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Miyazaki + Tezuka kick Disney's @ss.

posted 19 years ago by BlazeFox
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Disney only knows how to do one thing, and that is rip people off.
Lion King was totally a rip off of Tezuka's "Kimba The White Lion"
But its okay, nobody knows what Kimba was or who Tezuka was either.
And because the average 12yo never heard of Kimba, its okay to copy it.
Also, what's with Disney buying up all the Studio Ghibli/Miyazaki stuff, eh?
Its because they know the japanese are the only hand drawn animators left.

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http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a991224.html
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=627
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimba_the_White_Lion

But of course, it is terribly easy for big companies to rip off old things. Your average child today wouldn't remember He-Man, Care Bears, or Strawberry Shortcake so if a company decides to re-do the series the kids will think this is a 'new' thing and the only persons to be the wiser would be their parents. And ripping off a foreign concept or show is even easier. Who would know or even care if a company ripped off a japanese idea? The likelyhood of the creators knowing or even finding out they've been plagerized is minimal.

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[–] thera_ranford 19 years ago

Tezuka died in 1989 so I guess he never had the chance to find out how Disney ripped his work.

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[–] donkeykongconker 17 years ago

Um.. guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimba_the_White_Lion#The_Lion_King_controversy

This clearly states that Disney was infact behind the making of Kimba. The Lion king was much more of a thank you than a steal. Kimba was originally going to be named Simba but got cut out.

[–] SPazzo_1493 17 years ago

The Lion king was much more of a thank you than a steal.

How is ripping someone elses idea a thank you?

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[–] christmasdonkeyemail 17 years ago

After heavily analyzing "The Lion King" it had many sources, Kimba was one of them and they have announced that. Tezuka industries wasn't mad about it, why are you still?

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[–] Mr-Awesome 16 years ago

It's a known fact that The Lion King was inspired by Shakespeare's Hamlet and Disney's own Bambi. At best Kimba was a smaller inspiration much like anime was inspired by Disney.

[–] coex 14 years ago

"Tezuka industries wasn't mad about it, why are you still? "

lol

well, first, show us *exactly* where Tezuka Industries was not mad.

second, why wouldn't you be mad, as a paying audience member and animation enthusiast/art lover? when this is done in the world of painting, it's called an "art forgery" and is completely illegal and museums freak-out when they learn that they might have a forgery. As someone that not only loves art, but is an artist and has many friends and family that are also artists, I find that the level of copying that Disney did was just pathetic. Even IF their story was based more on Shakespear and/or Bambi, they still lifted an awful lot from Tezuka!

Paying to either buy the DVD or see the film in the theater; isn't that sort of sick that we might contribute to this mindset? We pay them to not really come up with anything original stylistically or story-wise. Not really encouraging them to do anything but lazily churn out really shiny ripoffs. I would think that, instead of just letting them shovel whatever they want at us, we would start voting with our dollar by supporting something more creative, original, and thought-provoking.

Sigh.

Sadly, I see this in almost all Hollywood films these days, and the audiences that continue to lazily accept their lazily made rip-offs.

if you can't see a reason to be mad about that, then you are clearly in the wrong forum.

[–] An_Animator 13 years ago

Even IF their story was based more on Shakespear and/or Bambi, they still lifted an awful lot from Tezuka!

And Tezuka lifted a lot from Disney. Kimba is practically a love letter to Bambi. You can certainly see the Disney/Western influence in his designs.

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[–] trollomatic 15 years ago

>>>This clearly states that Disney was infact behind the making of Kimba.

yes. The Disney influence can clearly be seen in this.

The 1966 Kimba the White Lion is clearly a ripoff of the earlier 1993 The Lion King.

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[–] SnowKittyLove 13 years ago

''But of course, it is terribly easy for big companies to rip off old things. Your average child today wouldn't remember He-Man, Care Bears, or Strawberry Shortcake so if a company decides to re-do the series the kids will think this is a 'new' thing and the only persons to be the wiser would be their parents.''...Uh,no,everyone at my middle school definitely knows what Strawberry Shortcake and Carebears is.IDK about He-Man.I know what it is,though;I have some episodes on DVD...

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[–] Chomper66 13 years ago

What does it matter anyway, Kimba is Japanese, they have no jurisdiction here. Copyright laws don't apply.

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[–] goranxii 13 years ago

Story-lines and plot structure aren't even close, the characters are stock, Simba is maybe linked, but maybe not (it's one of five names that are Swahili words, whereas 'Kimba' means nothing in any language), and the frame-for-frame, well it's hard to write a movie staring lions centrally and not get at least a few similar scenes compared to a 26 hour series staring lions centrally (and scenes featuring different characters can't be considered more than similar). If you want to convince me, give me a point-by-point analysis of the plot and characters, and do try to be objective about it, rather than the bratty little fan-boy you sound like.

Also for plot points:

Kimba's father is the king of a jungle
vs.
Simba's father is the king of a big patch of savannah

Kimba's father is killed by a hunter (apparently) for stealing domestic cattle off human villages.
vs.
Simba's father is killed by his brother out of greed.

Kimba is shipped off with him mother to a zoo, but escapes when the ship founders in a storm.
vs.
Simba is chased off alone by hyenas, but escapes when he falls into a field of thorn-bushes.

Kimba nearly drowns at sea, but is taught to swim by fishes and guided to land by butterflies.
vs.
Simba nearly dies in the desert, but is rescued at the last by Timon and Pumbaa.

Kimba is raised by two humans somewhere in the Middle-East.
vs.
Simba is raised by Timon and Pumbaa in an African Jungle.

Kimba is eager to get home.
vs.
Simba is not eager to go home, and is only shamed into it eventually by Rafiki.

Kimba brings the wonders of human civilisation to his jungle home.
vs.
Simba overthrows his tyrannical uncle to allow his land to regenerate.

Do any of those actually sound similar to you? They certainly don't to me.

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[–] goranxii 12 years ago

A few of the 'it is plagiarism' guys have, so go ahead.

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