Now, juggling with the episode order once again, we get to the moment when it's election time in the Village and a new Number Two needs to be elected. Number Six is persuaded to stand.
Let me guess: he gets elected by a landslide, becomes the new Number 2, becomes privy to the most confidential secrets of the Village. Or perhaps (and that wouldn't be a stretch considering the kind of show this is) he figures a new and diabolical means to interrogate himself on why he resigned.
And now the results of my "psychological experiment":
Presenting the opening of the next PRISONER episode.
[FADE IN] Number 6 wakes up in his bed, gets up, and goes to the window. He throws open the curtains to see a familiar place.
Number 6: Where am I?
Voice (in the distance): Muncie, Indiana
Number 6: What do you want?
Voice: A Soroban Abacus
Number 6: Whose side are you on?
Voice: The sunny side of the street. And we want a Soroban Abacus, A SOROBAN ABACUS.
Number 6: You won’t get it!
Voice: By book or by look, we will.
Number 6: Who are you?
Voice: The new number 72.
Number 6: Who is number one?
Voice: Maxwell Smart. Oh no, he’s number 86. So darn many numbers to remember.
Number 6: I am not a number! I am a free man!
Voice: (laughs uproariously repeatedly twice) Oh stop it, Number Three. You know I’m ticklish!
[FADE OUT]
Okay, now the real reasons for my questions should be painfully obvious. I’ve just seen that opening so many times in my life, I couldn’t resist having some fun with it, and what better way to have fun with it that to have you guys help me out. It’s something Steve Allen used to do years ago. He’s ask the audience for nouns, famous names and other things. Then he’d do – say - a detective sketch and insert those words into it as character names, murder weapons or what have you. So I took a cue from him for this famous show opening.
Ok, as I promised, what have you learned about yourselves? First, that you’re curious, which is a good thing. In a sense this whole group is built on curiosity about things like why a show failed, or just what it was like. Second, you’re all people willing to help out a fellow human being without asking a lot of question; in short, you’re all good sports. (By the way, I hold no grudge again wlcebtg for not participating. He probably just never saw my invitation buried among all these posts). Thank you all for your help! I hope you got at least one good laugh out of it.
by brimfin » 22 hours ago (Thu Jan 29 2015 18:43:57) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And now the results of my "psychological experiment":
Presenting the opening of the next PRISONER episode.
[FADE IN] Number 6 wakes up in his bed, gets up, and goes to the window. He throws open the curtains to see a familiar place.
Number 6: Where am I?
Voice (in the distance): Muncie, Indiana
Number 6: What do you want?
Voice: A Soroban Abacus
Ha! Good one. We can always count on a creative input from you. Good to remember Maxwell Smart. I have been, in fact, wondering when we're going to come across Numbers 86 or 99.
I would just have said, "the" soroban abacus. It would sound more mysterious if they were talking about a specific object. Anyway, the reason I thought of a soroban is because it would fit as a mysterious coding/decoding device, just in the espionage mood. But there's a personal reason as well.
Recently I've decided to improve my math because of the entrance test for some civil servant positions, which involves math. During this process, I learned about the abacus.
And it so happens that carpentry is one of my pastimes, and I'm not bad at doing woodwork. So, why not make my own soroban? Because of that I've been involved in this little building challenge over the last couple of weeks.
It's just that... Wait a minute! Wasn't I supposed to be studying math instead? Now you can see I have much to improve.
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Something I've been thinking about... "You are Number 6." "I'm not a number! I'm a person!" "OK. What's your name then?" "I'd rather not say. You can refer to me as Number 6." Oh, well, go figure...
Well, well. Our bizarre show took a turn to the "bizzarrer." I won't pretend I understood everything I just saw. And on several moments I had the same expression Number 6 had during his electoral brainwashing process.
OK, we can all agree that the message remains basically the same: no matter how much Number 6 thinks he can conquer, they are always in complete control. And they'll do any kind of mind game just to get him off his balance, mentally and emotionally, but not, until now, physically. After all, you must not damage the tissue.
I get the idea they are throwing in his face, "You think you can escape, but you're still a prisoner. You may think you have a meager crumb of power, but you have none. You may think you can make a difference, but you can't. We own you." It's a game just like the name of the pub with non-alcoholic beverages that "taste the same": The Cat and Mouse. And like the drinks in The Cat and Mouse, this election, and consequent victory, are things that taste the same, but are fundamentally different in their essence.
