Apparently, still suffering from newcomer's jitters, Number Six, along with his new BFF/next-door neighbour, Nadia (I fail to recognize that particular number...), formulates (you guessed right) an escape plan, because I'm totally sure Number 6 can trust her implicitly!
To cover their plans of escape Number Six enters the Village arts and crafts exhibition competition. Well, maybe the world has lost a spy, but perhaps it has gained a creative artist instead.
Well, well. Obviously, duh, Number 6 wasn't going to escape in the second episode. Unless... Unless I had a mixed up episode order, in which case I would've helped ruin our little dramatic experience. But the way things ended, it seems we can have a great deal more of adventures in the village. I just hope it's not just the same pretend escape like the last two times.
OK, Numbers 6 and 8 supposedly arrive in Poland, and in the 1960s that was a communist country, or "behind the Iron curtain" as Fotheringay points out. And 6 couldn't be walking around talking to people willy-nilly or he'd be caught and arrested by the local communist authorities. So, I understand why he trusted Nadia's contact the whole time.
However, the whole thing seemed staged or like a nightmare which never ends. At no moment he goes into a city or see any large group of people, streets, cars, etc. He's just put inside a crate and, after a whole bunch of stock footage images of a ship, a plane, a truck, he gets to a room with a few people he thought he knew. And I'm surprised he accepted being taken throughout England inside the crate. The moment he found out he was in his country, I don't see why he wouldn't just take regular means of transportation for the rest of the way. The whole story seemed amateurishly developed, or brilliantly crafted if something we learning later episodes explains why things happened this way. Let's wait and see.
The way 6 built his "abstract canoe" was also unreal. First he worked with a prehistorical tool, and oh boy, was that ax efficient! It was enough to cut a tree down and carve it in the shape he needed. And he didn't even break a sweat doing it. I could swear this whole "village" scenario must be in his head, because only then things would make a lick of sense. After all, you could build a whole ocean liner with an ice pick in a dream. Again, let's wait for the big finale for me to see if I'm marginally on the right track.
I think they should keep one Number 2 as Number 6's nemesis. The first time #2 was replaced it was a jolting move. Number 2, who was nice, had failed, so they bought a new Number 2 who was more obnoxious. Now the change doesn't have the same impact. But Number 2's ruse didn't work, and Nadia said something like "Nice try," but it's clear to me this #2 failed and we won't be seeing him next week. But what happens to the "retired" Number 2s? (Don't answer!)
I just don't know why some people have said we don't know what side Number 6 is. To me it'll be a big surprise if he isn't working for the British government, or some sort of rogue agency. We know he lives in London, and from the dialogue we can surmise he was reporting to some government agency. And 6 supposedly sent a message from "behind the Iron Curtain" and Fotheringay reacted as Number 6 expected (Poland is in enemy territory), so Number 6 can't be a communist spy. I know nothing is said directly besides the fact his home is in London and he drives a puny little car, but from now on I'll consider him a British agent.
This show walks on a fine line between brilliance and incompetence. OK, this time, it gets Number 6, or 6 paleolithic axes.
I just don't know why some people have said we don't know what side Number 6 is. To me it'll be a big surprise if he isn't working for the British government, or some sort of rogue agency. We know he lives in London, and from the dialogue we can surmise he was reporting to some government agency.
Yeah, we assume he's an ex British agent but we don't know if he's flipped to the other side. There's also an ambiguity as to who is running the village. Is this just a a Western village or is this a village jointly run by both sides? Or is this all a ruse and there really are no "sides" everybody just works under the umbrella of a world order etc.
The series is also steeped with allegory so it's not just a series about Western vs East Bloc spies.
The way 6 built his "abstract canoe" was also unreal. First he worked with a prehistorical tool, and oh boy, was that ax efficient! It was enough to cut a tree down and carve it in the shape he needed. And he didn't even break a sweat doing it.
I'll agree with you that they could have made it a look like it took more effort to cut down those trees with cave man tools. At least they could have made the guy break into a sweat. I kind of like that his abstract art ended up being a boat, I thought that was kind of cleaver. #2 knew the whole story all along so the whole thing was a set up or a long con. The only mistake #2 made was forgetting about the time zone change.
I remember the first time I saw it and I really did think he was back in London.
One of the problems of showing "The Chimes of Big Ben" is that it really should be shown as the #5 or #4 episode. The problem is that they broadcasted this episode second. The A & E DVD sets placed this as the #5. If you notice in this episode it doesn't really feel like the #2 episode because #6 familiarity and comfort with the place. There's also a feeling that #6 has been here longer since we first saw him in "Arrival". The first season of Star Trek also has a problem with episode air date and production order.
