holes in the plot


First, this movie is not as bad as people say it was, it does have its moments but too few and far between, and it shows the difference between what was considered "suspenseful" in 1965 and what would be suspenseful now.
This movie, were it shown this way to day, would die on the vine, for too many reasons to relate now. First there would have to more blood and/or sex, but that's for another time.
I would just like to mention a couple of holes.There are SPOILERS/SPOILERS/SPOILERS!! ALERT ALERT First, when Ann is in the hospital, how does she know where her clothes are being kept, since she was unconscious and had her eyes closed when she arrived,??? and Secondly, also how does she know how to get out of the hospital???.
I see they are remaking this film, which is good, this is the kind of movie that SHOULD be remade, as the first could have been better, but fell short, and hopefully the remake WILL be better at least a little more suspenseful.

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1.She was pretending all the time in the hospital that she is out of conscience, so that's how she knew where her clothes are (nurse put it in the closet in front of her nose)
2. She was following "emergency exit" signs all the time. That's how she got out of hospital.

And I also dont know who said that this movie is bad? This is vary appreciated Preminger piece, considered one of the greatest suspense movies ever.

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I am only about 45 minutes into my first viewing of this movie ... but can't help but wonder why they haven't checked with the moving men to confirm that the bags were there ... or with the ship to confirm that there was a mother and daughter.

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I thought that the investigators were mislead regarding when they actually arrived. The biggest problem that I had with that was they asked Ann and Stephen when they arrived, but they didn't ask the name of the ship. I could have seen that mistake if this were a modern tale and they arrived on a flight, but all the detectives really needed to know was the name of the ship. I actually couldn't believe that Ann didn't say, "We arrived on the (fill in the blank) this week." All ships have names and the name is usually everywhere. She didn't need to know the exact day because they could have checked the ship's schedule pretty easily if they knew the name.

I had a problem with no one actually seeing Bunny after they said they had been in the country 4-5 days. Someone would have seen them both on the ship and then at the dock. Ann didn't take her out to play? They didn't go to a park? To a store? I find that hard to believe.

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"Ann didn't take her out to play? They didn't go to a park? To a store? I find that hard to believe."

It was mentioned a number of times in the movie that Bunny was sick when they first arrived, so she kept her in.

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"Not only all of that, but also, was Bunny supposed to have been in the trunk of his car that whole time? If so, how on earth was she still alive?"

The entire movie takes place between morning and night of the same day. And trunks aren't air-tight.

The points brought up aren't in the book. I've read the book and it's MUCH different from the movie.

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I am only about 45 minutes into my first viewing of this movie ... but can't help but wonder why they haven't checked with the moving men to confirm that the bags were there ... or with the ship to confirm that there was a mother and daughter.

I don't know if they're plot holes but I couldn't get past.....

a. A mother is in another country, leaves her small child at a school she's never been in and doesn't bother to meet the staff and let them see her daughter that she's leaving in their care!

b.The brother was already at the flat. Why couldn't he have let the movers in?

c. The child isn't just missing. No one believes she exists! Yet her mother is back at the apartment! I wouldn't have left that school until she was found if that's where I left my child!

d. At the start of the investigation the mother never mentioned the landlord/neighbor who should have seen the child's belongings laid out on the bed.

e. Since the police doubted the mother's story why didn't the police verify the child's passage via all ships that arrived at the time the mother & daughter arrived. Rather than get the ship info from the brother?

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I had a few problems with the script, but not necessarily how it was filmed.

1. I find it hard to believe that a woman would take her young child to a daycare for the first time and not have actually been there herself to personally hand over her child. I wouldn't have left my child alone in that room for one second. Why didn't she take Bunny with her to search of an employee? That seemed irresponsible. Why did she need to take Bunny to the daycare for such a short period of time anyway. She was only going to leave her there for 2-3 hours. Bunny could have stayed with her while she unpacked and went to the grocery store.

2. Stephen supposedly followed her to the daycare. Was it a lucky break that she left Bunny alone? Ann could have caught him. How did he get Bunny into the trunk on a public street in broad daylight? Don't you think someone would have reported seeing a man put a little girl in the trunk?

3. Why would a woman whose child is missing sit around the house while her brother was in the bathtub? That was one strange scene. Don't you think you would be tearing your hair out trying to find your daughter?

4. The whole doll thing was absolutely ridiculous. The doll that she picked up could have been anyone's doll. It didn't have Bunny's name on it. It was just a mass-produced, commonplace doll. Without a picture of Bunny with a similar doll, it proved nothing.

5. It seemed that Ann knew that Stephen had mental problems. She didn't act surprised at all that was the guilty party. Why would she want her young child to be any where near him? I would have steered clear of him completely.

6. Why didn't Ann try to escape the house with Bunny? Why didn't she scream for help or call the police? Why didn't she attack Stephen? She could have knocked him out with the shovel. No, forget all of that. She played childhood games with Stephen while he looked wild-eyed and threatened her young daughter.