Here we have an old and apparently senseless saying we use when something is for show, just to maintain appearances: it's for an Englishman to see. Well, this election was "for an Englishman to see." I mean, metaphorically and literally.
The episode also served as a bitter reminder of the uselessness of modern democracies, at least according to their most disappointed critics. Which is, the theatrics is all there. WE have the candidates with their respective numbers, the excited crowds of voters, the eager journalists, the whole election mechanics. But what does in really change? Aren't we all just fooling ourselves just like poor Number 6 did when he was "in power" and decreed everybody was "free to go"?
Back to the episode, several moments left me puzzled. Like the strange thought-reading machine with a square and a circle that moved towards his silhouette. What the heck was that? And a really chilling moment was when I thought Number 6 had caught Number 2 in a moment of vulnerability drinking, but, again, it was all a ruse. There's also the moment when he decided to run and instantly a giant picture of him appears out of nowhere carried by supporters he didn't know he had, or the real-time printed news about his "political positions" appearing on the latest issue of the Tally Ho seconds after the reporter writes down Number 6's mock answers and the photographer takes his picture. Just thinking of these and other weird moments makes my head hurt.
And the cherry in the top of the cake was the revelation that the eager but oblivious lady assistant who didn't speak a word of English was, in fact, the new Number 2. At least the old Number 2 was really leaving his position. That part was true. Mixing lies with the truth helps to scramble one's brain even more.
I do hope some of you help unscramble this conundrum in reviews smarter than mine. This episode gets 8 votes from me.
There's also the moment when he decided to run and instantly a giant picture of him appears out of nowhere carried by supporters he didn't know he had, or the real-time printed news about his "political positions" appearing on the latest issue of the Tally Ho seconds after the reporter writes down Number 6's mock answers and the photographer takes his picture. Just thinking of these and other weird moments makes my head hurt.
The point of that little scene is that #6 was already package and ready to go as a candidate. If you remember during the interview, #6 says, "No Comment" and the reporter filled in a generic positive answer. The whole thing was to create an illusion that the people in the village actually had some say in their life. In reality the photos and interviewed were already completed before #2 asked #6 to run.
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by JohnQ1127 » The point of that little scene is that #6 was already package and ready to go as a candidate. If you remember during the interview, #6 says, "No Comment" and the reporter filled in a generic positive answer. The whole thing was to create an illusion that the people in the village actually had some say in their life. In reality the photos and interviewed were already completed before #2 asked #6 to run.
That's precisely what I thought, indeed. They wanted to give him the impression that he'd chosen to run, but then threw it in his face that they already knew he would, and were ready for that. There was no escaping the process. he was part of the plan, whther he liked it or not.
I said my head hurt because it was bizarre, and everyone was behaving like they were all on drugs or something. Like brainless automata. Why would these people read reaction words from cue cards? Why would they show posters of Number 6 on cue? Why would they so willingly follow every prompt the powers-that-be dictated?
But yes, I agree, the meaning was clear.
Something I forgot, but now remembered: Number 2: "Are you going to run?" Number 6: "As fast as I can." (Or something along those lines.)
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That's precisely what I thought, indeed. They wanted to give him the impression that he'd chosen to run, but then threw it in his face that they already knew he would, and were ready for that. There was no escaping the process. he was part of the plan, whther he liked it or not.
If you remember they brainwashed him twice, so it looks like this had been plained in advance that the whole elaborate "election" was really just a huge scheme to get him to cooperate.
It really seems like in this early episodes that they are really trying to break his will so he will learn that escape is impossible.
I said my head hurt because it was bizarre, and everyone was behaving like they were all on drugs or something. Like brainless automata. Why would these people read reaction words from cue cards? Why would they show posters of Number 6 on cue? Why would they so willingly follow every prompt the powers-that-be dictated?
I guess the point of that is that the warders will go along because that's their job and the prisoners are so heavily brainwashed and indoctrinated that they will go along as well. I guess it's just like any system, once you're fully indoctrinated you'll willfully go along with any activity.
