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The hypocrisy of Bewitched.


Some are always citing Bewitched as being "original."

Yet it copied:

My Favorite Martian. A Martian with powers (Samantha) and his mortal friend (Darren) with a nosey landlady (Mrs. Kravitz). Even the animated opening is similar.

The Patty Duke Show. Twin Cousins (Samantha and Serena).

The Dick Van Dyke Show. A married couple.

I Love Lucy. A married couple and a child.

And the movies Bell, Book, and Candle and I Married a Witch.

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Well all shows are knock offs of other shows. In the 60's most shows had "twin" characters. It was extremely common. I don't really think that The Dick Van Dyke show is at all similar to Bewitched though. Bewitched did copy I Love Lucy several times though in several different ways.

I mean The Flinstones is a knock off of The Honeymooners
The Munsters is a knock off of The Addams Family
Dynasty is a knock off of Dallas
and so on...

The only difference from now and then though is that they don't call it a knock off they call it a "franchise", a "reimagining, or a "cross between" where as back then they just sort of pretended that it was a completely different concept. NBC greenlighted Jeannie because they wanted to copy the success of Bewitched, there is no denying it. Honestly I love both shows but they have similar plots pretty blonde girl being told by a man not to use magic even though they use it anyways and both have crazy extended families.



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Honestly I love both shows but they have similar plots pretty blonde girl being told by a man not to use magic even though they use it anyways and both have crazy extended families


Major Nelson did not mind Jeannie using her magic. In fact, he often enjoyed it.

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Actually, Nelson went back and forth. Sometimes he wanted her to use her powers, other times it was "No, Jeannie, I can do it myself", or "No.'Whenever you try to help me, something always goes wrong", and of course he never wanted Roger to use her.

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However, Tony never strictly forbid Jeannie from using her magic. That was a major plot point in Bewitched, and Samantha obeyed, when it was convenient. Jeannie never obeyed. Plus, she had to use her powers just to get in and out of her bottle every day, so there's no way she could be forbidden to use her magic. Where else would she have slept?

Yes, Tony was an idiot in trying to be self-sufficient. And yet, he didn't seem to mind Jeannie keeping his house in working order by magic (or getting his meals for free.) It was the additional things she did to improve his life or help him (or protect him) that he objected to.

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The Munsters is a knock off of The Addams Family



The Munsters premiered September 24th, 1964, six days after The Addams Family premiered on September 18th, 1964. There is no way The Munsters is a knock off of The Addams Family TV series.

I know the Addams Family was a cartoon in the New Yorker before that, but it was nothing like The Munsters.

The Munsters characters were based on the old 1930s Universal Pictures versions of monsters from classic literature. Frankenstein's monster, Dracula, the Wolfman, Bride of Frankenstein (even though Lily was a vampire and not a creation of Dr. Frankenstein, she had the streaks of white in her hair like The Bride of Frankenstein.





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People pitch to multiple networks. Back then there were three networks either the creators of The Munsters or the creators of The Addam's Family pitched to one network before going to the other or there was a leak at one of the networks.

ABC and NBC constantly were "stealing" from one another especially back then.


Barbara Stanwyck and I used to ride the trolley! ~Andrea Zuckerman

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<<<Bewitched did copy I Love Lucy several times though in several different ways.

Like the scene with the chocolate factory line.

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It's interesting to note that both Sidney Sheldon (IDOJ) and William Asher (Bewitched) worked together on The Patty Duke Show, where they had one actress playing two parts. Hmmmmm..... So, those that say IDOJ is a rip-off of Bewitched aren't completely accurate. These two shows fall under the same genre (fantasy), so naturally, there will be similarities. Just like between The Munsters and The Addams Family, Star Trek and Lost in Space, Rawhide and Wagon Train, Batman and Wonder Woman, Cannon and Columbo, The Brady Bunch and The Partridge Family, Lassie and Rin-Tin-Tin, Hogan's Heroes and McHale's Navy, Twilight Zone and Night Gallery (and for current shows - The View and The Talk) - these pairs of shows are similar to each other because of the genre they fall into. Saying that one is a rip-off of another...well, you'd have to say that all westerns except the first one are rip-offs. Within the pairs, everyone usually finds that they prefer one over the other, which would seem odd on the surface due to their being so similar. But actually, that makes sense, because everyone has different tastes, which are constantly changing. What shows I liked as a child, I may find irritating today, and vice versa.

Just my two cents...

That said, Jeannie and Tony are the MOST Beautiful TV couple EVER!!

They ROCK :)

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The movie I Married a Witch inspired Bewitched.





Open the door for Mr. Muckle!!

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I don’t see Bewitched and IDOJ being anything alike. Even if Jeannie was a hybrid of Bewitched it held its on very well imo. Samantha was a witch who was pretty smart and could go through an entire day without using her magic if she wanted to. Seemed like her family were the ones causing most of the incidents and she just had to go behind them and clean it up before Darrin lost his damn mind about it!

Jeannie was an unpredictable, naïve, stubborn, clueless, impulsive genie who caused Anthony to have daily meltdowns and get into huge amounts of trouble all of the time. The cast, the plot lines, the characters were all completely different.

