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The lack of women makes this timeless?


I mean, we see a spanish woman at the beginning and a few in the crowds and a prostitute.
All main characters are male, it looks timeless.
I think that Once Upon A Time In The West isn't as 'timeless' because the main character played by Claudia Cardinale looks like a 60s woman with the make up. Looks dated.
Do you know what I mean?

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Yes.

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All main characters are male, it look timeless


It doesn't. Eastwood's got a 60's hairstyle that gives away when it was made. He always looks like he's come to the set straight from the hairdressers.

I think that Once Upon A Time isn't as 'timeless' because the main character played by Claudia Cardinale looks like a 60s woman with the make up. Looks dated.


The prostitute and the guys' wife in the beginning are caked in make up, what's the difference?

Do you know what I mean?


No you sound like a biased fan boy.


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No you sound like a biased fan boy.

Even the director, Sergio Leone, wasn't a fan of women in westerns:

"Ever since I was a small boy I've seen a lot of Hollywood Westerns where, if you cut the woman's role out of the film in a version which is going on in your own head, the film becomes far better." - Sergio Leone



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Hardly surprising, Leone seemed like a sexist pr!ck but that's got nothing to do with it.

The OP's claiming this looks more timeless than OUATITW because Cardinale looks like a 60's woman, ignoring the fact that Eastwood just looks like a 60's guy with his hairstyle in this. It doesn't look anymore timeless. You can easily tell it's a 60's western.


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I'm curious then, what do you think The Man With No Name's hair would have really been like during the 1860s? I thought, more or less, it was the right length for the time, and plenty of men did comb their hair straight back, although I suppose his hair doesn't look sweaty or greasy when his hat is removed. Clint Eastwood's hairstyle was somewhat common during the 1960s among celebrities, though. Many men in 1966 still had slicked down, shorter sides and back haircuts as seen in the early James Bond films or like Mad Men's Don Draper. I think Eastwood's style is very similar to what James Dean had, and even then in the '50s, Eastwood had hair like that. I'm not exactly familiar with what the most common hairstyles of the mid-19th century were, though.

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Very interesting post. Here is a cartoon picture of an Austrian politician, Karl Lueger, in 1893, and his haircut and even the beard looks exactly like Eastwood's:

http://postimg.org/image/vdpa2tac9/

So this proves that 19th century men could have had Eastwood's haircut. But as you said, I wonder if it can be worn like that if one hasn't washed his hair in weeks. However, I get the impression Eastwood doesn't spend much time on his hair. He can be seen running his hand through it in numerous films and then it stays like that. The wind often seems to make it messy easily, especially in "Rawhide". Does anyone know more about this? Or did he use cans of hairspray?

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I agree with Leone. Often the women roles in westerns are 'token female' roles and offer little. I dislike romantic side plots in films too, so when they add that in it just makes it cheesy and stupid (that goes for all genres).

I don't think the lack of women necessarily makes the film timeless but since it is a film purely focused on the journey, without irrelevant deviations, the lack of women (and therefore, romantic side plots) definitely makes it a stronger, more tightly-woven film.

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Leone himself said it too. The movies without women are better. It's because their make up kinda tells you that it's a 60s film.

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There was one I'm reminded of fondly, Tuco called her 'old hen'.

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That wasn't Tuco, that was one of his boys.

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I remember that when Leone died, they originally said in the media that he died of AIDS, which certainly implies that he was one of those gays who had no interest in creating interesting women characters. (This continues in other westerns of the time; doesn't Eastwood force himself on a woman in High Plains Drifter?)

It certainly appeals to men more than women, I think, because it is a film of unbridled manly bravado. The "heroes" rule the world, and they don't answer to their wives. (This is why a lot of people liked the original Godfather best, whether they admit it or not.)

In fact, I think Unforgiven was basically Eastwood's male-bashing apologia to women, and was given an award because of the zeitgeist of the early 1990s. But I suspect that will not endure like the Leone films.

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