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Years ago, I attended a science-fiction/fantasy convention and among other things they had rooms with presentations of various SF/Fantasy type shows. (They had to run them from reel-to-reel film on projectors; this was back in the late 70’s.) This episode was their selection for THE PRISONER, and I remember not being very impressed by it. Unfortunately, this re-viewing of it hasn’t improved my opinion of it.
Overall, it seems to be all an elaborate ruse to subject Number 6 to some interrogation techniques under the guise of being tested for his worthiness to run for office. In the end, it’s all just a sham and Number 2 apparently wasn’t even who he pretended to be. Along the way, they try to do some satire about how campaigns and elections have no real meaning. But the only scene that really works is where a reporter keeps inventing campaign jargon when Number 6 says “no comment,” then when he responds “Mind your own business,” the reporter writes, “no comment.” I remember that’s where everyone laughed when I saw it at the convention. I noticed that the reporter’s number was 113 – a subtle nod to BRIMSTONE. (Well, except for the fact that BRIMSTONE was 31 years later in another country on a different network and had absolutely nothing to do with this show.)
Other than that, it’s a boatload of nonsense. Number 2 seemed to be a position occupied by different people from week to week, yet here we’re told the position is up for election every 12 months and this one is running for a second term? Has Number 6 been there for a few years now? In the opening, the cheering crowd shouts “Number Two. Number Two,” and then the minute Number 6 throws his hat in the ring, the crowd is ready with a poster and a new chant instantly. So, no surprise it’s all bogus. I like that Number 6 promises them more leisure time, but what exactly do these people do? There are maids and taxi drivers around and I guess somebody cooks, but it’s more like the Villagers are the equivalent of rich people who have servants do all the work. So what do they need more leisure time for?
Meanwhile, the Prisoner is getting dosed with drugs again. At one point, he just goes nuts and tries to escape on a motorboat. The only trouble is it’s in broad daylight with a helicopter hovering over him. I was waiting for Number 2 to say, “You do know I’m hovering right over you, don’t you?” When the bubble is released, rather than plow the motorboat into it which might puncture and destroy the thing, he cleverly jumps out of the boat leaving himself completely exposed to the breath-smothering device instead. Later, he is at a pub (called “The Cat and Mouse” – now that was appropriate) being told that all drinks are non-alcoholic and taste the same. He demands something to drink even though he’s acting like he’s drunk already. Later he passes out, and we’re told he’s being dosed with something – as if we hadn’t already guessed.
Number 6 wins the election by a landslide (more like an avalanche) and is brought into Town Hall. But rather than ask to see Number 1, he is persuaded by his Russian maid to play with the control buttons. Then he’s slapped by the maid and beat up by a bunch of thugs (as the henchmen were on lunch break) and dumped back in front of the maid, who is apparently the real Number 2 for the week. “Will you never learn?” she asks him. Learn what, exactly? That the people who run the Village are a bunch of deceitful con artists? That’ll help next time they try to interrogate him. “Tell us the truth, and we’ll give you a position in our organization.” “Yeah, like you let me get ‘elected’ that time? Not falling for that again, buster.” The only thing he learned is that they don’t really have free and fair elections in the Villlage. Gosh, wasn’t that a shocker?
So let’s see if I can come up with some good things about this episode:
1. No dogs were harmed or killed during the show. 2. I liked the “no comment” scene. 3. I liked the name of the pub.
Okay, so I guess I award this 3 speeches written on big cue cards. Better luck with next week’s episode.
Number 2 seemed to be a position occupied by different people from week to week, yet here we’re told the position is up for election every 12 months and this one is running for a second term?
Well, remember that this is really just the 2nd or 3rd episode in the series so he's not that familiar with situation of #2. We already watched things he did in Chimes of Big Ben and A, B, & C when he is much more savvy about the system. We also don't really know how much time has gone by between episodes. Also, It's not necessarily a reelection to give #2 a second term, it's a chance once a year to "unseat" a #2. Sort of like the Heavy Weight boxing champ giving some unsuspecting contender a title shot once a year.
“Will you never learn?” she asks him. Learn what, exactly?
Well, will he learn that there's no use in trying to escape or trying to fight the system.
At one point, he just goes nuts and tries to escape on a motorboat.
Again this was supposed to be the 3rd episode so he's still unfamiliar with his chances to escape. Also this was supposed to be "before" "The Chimes of Big Ben".