IDOJ was more comical, more whacky and complete chaos, while Bewitched was much more reserved.

I could probably sit an entire episode of Bewitched and not laugh, and I am not saying that is a bad thing because it was such a popular show and lasted much longer than Jeannie. That’s too bad. If only Jeannie had a little bit more substance, just a little….then it would have taken it much farther than Bewitched…but oh well I love the show so I’m not complaining too much.




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It always got me when they'd show Samantha doing some real drudgery like vacuuming, and I'd think, "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!?" Endora was spot-on right about that one!

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It always got me when they'd show Samantha doing some real drudgery like vacuuming, and I'd think, "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!?" Endora was spot-on right about that one!


Quite true, why did it matter HOW Samantha did the housework as long as it was done? Darrin seemed to create more problems by asking (or commanding) her not to use magic, than he would have had if he'd have just let her do it the witch way. Endora would probably liked him a little more if he didn't try ad stop her from being herself, she always hated that he couldn't accept a witch as a witch, therefore thinking of him as a lesser person. Most of the problems were caused by some kind of magic done by Sam's family interfering, but a lot of the time they could have been solved faster if Darrin had been a little more level headed about it. Writing this has made me realise how much I dislike Darrin and how much I like Tony. Yes, Tony would flip out about Jeannie using magic, but usually it was because he couldn't explain it fast enough without him looking like a crazy person. But in private or with Roger he had no problem with Jeannie making his life a little easier. Vacuuming and cooking with magic didn't have an impact on anyone else, so what did it matter that Jeannie didn't use her physical energy to do these tasks? They were still done. Yes, Samantha was more of a typical housewife and wanted to be a mortal housewife, but I always got the feeling it was only because of the way Darrin acted when she used magic. Jeannie played the housewife role it in a more fun, appealing way, more time for shopping and lunches with Mrs Bellows, but still doing some things by hand (e.g. making the bed).

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When Samantha did use witchcraft to do housework (like to make sure it was done before her mother-in-law came over), she would do it really, really fast. Why wouldn't she just zap the house clean? I would if it were me. I HATE housework!

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I don’t see Bewitched and IDOJ being anything alike. Even if Jeannie was a hybrid of Bewitched it held its on very well imo. Samantha was a witch who was pretty smart and could go through an entire day without using her magic if she wanted to


Samantha didn't really seem smart per se. She just acted like a normal everyday person. Whereas Jeannie was more unique and was a fish out of water. Plus, she had been locked her in bottle for like 1,000 years.

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Samantha and the other witches lived around and among human society. Jeannie was ignorant of 1960s culture and had to have things explained to her.

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This is true. But in the first couple of seasons if you'll watch closely there are a few things Samantha is naive about as well. She's not quite as bad as Jeannie but there are things that she doesn't seem to understand about humans.

Remember the magic words: "Please", "Thank you" and "Step off bitch!"

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There is room in this world for good-natured escapist fare. I Dream of Jeannie and Bewitched can certainly entertain the viewer with their fun plots and they both have a talented cast who give it their best.

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Diamond97---You are really stretching with those examples. You can take those examples and apply them to many television shows. IDOJ was a fun show, I felt that it was more oriented for children than Bewitched. Samantha didn't act like a child as Jeannie did. But there really isn't any reason for me to go on with this..every poll that I have ever seen, even the one that was conducted by TVLand put Betwitched on top in all categories,such as, Who was smarter? Who was more powerful? etc. If you love IDOJ, that's awesome. I enjoyed watching it as well, but it doesn't take an expert to see that what you're saying is really reaching for something that isn't there.

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IDOJ was a fun show, I felt that it was more oriented for children than Bewitched.

That must be why, as an adult, I've had an easier time being interested in Bewitched than IDOJ. I enjoyed both equally as a kid.

Lately I've finally become more interested in IDOJ again, but mostly to see the neighborhood they lived in, which was the same neighborhood as other sitcoms -- and some films -- back then. I spent a day in that neighborhood when I was a kid, so it has become a game to spot the places I went to, or to spot sets that were reused in other shows. I never noticed until now that Dr. Bellows' house was the Bewitched house. I believe I also saw Major Nelson's living room in an episode of The Flying Nun 


Mag, Darling, you're being a bore.

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@hka-3

Were you able to see the houses for "Leave it to Beaver", "My Three Sons" and "The Partridge Family"?

What an outstanding experience that must have been!! I wish I could have done that!

I would be SO tempted to scrape away or break away a piece of those facades for souvenirs!!

Didn't "Home Improvement" blow up the Stephens house?

I hope you took lots of photos.

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Diamond97---You are really stretching with those examples. You can take those examples and apply them to many television shows. IDOJ was a fun show, I felt that it was more oriented for children than Bewitched. Samantha didn't act like a child as Jeannie did. But there really isn't any reason for me to go on with this..every poll that I have ever seen, even the one that was conducted by TVLand put Betwitched on top in all categories,such as, Who was smarter? Who was more powerful? etc. If you love IDOJ, that's awesome. I enjoyed watching it as well, but it doesn't take an expert to see that what you're saying is really reaching for something that isn't there


My point isn't about which was better. My point is that Bewitched is not an original as the fans claim it is. Jeannie is always accused of being a rip-off, well, Bewitched is also a rip off. That's my point. I'm not talking about which show has the smarter person or who's more powerful. That's another topic.