Leo McKern is one of my favorite #2. The one thing that is very interesting about his #2 is that he actually thinks that the Village is the inevitable future of the world. He's fully vested in the Village as the preferable future for mankind. There's a great little scene with him and #6 by the beach. He also has a great rapport with #6 as he's essentially lying through his teeth.
There's a good little scene with #6 and the General when they play chess.
I like how #6 is defiant by putting the radio in the fridge.
It's also chilling how all the arts and crafts are all essentially painting or drawings of #2.
Number 2 find a bit of a weakness with #6 as he feels sorry for her because he believes her to be suicidal. First with the swim and then later with the electric shock floor.
Number 2 is also playing the long con and not going for the direct aggressive approach.
The one thing that's really good about this series is that we want to know why #6 resigned and we also want him to succeed. So even though telling #2 why he resigned would be pleasurable to the viewer it would also be disappointing as well.
This episode works as a pretty good spy story escape and we almost buy it in the end and there's a cleaver reveal with the Chimes being off.
I'm out this week - sorry. I have nothing to play this week's episode on. My Crappy New Year continues. My laptop acts up at home, but not at the store. They tell me it's the other computer on my home network causing the problem. They now have that at the store, debugging it. So with the other machine gone, and my laptop diagnosed as fine, it should work fine on its own now, right? Wrong! It's still slow as molasses, get weird error messages, and acts like crap. I made one attempt to watch the episode on YOUTUBE. The picture freezes while the sound plays. No need to continue the abuse. If by some miracle they can fix this soon, I'll try to do this week's episode later. For now, it's a lost cause. I wouldn't be in a very generous mood this week anyway - which is sad, as I recall this is a really good episode. So long for now. Be seeing you, I hope.
Have you ever thought about getting a Roku device or Apple TV? I wouldn't tell you to spend the money just for this but I think you can get a Roku device for about $50.
by brimfin » 7 hours ago (Sat Jan 10 2015 03:00:55) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm out this week - sorry. I have nothing to play this week's episode on.
I'm so sorry to learn that. Just imagine, someone who can't do something because of a lack of computers... At this day and age, that's unheard of. We have so many old equipment lying around here that one of them would do the trick. Well, I hope you get your stuff fixed as soon as possible.
by JohnQ1127 » 13 hours ago (Fri Jan 9 2015 20:44:25) --------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, we assume he's an ex British agent but we don't know if he's flipped to the other side. There's also an ambiguity as to who is running the village. Is this just a a Western village or is this a village jointly run by both sides? Or is this all a ruse and there really are no "sides" everybody just works under the umbrella of a world order etc.
The series is also steeped with allegory so it's not just a series about Western vs East Bloc spies.
OK, I meant *originally* he is or was a British agent. If he turned or was working for a fourth or third parties, I grant such issues would be open. Again, as I said, he could be working for a rogue agency.
Yes, of course it's an allegory, but even an allegory requires something concrete to represent it. But I agree that concrete something can represent a number of things. For a moment when you said "Western" village, I thought of cowboys, thieves and a sheriff.
There's a good little scene with #6 and the General when they play chess.
Yes, that is a pure metaphor. Lots of meaning in quick scenes.
I like how #6 is defiant by putting the radio in the fridge.
And adding three lumps of sugar to his tea instead of two.
It's also chilling how all the arts and crafts are all essentially painting or drawings of #2.
I'd be inspired by Number 2's charisma as well!
Number 2 is also playing the long con and not going for the direct aggressive approach.
I wonder how much their patience will last with con jobs. At some point there should be a more impatient Number 2 with more direct methods in mind.
The one thing that's really good about this series is that we want to know why #6 resigned and we also want him to succeed. So even though telling #2 why he resigned would be pleasurable to the viewer it would also be disappointing as well.
Right on the spot! And he can't utter his secret to a single soul. If I were Number 6 I'd start making up stories about why I resigned and spreading them discreetly to different people. You know, do some mind tricks of my own.
This episode works as a pretty good spy story escape and we almost buy it in the end and there's a cleaver reveal with the Chimes being off.
Did you mean "clever" or is a "cleaver" reveal also a metaphor, a reveal as sharp and piercing as a cleaver?
For a moment when you said "Western" village, I thought of cowboys, thieves and a sheriff.
Lol, I actually thought the same thing when I read it back. It's funny how some of that Cold War terrminology seems so archaic now.
Did you mean "clever" or is a "cleaver" reveal also a metaphor, a reveal as sharp and piercing as a cleaver?
Yeah "clever". I actually caught that when I typed it but I didn't go back to fix it.
What I find interesting re-watching this is some of the technology. It's easy to forget that this was made almost 50 years when color tv was in it's infancy. telephones were corded with rotary dials. Speakers were low range attached by wires, most of the time they were small built into the phongraph. There was no video chatting. Everything was essentially analog. Home computers were non existent. No VCR's, no audio cassettes.