The best part of this episode is that it gives us a definite answer to the question I posed last week. How would I have responded to the show if it were brand new and I watched it in this order?
"Arrival": This looks like it could be a really good show.
"Dance of the Dead": What the hell was that? (Which, by the way, was my exact reaction to Night Gallery's "Moon Mouse" episode.) But let's see what they do next week.
"Free for All": OK, that's enough of that. What else is on?
What's amazing is that several episodes are very well done, but here they've given us two in a row that are just awful. Does anyone, including #6, really believe for a moment that there was any chance at all that they would actually let him take over and release everyone? Or have any power at all? And his being new has nothing to do with it. On the very day he arrived and realized he was being held prisoner, if #2 had offered to put him in charge and give him power to let everyone go, should he have believed it? Of course not; that's absurd. So the whole election was obviously nonsense to anyone. It's one thing to make him think he could escape, so they could trick him into talking or to dash his hopes, as they did with "The Chimes of Big Ben" and the helicopter bit in "Arrival". But what purpose could possibly be served by anything so obviously contrived to fail? Utter silliness.
The episode gets 4 stuffed ballot boxes. And whoever decided not to jettison the audience by running these two turkeys in the #2 and 3 slots gets a solid 10 corner offices.
“Will you never learn?” she asks him. Learn what, exactly? (brimfin) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, will he learn that there's no use in trying to escape or trying to fight the system. (JohnQ1127)
I would buy that reasoning if this whole plan was something Number 6 had initiated. Let's say, he had seen someone running for the office and persuaded him to drop out and let him try instead. Or that they had given him a campaign manager, and then he refused him and said, "No, I want to use this Russian maid instead," thinking he was outsmarting them.
But, they initiated the whole thing, suggesting he run for office, appointing the "maid" as his campaign manager. They told him that if he won, he would meet Number 1 and assume the trappings of Number 2's office. Then, when he wins the office they just beat him up and say, "Ha, ha, we were just fooling." He already knew he was a prisoner and that escape was nearly impossible. This didn't prove anything that he didn't already know. That was why I wasn't impressed with the episode the first time. reply share
I would buy that reasoning if this whole plan was something Number 6 had initiated. Let's say, he had seen someone running for the office and persuaded him to drop out and let him try instead.
I see your point. But remember #6 went along with this charade initially just because he had nothing better to do then he was brainwashed twice because he refused to participate in this whole fake election.
They told him that if he won, he would meet Number 1 and assume the trappings of Number 2's office. Then, when he wins the office they just beat him up and say, "Ha, ha, we were just fooling." He already knew he was a prisoner and that escape was nearly impossible.
In many ways I see #6 in these early episodes like Wile E. Coyote or Charlie Brown with the football and the various #2's play the Lucy or Road Runner roles. They're toying with him in these early episode trying to break him emotionally.
He already knew he was a prisoner and that escape was nearly impossible. This didn't prove anything that he didn't already know.
He doesn't know that escape is nearly impossible because this is supposed to be episode 2-3. Remember this episode was supposed to take place "before" the events of "Chimes of Big Ben". This is the problem of watching "Chimes" second. Chimes is a turning point after the first four episodes with the elaborate escape. Then #2 gets far more aggressive in trying to extract "information" in ABC.
Again were viewing these out of order and we've already seen where #6 is far more savvy in Chimes and ABC.
Also I think it's important to view the series and this episode in allegorical terms with aspects of surrealism mixed into the story telling. McGoohan is making certain critiques of the process of elections and the functions of the press in western democracies. reply share
He doesn't know that escape is nearly impossible because this is supposed to be episode 2-3. Remember this episode was supposed to take place "before" the events of "Chimes of Big Ben". This is the problem of watching "Chimes" second. Chimes is a turning point after the first four episodes with the elaborate escape. Then #2 gets far more aggressive in trying to extract "information" in ABC. (JohnQ1127)
I'm not basing my statements on "The Chimes of Big Ben." My computer was down and I haven't watched it yet. I was planning to try to catch it in sequence soon. I was basing his inability to escape on the drive away attempt ("Arrival"), the helicopter attempt (also "Arrival") the beach in the middle of the night attempt ("Dance of the Dead") as well as all those darn surveillance cameras and the fact he is obviously cut off from civilization. I didn't think this episode proved anything because they didn't break some plan of his, but essentially one of their own.