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I guess I assumed that some of the things that I mentioned were in the book, too. Why would such a poorly written book make it to be developed into a movie?

I have to admit that I was bored to death during the childhood games part of the movie. They should have ended the movie totally differently. I would have had Ann see Stephen burying Bunny's things and then make a screaming fuss to the point that the police are called. The investigators rush in and interrogate Stephen. That's when the whole crazy "Bunny in the trunk" thing is resolved. That could have taken less than 5 minutes.

The ending wouldn't have removed all of the other problems, but it certainly would have cleaned up that part of the movie more satisfactorily.

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Great points, Georgia. Always wanted to see this picture and finally got the chance with Comcast OnDemand this month. Good film, to a point. The whole brother/sister thing came out of nowhere for me. Am I wrong in assuming these two had a sexual relationship?? I would think she would have known all along it was nutso who took the kid. Though, if these two were bangin each other....she was nuts too. How do we know Bunny isn't HIS kid? Ack!

Really kept my interest up to the point where Keir burned the doll with that wild eyed look. Then I thought, this is going to deteriorate quickly.



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i've always liked this movie, despite the plot holes. most movies have them (some have a lot!)but it is just entertainment, after all. i do the "suspend disbelief" thing!

i actually saw this when it came out -- yeah, i'm a little over 21 -- and didn't think too much about what we see as plot holes at that time. when we are older and have a different perception, it's fun to see these movies and kind of go "what the hell??". i will say that things were definitely different in 1965 as far as leaving the child at the day care. it was sort of irresponsible but it was a locked school and the cook did say she'd watch her. you had an expectation that nothing bad would happen. no amber alerts in those days.

i do have a question for anyone reading this board: anyone have an idea how and why anne's hand got bandaged at the hospital? i noticed the bandage when she went to the house and couldn't recall any mention of an injury. i rewound and sure enough, her hand was bandaged when she was pretending to be unconcious. just a little thing but wondered what you all thought!

i've enjoyed reading this message board about this flick. thanks!

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Anne burned her hand on the burning doll. When Steven was talking to the doctor at the hospital, he claimed that she had fainted near the fireplace, as a way of explaining the burn on her hand.

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That's really simple. Just a bit more attention and logic.

1) She was told to leave Bunny in Daycare. That's usual practice. As you could notice, Bunny was the first kid kidnapped from this school for how many? 50 years? That's not something usual. The yang woman was in a hurry and need to do lot of stuff. In similar situations I've always miss something. That's normal. 10 minutes are not a big time frame to leave your child.

2) He didn't need to put little girl in his trunk on public street. He could sedate her and then put in trunk wherever he wants.

3) ? Don't get what you mean - she's all the time trying to find her daughter but also she does what police asked her.

4) How would you know all this stuff? And firstly not the doll itself but ticket for repairing should be an evidence of her little girl existence. Besides police could find her fingerprints, hair, teeth bites, etc on the doll. And old master could tell them this doll was used by kid, not by old man.

5) Because he pretended to be good, careful brother and uncle. I suppose he has never done something bad or hurt Bunny any way. The whole case last about couple of hours. Ann even couldn't have time to tell police about his illness, although it could hurt his career, etc. Later of course she could tell the truth.

6) Because everything was closed. And if she started to scream he could return to his normal mind and in this case could kill both without hesitation. But while she play with him she could control him and trying figure out how to escape.

The movie is really brilliant. The camera and lighting are incredible. The pace, the narrative - pitch perfect. Deep story about desolation in modern bourgeois society, about relationships, about how important have a proper family, father and mother, care about children, etc.

The only thing I could argue - how fast Ann transformed from desperate mother to cold and smart heroine of detective stories. All this escape from hospital. The final act. And also I don't get brother's motives. How he hide his illness all this years. Or how he show it. How Ann cope both with it and a little baby.

And personally I would prefer an incest theme. But it really was. Kind of. Her brother loves her not only like sister. More like mother-sister-woman. She was really attractive and hot. Remember how landlord almost immediately wants her. Steven has grown in woman surrounding without a father. Their mother was mentally ill. So it's logical children has some kind of disorder too. Steven was a boy when he need to take care about sister. Both still extremely yang - she is only 23, he is perhaps 26-28. Also you should know illness with age could progress without treatment. It could happen it was Steven's first bad stroke (or second) while others weren't. No one knows. But all events quite logical to me.

All in all this is a great movie.

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The leaving the child in the room at the daycare center - I could chalk that up to people just being more trusting in the 1960's. BTW, I'm old enough to remember. People really weren't as careful back then. They didn't think they needed to be.

The sitting around the house while brother was in the tub - that didn't seem so strange to me. Even in the middle of a crisis, there are moments when you realize there's only so much you can do. You're going to sit down and take a break some time. However, It did strike me as a bit strange for adults that a sister would hover around in the bathroom while her brother was in the tub.