#6 essentially has a Bluetooth speaker in his apartment. The phones in the village are cordless. They video chat with one another.
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This one was quite good, even though I knew the ending. Actually, I remembered this one in much more detail than any of the others, and "Arrival" was second in my memory, so from here out, it's all essentially "new", except for "Many Happy Returns".
What did we learn from this episode? I think we're in agreement that No. 6 was working for British Intelligence, though one could argue that may not be correct. Here, I think, we get a strong suggestion that it may very well be the British running The Village. Here's why: When 6 arrives in "London" he's greeted by some of the higher-ups in his former organization. They are obviously in on the scam, so either British Intelligence is running the show, or they are riddled with double agents in very high places. I think the former is more likely.
What about the question of the reason for his resignation? Now, this has always been a very odd part of the series for me. First, given the opening of the pilot episode, it's all but unbelievable that he never gave a reason in the first place. I could see it if he had simply dropped the boss a note saying, "I'm out of here, Charlie, have a good life." But he didn't do that. He took all the trouble to go to the guy in person, yell, pound his fist on the desk and tell him...nothing? I can hear it now, "OK, dammit, this is the end! I've had enough of something I'm not mentioning! I quit! And I'm not (pounds the desk) telling you why! This unmentionable thing really has me torqued (pacing and grimacing)! And that's why I personally came here to not tell you about it, and to personally deliver to you this (slams fat resignation letter on table) written non-explanation of none of my reasons! And now that I've gotten nothing off my chest, I'm going back to my flat, packing, and going home to Mother." All told, this reminds me of Wait Until Dark, where the woman is threatened by three thugs who are after a doll full of heroin, and she could make them go away by just turning it over to them, but doesn't. Well, we won't go into that movie here, but my point is, why wouldn't he tell them in the first place? And why not now? After all, he could just give them some B.S. reason, and what are they going to do? "Sorry, that's not the answer we were expecting, so we'll jusk keep you here?" I'm hoping this gets developed better as we go. For now, it's an odd mystery.
It seems also that Mission: Impossible "borrowed" the basis of this plot for one of their own. They had an East German spy and tricked him into thinking that he'd been returned home so he could be debriefed by "his side", essentially by the same sort of trick. But there, it worked.
Still, overall it was an engaging story, kept moving and kept you guessing. I'm staying with 10 boats built with stone knives and bearskins (more or less).
by dtmuller » What did we learn from this episode? I think we're in agreement that No. 6 was working for British Intelligence, though one could argue that may not be correct. Here, I think, we get a strong suggestion that it may very well be the British running The Village. Here's why: When 6 arrives in "London" he's greeted by some of the higher-ups in his former organization. They are obviously in on the scam, so either British Intelligence is running the show, or they are riddled with double agents in very high places. I think the former is more likely.
You have a good point there. But when I saw the episode, I went with the "riddle with double agents" option. This is also why I thought of a rogue British agency as well. Perhaps the master mind behind everything is an all-powerful millionaire and Bond-type villain, like Mr. Scorpion (this one actually from The Simpsons). But if I had to guess, I'd say I'm practically sure who's infiltrated British Intelligence so deeply: HYDRA!
"OK, dammit, this is the end! I've had enough of something I'm not mentioning! I quit! And I'm not (pounds the desk) telling you why! This unmentionable thing really has me torqued (pacing and grimacing)! And that's why I personally came here to not tell you about it, and to personally deliver to you this (slams fat resignation letter on table) written non-explanation of none of my reasons! And now that I've gotten nothing off my chest, I'm going back to my flat, packing, and going home to Mother."
Ha! That got me laughing for ten minutes straight! A folow-up line could be: "Well, I can see you're so worked up about absolutely NOTHING, and I respect that." "It's not NOTHING. It's definitely SOMETHING, of which I can't or won't talk. I know that for you that could be ANYTHING, but there's a difference, and to me it represents EVERYTHING. So, don't you dare say it's NOTHING!"
What about the question of the reason for his resignation? (...) why wouldn't he tell them in the first place? And why not now? After all, he could just give them some B.S. reason, and what are they going to do? "Sorry, that's not the answer we were expecting, so we'll jusk keep you here?
Wouldn't it be great if in fact Number 6 wasn't telling his reason for resignation simply because it didn't sound GOOD ENOUGH? He could say something like, "Why I resigned? Well, it could've been because of that botched black ops operation that resulted in the death of that kid in my arms in yugoslavia, or the time we helped put down a democratically elected government in South America, or even when we had an innocent scientist assassinated in Czechoslovakia just for them not to work for the other side. But the fact is... It's the cafeteria food. I just decided I've had enough of that. I'm so sorry. My decision is final."
It seems also that Mission: Impossible "borrowed" the basis of this plot for one of their own. They had an East German spy and tricked him into thinking that he'd been returned home so he could be debriefed by "his side", essentially by the same sort of trick. But there, it worked.