Also, regarding his attempt to escape on the motorboat, it was clear when he did it that he wasn't thinking rationally - the result of the drugging, no doubt. It was clearly a crazy idea, just because of the helicopter hovering over him if nothing else. Again, on this, my statements were not influenced by "Chimes of Big Ben", which I haven't yet seen. (But I guess I should catch it soon.)
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I'm not basing my statements on "The Chimes of Big Ben." My computer was down and I haven't watched it yet.
Sorry, I forgot you didn't have access that week.
I was basing his inability to escape on the drive away attempt ("Arrival"), the helicopter attempt (also "Arrival") the beach in the middle of the night attempt ("Dance of the Dead") as well as all those darn surveillance cameras and the fact he is obviously cut off from civilization.
Well, he doesn't know where he is exactly so he could actually only be a few hours away from civilization. That's only 3 escape attempts before this episode and a character like #6 isn't likely to give up that easily.
I'm not sure why you're focusing on the "escape attempt" aspect of this episode seeing that the motor boat incident was such a minor plot point?
It's really mainly an episode satirizing western political elections and their political process.
These early episodes are just episodes where the #2's are just toying with 6 trying to break him emotionally.
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In this episode The Prisoner takes a jab at Western Democracies.
This is an early episode so you can see that #2 really wants 6 to belong to the village and take part in the activities. #6 really gets it in this one. He's brainwashed 2 times and he's beat up 2 times and then gets captured by the Rover.
In the beginning #2 asks 6 to take part in the locale elections because it's "bad" for morale when there's only one candidate. There are speeches given with pre programed crowds cheering on cue. Interviews are written before they are given. 6 knows that this is all a farce but goes along with it because he has to be here anyway. One suspects that 6 also wants to learn more about his surroundings. There's an interesting part in the speech where 6 brings up the notion of prisoners and warders. Who's who? We never fully know and neither does 6. The whole thing is an elaborate spectacle to give the illusion of participation.
6 goes to the town hall to see a lobotomized "town council" which further goes to display this farce. #6 resists the election and then is brainwashed into the model empty political candidate. There's a bit of dark comedy as the interrogator was "found from the civil service".
#6 through the power of free will breaks through the brainwashing and attempts to escape by boat. It's a futile effort as Rover is quick to follow him guided by #2.
#6 is then brainwashed again into the perfect political candidate and starts rallying the people with his BS.
Meanwhile #58 has been working as a chamber maid for 6 and speaks no English. 6 goes to a pub that serves no alcohol and #58 suggest a place that has alcohol. It's actually a small cave where #2 keeps his still. #2 appears to be drunk and there seems to actually be a bit of an honest dialogue between the two. In reality #2 is playing him and drugs him.
The election comes in and #6 wins in a landslide. He goes to #2 office seemingly as the new #2 in charge of the village. In a moment of sheer adrenaline he starts to notify all the village to escape now when you have a chance. It's a action in futility as they're so brainwashed that they wouldn't leave and there probably didn't hear it anyway. #58 starts slapping the *beep* out of him and he attempts to escape but is badly beaten up. He's brought back to see #58 only to see her wearing the #2 badge. He had been played from the beginning.
*This is an early episode and 6 isn't very savvy about the village.
*This was actually written by McGoohan under his synonym "Paddy Fitz"
*Eric Portman who played #2 was actually quite ill during filming and died shortly thereafter.
*Rachel Herbert gives a fine performance going from airhead chamber maid to shrewd and sadistic #2. She actually doesn't speak any language, it's just gibberish meant to sound Polish or Russian.
Another beating this week this show is so strange that I just don’t get it. Number 2 runs for election really we all know they are not going to put him in charge. The one thing I know for sure is he isn’t going to talk no matter what they do to him it’s not going to happen. The next thing he going to run he has to he’s a super secret agent just like our own Agent Stone. Again the bouncing ball is not going let him escape. Nothing else is going to happen. The balloon sequences are the only thing I remember from show when it aired in the sixties. I hope they get better as we move on through this series it just too crazy for me. If I had to choose between the Prisoner or Dora I think I will go with Dora.
Maybe you were supposed to be tripping when watching this show.
Stone you called this one right UFO is far and above this one.