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Diamond97---You are really stretching with those examples. You can take those examples and apply them to many television shows. IDOJ was a fun show, I felt that it was more oriented for children than Bewitched. Samantha didn't act like a child as Jeannie did. But there really isn't any reason for me to go on with this..every poll that I have ever seen, even the one that was conducted by TVLand put Betwitched on top in all categories,such as, Who was smarter? Who was more powerful? etc. If you love IDOJ, that's awesome. I enjoyed watching it as well, but it doesn't take an expert to see that what you're saying is really reaching for something that isn't there.


If I remember correctly (and I admit, I may not be) in the early/mid 1990s TV GUIDE, then the most popular and widely read magazine in America, weighed in on the "Samantha vs. Jeannie: Who Was More Powerful?" debate by selecting Jeannie as the more powerful of the two. TV GUIDE's editors humorously acknowledged that they received a good deal of hate mail from BEWITCHED fans for their choice.

As for the rest of it, as someone who has always enjoyed both shows, I agree with Diamond97, BEWITCHED while, at its' best, an extremely well-done and entertaining fantasy sitcom with a wonderful cast, was hardly the ground-breaking, cutting edge, seminal series its' most ardent fans profess it to be.

As Diamond has pointed out, its' timing and several of its' basic plot elements were inspired and borrowed from MY FAVORITE MARTIAN and earlier films with supernatural figures at their center, and I can't think of another sitcom that literally recycled entire scripts from previous seasons, changing only the names and minor plot points (e.g., George Washington subbing for Benjamin Franklin). I find this a particularly inexplicable and significant failing because, with its' supernatural premise, practically anything should have been possible for BEWITCHED.

On at least a couple of points, I think JEANNIE was more "adult" than BEWITCHED, in ways that were clearly not intended for kids. For instance, JEANNIE was more playfully and explicitly sexy than BEWITCHED. In the pilot episode of JEANNIE, she emerges from Tony's shower dressed only in one of his shirts. When Tony, clearly distracted by her appearance, absent-mindedly says, "I wish you'd take my shirt off," Jeannie starts to unbutton the shirt, and is only prevented from doing so by Tony hastily saying, "I MEAN I wish you'd put your own clothes on!"

In another episode, Tony arrives home from work to find Jeannie levitating on a towel while sunbathing on the patio. When he orders her to "Come down here," she responds by saying, "Come up here!" and blinking him into a bathing suit. When Tony sees what Jeannie's done, he exasperatedly says: "Jeannie get me out of these trunks!" Jeannie gasps, puts her had to her mouth and gives a hearty giggle at the thought of doing so, causing Tony to throw up his hands and stammer, "I mean, put my uniform back on!"

Jeannie and Tony's kisses are often incredibly passionate (at least for a friendly-family sitcom), with the two (mostly Jeannie) flying into each others' arms and wrapped around each other as they embrace for prolonged and deep kissing, and their foreplay (again, often instigated by Jeannie) often consists of tickling, squirming, laughing, and efforts by Tony to stop Jeannie from "fooling around" as they come together for an embrace.

And for all the flack JEANNIE gets from BEWITCHED fans for its' allegedly more "cartoonish" presentation, in some respects, it's more grounded in reality and plays more fairly with its' viewers than BEWITCHED does. For instance, "Tony Nelson" has a real job as an astronaut for the real-life NASA Space Agency, while "Darrin Stephens" works for a fictional advertising agency ("McMahon & Tate") with a boss, and an employment set-up that's even more of a caricature than anything you'd see on JEANNIE. Unlike BEWITCHED, Jeannie is peppered with the appearances of real-life celebrities, like John Glenn, Sammy Davis, Jr. and the characters from LAUGH-IN, whereas the only time I recall a real-life celebrity appearing on BEWITCHED was the "Boyce and Hart" singing group. I realize there may be other examples, but not many.

And finally, JEANNIE at least makes an honorable stab at acknowledging the almost insurmountable problems of a magical, heretofore unknown being, with no prior record or identity and some vastly different biological traits, suddenly appearing in late 20th century America and being able to function as a member of the American public.

Throughout JEANNIE's run, its' emphasized that a major stumbling block to the Jeannie/Tony romance is that, as Tony puts it, "Officially, Jeannie doesn't exist." As far as we know, Samantha's existence is just as "unofficial," yet she's able to file a tax return, get a credit card, open a checking account, get a driver's license, and, to be attended during her two pregnancies by a mortal obstetrician with no problems and no explanations whatsoever.

Long story short, if BEWITCHED couldn't answer the "tough" questions, it didn't bother to, while JEANNIE at least acknowledged that these issues existed and made some effort to address them.











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Awesome post, cclowell! You hit the nail on the head!

Two thumbs and two big toes up!! :)

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Well said, cclowell!

*standing up clapping*

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