There's also a recent Samuel L. Jackson movie in which a Dutch tourist is kidnapped by Arab extremists which explores a similar scenario. That one is worth watching.
Still, overall it was an engaging story, kept moving and kept you guessing. I'm staying with 10 boats built with stone knives and bearskins (more or less).
Perhaps I was too harsh in my judgment (I only gave it a six), but it irked me that Number 6 let himself be blindly led by a total stranger through London, when he could have come by his own means once he'd arrived in "England." OK, perhaps it was risky to come out of the closet, I mean, crate before arriving at his HQ, and by being seen in the streets of London he would run the risk of being recaptured. However, what did he know about the guy transporting him? Absolutely nothing. He had to trust him to leave Poland, but in England he could use his fantastic spy skills and disappear in plain sight, and he could count on his private network of contacts and underground connections, which I'm sure any responsible spook has. That's espionage 101.
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This Friday on 'The Prisoner' ep 02 'The Chimes of Big Ben'
Number Six you must learn never to trust anyone it’s not going to get you anywhere. Just when I thought he might have escaped they were just playing with him hoping to get out of his mind why he resigned from whatever job he had? I must assume some type of spy but who knows. He built a boat made it beyond the village then rode on a plane inside a box only to be returned to the village. I’m developing a theory on who is number one I plan to share this information as time goes by unless I forget which has been known to happen. We need you back Agent Stone you’ve missed two shows but in reality you haven’t missed much.
They should use drugs to try to get number six to talk it was the sixties.
Backed to scoring this one gets a six imagine that.
I’m definitely late to the party on this one. But since I missed this episode due to computer issues, I figured I’d wait until it came in sequence before I watched it – and I’m glad I did.
Great episode right from the starting gate, with Number 6 showing his defiance by putting his radio in the refrigerator and later putting 3 lumps of sugar in his coffee. This week’s Number 2, an impressive Leo McKern, makes notes about the Prisoner’s sense of humor and inflated self-image. Later, Six takes a shine to the new arrival – Number 8, who’s also a model of defiance. She identifies herself by name – Nadia – and she tries to swim to freedom. But that nasty bubble has other plans for her and drags her back to shore. Conditioning her doesn’t work for her captors either. She elects death over playing their Pavlovian-style games and Number 2 has to turn off the electricity to save her. Our hero then offers a rare compromise. He’ll try to take part in community events if they’ll release Nadia to him instead of giving her more conditioning.
But of course, Number Six doesn’t give in without an ulterior motive. He joins the arts & crafts fair and carves a boat out of a tree – in pieces so it isn’t obvious. He wins the fair for his new age sculpture – a salute to freedom - and uses his winnings to buy a banner with Number 2’s image on it to use as the sail on his boat. He and Nadia sail off after sunset and are almost out of range when day breaks. As in “Free for All”, when the bubble approaches, he jumps ship – but this time it makes sense as a.) they are close to shore and b.) you can’t plow a sailboat into a bubble like you could a motorboat. The bubble seems to be impervious to bullets, although it does flee the scene after being shot multiple times.
Number Six and Nadia are shipped to his headquarters, where he is about to reveal why he resigned. But Big Ben then chimes the wrong time and it’s Number Six who this week gets to tell his captors why their plan failed rather than vice versa. Good thing he wasn’t wearing a waterproof watch, or he’d have fallen for their elaborate charade. One last reveal is that not only was Nadia part of the plan, it looks like she may have engineered it. Nadia was very deceptive. She’d make a good spy. Oh...right.
The episode is not without its flaws: Number 6 uses a homemade stone axe to chop down one large tree and carve it into the shape of a boat. And we hear the 45 minute chime of Big Ben when he arrives at headquarters, but it chimes for the hour less than 15 minutes later. But it makes up for those flaws with crisp dialogue, a steady pace, an intriguing lady, and a lively Number 2. There’s even some creative camerawork with the side by side shot of Six and Nadia in their crates supposedly headed for England. So I’ll award it 1 sail with Number Two’s image, 2 thousand work credits, 3 lumps of sugar, and 4 pairs of chimes from Big Ben – for a total of 10. I can understand why CBS wanted to run this episode so early on – even though it shot continuity all to heck.
Random thoughts: Last week, number 8 was a woman. When Nadia is brought in this week as the new Number 8, Number 6 asks what happened to the old one and Number 2 refers to the old Number 8 as “he.” Granted, weeks could have passed between episodes and people could have been shifted around in that time. But couldn't they have just picked another number?
The big bubble is capable of sprouting two mini bubbles to help carry people back to shore. I guess we’ve seen it before, but it was very obvious from this viewing. Also, if people earn work credits, I guess they must do some kind of work; I wonder what Number Six does. Acting, perhaps?