Some of the other flaws you mention seem like minor mechanical things I can overlook. But the not knowing about Steven's illness, I agree that doesn't hold up to any kind of scrutiny. This dude turned out to be one sick puppy. That couldn't have happened on the spur of the moment with Ann having no previous inkling of it. But then if she had any sense that he's a wacko, then how could she have trusted Steven as much as she apparently did? And why we would she not mention it to the police? Makes no sense!

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Regarding leaving her child alone in a new daycare ...

Yes, it's odd that she left her there alone, but I can blame that on a more casual attitude for the times. What truly makes no sense at all is that Bunny was left in the room with an 18-month-old child. There is no daycare in the world that would leave a child of this age alone for even 2 minutes, and I don't believe the situation could have been different at any daycare at any time in history. Why? Any parent will tell you that parenting kids that age means preventing accidental death daily ... they climb, they touch hot things, they play with light sockets, they put everything in their mouths. It just wouldn't have happened.

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<< 5. It seemed that Ann knew that Stephen had mental problems. She didn't act surprised at all that was the guilty party. Why would she want her young child to be any where near him? I would have steered clear of him completely. >>

Yes, this revelation at the end is ludicrous, and makes everything that's come before really limp.

The mother's interviewed alone by the police. You'd think she'd say, "You might want to know, my brother is very possessive and has a split personality..."

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I suppose she could've had issues of her own. I've noticed in real cases, people leave out information like that when they're in denial.


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Having just watched this movie (on TCM's "Mothers' Day programming, of all things) I think that you have the correct answer ~~ she has totally been in denial for her entire life up to this point!

We are led to believe that her brother has taken care of everything for her up to the events in this movie, allowing her to remain in a dependent child-like state for her entire life, making her decisions for her and paying her way.

Undoubtedly he has incestuous feelings toward her, but he is still a child himself where she is concerned, so he is not the father of Bunny. We know this when we are told that the father of Bunny wants to marry Anne, but her brother kept that from happening, and she went along with his decision because he basically raised her ~~ and in her state of denial, she trusted all of his decisions.

When she finally wakes up to his real character, she instinctively knows that the way to distract him is to return to playing the childhood games that they used to play together as children.

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I liked this move overall. I thought the ending was chilling when they were singing "Mulberry Bush" and acting like the brother was about 7.
HOWEVER, the whole plot revolves around us being asked to believe that a young mother would leave her four year old in a room with just an 18-month old baby and NO adult around, ON THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL. Yes, she was told to do so by the cook, but since the cook later states she never saw the child (nor did anyone else at the school), so the mother must have left her in the room alone with just a baby.

"Don't worry honey, an adult will be here soon..." I don't think so.

(And of course what kind of school leaves an 18-month old baby in a room unattended.)

The plot revolves around this being the worst run day care on the planet. Also, the room for four year olds is not that large yet when the mother arrives to pick Bunny up, there must be 50 4-year olds getting out. Must be a packed room.

And yet it is still a decent story. I think with a little more thought these impossible to believe moments may have been made more plausible.

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Rather a peculiar film, I thought- from the time the doll was burned it suddenly took on a manic tone, when it had seemed like more of a straightforward drama until that point. I quite enjoyed it, but the brother really chewed the scenery.

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Not only all of that, but also, was Bunny supposed to have been in the trunk of his car that whole time? If so, how on earth was she still alive?


As I've stated before, the entire movie occurs over the period of One Day!

And trunks aren't air-tight. Bunny wasn't in there for very long.

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I'm also into the incest thing. It's not said but obviously stevie -madly- loves his sister.
The main hole for me is when she escapes from the hospital. Why she didn't call the police?! At least to say "it was steve!" and then she could go to his house and try to find bunny.

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Perhaps things like this change over time but in Sydney, Australia, 1960 a 10 year old boy named Graham Thorne was kidnapped for ransom by Steven Bradley who locked Thorne in the boot of his 1955 Ford Customline.

Thorne died of suffocation in a few hours. Is it possible that car boots stopped being made airtight after this?

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I agree that there are some HUGE plot holes, but the two you picked are the least of them!

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Hilarious complaints. Her name was written prominently on the bag of clothes, which were in plain sight. As to how someone could possibly find their way out of a building - that's just too laughable a question to answer.


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I found it hard to believe that brother kept it together all day long in front of police when he was proven so bat**** insane at the end.

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That was my biggest problem. For somebody who was apparently insane and still seven years old mentally, the brother kept it together pretty well. He had a steady job, took care of all the money matters, and had to have been pretty cunning to have pulled everything off. It just didn't seem like his character at the end would have been capable of all that, especially not for long stretches of time with no indication of his psychological problems.

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I'm glad someone else brought this up. Of all the plot holes, this was the one that bothered me the most. He had to have been pretty cunning and manipulative to be able to pull off such an elaborate kidnapping, yet his mental illness is so extreme that he reverts to this childlike behavior. I think it would have been much more convincing to make him an evil villain with some sick relationship with his sister rather than some insane person still living in childhood.

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