale at Casino Royale, stereotypical cowboys and indians show up to both help and cause trouble. The cowboys shoot spitballs at people while the indians shoot arrows and carry hatchets. When the indians jump out of the plane, they shout "geronimo" and the letters "007" can be seen painted on their foreheads. Later, they do a pow-wow like dance around a bonfire that they started in the middle of the casino. All of this happens as people run around screaming and dying. Haven't the Native Americans suffered enough that they now have to suffer through the obscenity that is this movie?

- During Tremble's baccarat game with Le Chiffre (Orson Welles), the Sellers character randomly starts speaking in an Indian accent and then, later, in a Chinese accent. What he says during these moments amounts to absolute gibberish.

Moral offense: Cultures and various ethnic groups are depicted in the broadest and most stereotypical manner possible, the Native Americans are brought in simply for cheap laughs.

5. Death and destruction at the Casino Royale

- During the crazy climax of the film, David Niven's Bond at one point hits a button on a casino railing that then shoots ammunition at the people running for their lives in the casino. Are we supposed to find these deaths funny? Are we supposed to assume that the people getting shot at are all agents for SMERSH? It seems reasonable to assume that there were many innocent people there too who didn't deserve to die. Other people are seen being killed by indians and by a roulette wheel/machine that shoots ammunition and ... bubbles? The death count in this movie is very high and there are many jokes involving corpses.

Moral offense: The death of potentially innocent people is meant to be funny.

So, is there anything else that people found to be offensive? Also, is it fair to call this movie offensive? Or, is it just plain stupid?

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Other examples I noticed:

The British taxi driver who had that flag on his back upon arriving in Berlin asked someone on the street where he can find some good "fish and chips".

The French agent in the finale hurts his hand every time he punches somebody, this is playing on the stereotype that French people are weak and cannot fight.

Then there is the fact that the film is filled with sexual perversion of just about every kind. Sure the normal James Bond franchise has sexuality in it but it is usually just normal heterosexual desires. In this movie in addition to the aforementioned numerous references to rape, incest, pedophilia, and poking fun at homosexuality there are a few others.

There are also subtle references to necrophilia. In the spy school in East Berlin there is a "corpse" at the top of the staircase and the woman who runs the school tells Bond's daughter that he was one of her mother's lovers and when asked if he is dead she replies "hard to tell, he always looked like that", perhaps implying that her mother had a thing for corpses. Then there is Vesper Lynd disposing of a corpse in her apartment right before Evelyn Tremble arrives; what in the world was that about? Then there is Evelyn Tremble doing the "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" routine while dressed as Adolf Hitler, a mass murderer. This movie has to be one the most subtly perverted films of all time. How did all this stuff even get past the sensors?

The stuffed tiger in the casino office sticking its tongue out at Bond and Vesper, is this some bizarre reference to beastiality? This coupled with the lions on David Niven's Bond estate, the wailing goat (animal cruelty) carried by six barefoot virgins in the McTury castle, the fighting walruses in the finale and the ape with the toupee eating bubbles shows this film has some bizarre thing for animals.

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You're right. The movie needed to be PC. I just upped my rating to "10!"

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(This movie is harmless)

How do the angels get to sleep when the Devil leaves his porchlight on?

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Go watch and wank at The Human Centipede you hypocrites

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I agree, why do people get so "offended" by relatively harmless films like this when there are such disgusting horrific films being made?

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Henri de Toulouse Lautrec was an alcoholic French Catholic painter whose appearance was affected by poor health. Nobody ever suggested he was Jewish.

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You are missing one important fact: The movie wasn't made in uptight, political-correctness-obsessed 2011.

And thank God for that!



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Hmmm?

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You are missing one important fact: The movie wasn't made in uptight, political-correctness-obsessed 2011.

And thank God for that!
Hallelujah, and AMEN!! The fact that it kept nothing sacred and all jokes were fair-game is one of the things I loved about this---and other films made up into the 1980s! By the 1990s though, a bit of the uptight PC crap started creeping in here and there, and now, it's in full force sadly, as threads like this one prove.

Please excuse typos/funny wording; I use speech-recognition that doesn't always recognize!

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Yeah - "Casino Royale" was made back in the day when people still had a mature sense of humor (not "filthy sophomoric") and could actually laugh at themselves while making non-vindictive fun of others. Watch the old Dean Martin Comedy Roasts for some good old-fashioned, bawdy fun when ADULTS were still in Hollywood. I'd rather watch stuff like this than about 95% of the crap that passes for "entertaining" movies over the past 20 years or so.

"I dislike being outnumbered: it makes for too much stupid in the room." -Sherlock Holmes, BBC's "Sherlock" 2012

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I guess not having a life results in these boring games with movies
Wonderland Exile

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I've always had a strange affection for this movie - and as it's a James Bond movie (I'm saying it is. It's not as goofy and out there as, say, 'Diamonds are Forever', but still...), I not only expect a generous amount of sex, violence, and general dirty deeds, I demand it.

However, I am put off by the incest references. When Sir James goes to Castle Anthraaa-McTarry, he meets M's 'daughters', all adopted, who had some questionable relations. (You 'tested the temperature of the bath water for your daddy'. Yeah, that's what you did.) Granted, they're all really agents, but this is supposed to tempt Sir James, and not make him speed dial Chris Hansen?

So off we go, and Scotland is a distant memory, and then Mata Bond (probably my favorite character) tells him "If you weren't my dad, I'd fancy you". That's when I mentally bolt out of my seat and go "Gah! What is your deal, movie?"

Everything else I can file under 'rule of funny'. The rest of the time I'm squirming in my seat is from the plentiful labored humor. But I'll squirm through it just the same.

BTW, OP, that last costume Peter Sellers is wearing is iconic French artist Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec. Funny, he doesn't look Jewish...

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Are you for real?

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Stupidest post in the history of IMDB.

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Even if you don't think the movie needs to be politically correct there is still the fact that IMO the movie's jokes about these things are not funny. Even putting aside all moral implications, how in the world are things like six barefoot virgins carrying off a wailing goat, looking at a picture of an ugly woman and talking about how she was raped as prescribed by scripture and a stuttering James Bond getting in a bathtub and talking about incest with an underage girl supposed to be funny? Those are just A FEW examples of the insanity in this movie. Maybe that is the idea, it is just so insane and nonsensical that it is supposed to make you laugh. I know the only laughs I ever got out of this movie was just sheer disbelief in the mind blowing insanity I was watching on the screen. This has to be one of the worst movies ever made.

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Oh come on! Anyone watching it for the first time needs to be warned?? Anyone offended by this silliness should be living in a monastery. They're too sensitive to live in the real world.

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Lol, ok, that makes sense. I didn't think you were that much of a puritan! Thanks for clearing that up.

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what makes me laugh even more, in a weird kind of way, is that you all talk about this movie being all sick and demented/perverted and dumb but then you will be perfectly fine with stupidass movies like the american pie movies, gross disgusting movies like clockwork orange, or animal house or the recent spring break all those stupid sex comedies that have come out over the years. this however benefits from being completely anti-political correctness and of course the fact its a completely bizarre totally 1960's trippy pshycadelic weird sex movie. its silly and bizzare but thats what its supposed to be. it is a spoof however, completely unrelated to anything james bond accept the name.

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Lighten up. It's supposed to be a spoof. What are you...autistic or something?

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Don't be nasty to autistic people. They are a lot smarter than the OP.

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