love?
Do you think George and Martha love each other?
- dying ain't much of a living -
1000% yes.
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Wait a minute... who am I here?
Of course.
..I'd go to middle earth and look for Unspoiled Monsters. Then move to the country.
Yes, I think they do. The final shot of the film is of them near embrace, reaffirming their love despite their ordeal. Compare that to another war between spouses, "The War of the Roses." Michael Douglas reaches out for Kathleen Turner's hand as they both lay dying. No sooner do we think they may have reconciled at the end, than Turner tosses Douglas' hand away in rejection. We have no such indication here.
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Did you watch this movie?? haha
Of course they love eachother...its themselves they hate!
Can you love anybody if you hate yourself?
If you think about whether they love each other as a daily action, like you love and care for a child, nourish someone and try to make them become a happier and better person, then... I don't think they love each other. They are codependent or something. Or maybe they do love each other and just both have very special needs, extraordinary persons that don't want and can't really exist in normal reality.
Loving someone else means becoming a better person every day. How can you do that if you hate yourself?
ABSOLUTELY!
In fact, there's that really telling scene where Martha tells Nick about how the only man that's ever made her happy is George.
In that scene you hear her describe how much she despises herself and can't forgive him for loving her.
In some ways, their relationship here (and the vitriolic dialog) makes me think of Eleanor & Henry in the Lion in Winter. They love each other, but other things get in the way. Sad, sad, sad.
I also think that they really love each other.
Interesting that rondine pointed out the relationship of Eleanor and Henry in The Lion in Winter. It really makes sense. Before watching "Virginia Woolf", I´ve always thought that Henry and Eleanor are like Nick & Nora from the Thin Man series - with a little more violence and a little less drinking.
I hope I don't get lambasted for this remark, but I don't think Martha and George truly love each other. They are 2 badly damaged people who cling to each other for support.
But LOVE---the real thing? Sorry, not convinced. You don't humiliate someone you love. You don't put them down, insult them, call them a failure. You don't play cruel mind games with someone you love.
They have something between them.....a bizarre mix of sadism and despair. But LOVE...absolutely not.
You obviously have never dated italian women... Their love in this movie is absolute and it's that love that lets them be totally honest and not hold back their feelings.
shareIt's like the t-shirts they used to sell up on the boardwalk --
"George & Martha: Only a b*tch like her could love a b*st*rd like him"
Nobody else can stand either one of them and they can't live without each other!
It is pure love.... it's honest and they own it... thats why the movie is so great.. you are watching the most horrific love story.
The main thing i always loved about this movie is how there are like 5 minutes of straight dialog they have to get through and they prove why some people are stars and some are just actors...
Yes, absolute love where you have the energy to love and hate with the same passion.
shareIt's co-dependence, people.
Is that love? Some will say "yes" emphatically, and some will say "no."
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They sort of reminded me of a more darker version of the parents from Everybody Loves Raymond: Cynical, honest, brutal but underneath it all they cared about each other and even loved each-other.
This is the kind of stuff you do sit-coms of today!