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Swiftboat Veterans for Henry Orient?


Many fans of this film may be dismayed to realize that darling "Gil" is the very same Merrie Spaeth behind such reprehensible Republican smear campaigns as "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth (sic)".

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And, some Republicans feel that she is quite annoying in her acting roles, regardless of what she is currently doing.

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Yes, I picked that up yesterday too & just checked it out on IMDB. I remember the movie vaguely - I think I found it rather boring at the time. If there was a 'Brits for Kerry ' , I'd be in it, but far be it for me to interfere with US politics.

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It should be noted that Merrie has been a devoted Republican for as long as I've known her, ie. beginning 1963. She was a player in the Reagan Whitehouse and before that ran for congress in Pennsylvania as a Republican candidate in the seventies, I think, or eighties. Does a conservative bit on radio in Dallas where she lives. Personally, I'm apalled by her stand, but understand how she got there. Wish all such, in my opinion, short sighted points of view could be turned around, but haven't got a good handle on my own blindness, so can hardly perform the necessary miracles... except to pray to those who do and I do do that quite abit.

I was her counterpart way back when and just got evicted for housing homeless people by a rabbi landlord, am into all kinds of spiritual, liberal, clean and green practices and activism. Though I was hardly called to do similar coaching, I did campaign for Dennis Kucinich, so maybe provide some version of balance for her.

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It's proven once again that no good deed goes unpunished. However, people with real character AND resilience, like you, are a joy to behold. I happen to have first hand knowledge that what you say is true, so thanks for being such a thoroughly good person. Sad to say, Merrie is undoubtedly lost in the ugly netherworld of right-wing ideology, but you are an inspiration who will someday get your reward - if not in this life, surely in the next. God (whatever you perceive him, her, or it to be) bless you!

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very funny

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Merrie is a sweet girl at heart, no doubt, but she and all those who want to instigate trouble for innocent people around the world and in this country are not being conscientious, not fully considering the consequenses of their actions. Most Republicans are not behind the agenda of spending, bullying, lying, and creating havoc of this administration. I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I won't submit to the party line thing in any form. I support people from both sides when-if their actions and beliefs are considerate of the welfare of all life.

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Honestly, I wish the left organized much more and much better. Merrie's organization looks so tight and driven. I can imagine something like that with leftstyle attitudes dealing powerfully with the public, revealing all there is to know about humane and life affirming solutions to just everything.

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Are you actually the Tippy who played Val? I loved you in that role. Val was great! I also agree with your politics. But in the 60's, the Left was very organized and very driven.

Terry
Your soul and your body are your own, and yours to do with as you wish.

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Right, in the 60's the left was born, or reborn. There's a book called Journey Without Distance about the writing of A Course in Miracles which states that the extraordinary people of that time were being called up from everywhere to breach what was described as spiritually very bad time, and it said that it was premature, so I'm trying to figure out when the actual time might be. Hoping it's soon, might even be right now. The 60s felt sort of wrenching, anomolous, so the actual time of the spiritual awakening might look sort of ordinary in comparison.

Another thing, the right represents the agressive side of life, the left represents the more laid back happy side of life. And I realize I'm disagreeing with myself, some thing I do alot these days, but the sloppiness of the left may be reflecting something good about it, not sure.

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I agree. It's great that you post here.

BTW, I saw part of the filming of The World of Henry Orient. The two of you were jumping on a trampolene in Washington Square Park. I was attending NYU at the time.

It's sad that you aren't acting anymore. You had a real presence on the screen.

Terry
Your soul and your body are your own, and yours to do with as you wish.

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Thanks, FilmSon. Yes, it is one of my favorite movies.

Terry
Your soul and your body are your own, and yours to do with as you wish.

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Yes, Elizabeth, it is good to have you back in the house. Any chance that you will co-host another screening of TWoHO at your friend's bookstore? It sounds like it was a blast.

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Mm, the conseravtives sound smug and so the liberals seem defensive, all for the wrong reasons. I often wonder what history will make of all of us. I've been hanging alot with the progressive groups here in town and find it strange that so many folks are willing to give time to programs and events but not so much to doing the actual things they want to sponser, it's a problem, like the hypocracy of the religious, spouting the biblical morays but getting not so high marks in the embodying of them.
I also bemoan the lack of spiritual aspects of science fiction, there's entirely too much emphasis on technical progress and none or little on the possibilities of spiritual awakenings, but it may be that we can't know the butterflies we will become.
I'm entirely too impatient about it all. I want the world to find itself today, now, or next week at the latest. I can feel sense it happening. I'm creating a series of things that will be about granting wishes, like wish books that have pages devoted to wishes and prayers and the next page will say in beautiful lettering: granted, and little exploding balls of confetti that say yes and pop and have images in them of Santa Claus and flowers, wish I could find angel images but no luck yet. I want to make Jesus and Buddha hand puppets, they can be abused but more often I bet they won't and people can imagine them talking to them. I'm going to make effigy cat toys(no personals) too filled with glitter and colored stuffing and rhinestones, I also call litter bombs, and clothing and things with mystical properties. Get things rolling.
I'm hoping for the opportunity for a website, I get bogged down in day to day drama too often. But will keep driving. This week I had another bout of asthma, and lost a day, and today it snowed and the roads are so icy I'm on foot, times are very interesting. Maybe I can persuade this guy I know to show me the webdesign ropes, we drive each other nuts though, so maybe not. Onward.

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As a Vietnam and swiftboat veteran, I'm appalled that the dummycrats stooped so low as to run a lying fraud like Kerry for president. TGTAPSTHFTLFTHI (Thank God The American People Saw Through Him For The Lying Fraud That He Is). Me, I'm just thankful that there are people like Merrie Spaeth out there who are willing to step up and bust the lying frauds for who they are, and who are willing to stand tall and suffer through the slings and arrows of the dummycrat PC crowd who will stoop to any level and tell any lie for their cause. And that's one big reason why the dummycrats are out of power, on the run everywhere, and whatever prospects they might have once had are swirling around the drain

Oh, and yeah, I thought The World of Henry Orient was an entertaining movie, and is a period piece for 1964 unto itself. Another fine film by George Roy Hill.

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Fair enough, jaybird. Hopefully, you are supportive of all investigative reporters who try to expose fraud, regardless of political persuasion. It's a bittersweet sign of the times that exposing liars seems to be a growth industry. Anyway, thank you for your service to our country, and I agree with your comments about TWoHO, and George Roy Hill, who seemingly never made a bad movie.

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I'm registered as an independent. I have as much scorn for the repugs as I do the dummycrats, albeit for entirely different reasons, and for entirely different reasons than what the leftwing has. I don't care who the press goes after if there's fraud going on and they are sincerely motivated to uncover and report on fraud and that's truly their one and only agenda. But when it comes to the antique legacy media they have a much bigger agenda than just that.

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......I know alot of Vietnam veterans, one of which is my own brother and not one of those I'm close too regard the left as liars. It was the political machine which chose Kerry to run. I devoted my energies to Kucinich, many I know liked Clark, some stayed with Dean. I ended I'm sorry to say up voting for Kerry to try to keep Bush from another four years and accomplishing what he may do ie load the supreme court with conservative reactionary wolves. Kerry is a sham and a weak fool but he might have been less threatening to all the social progress we've made with regard to workers and individual rights, women's rights, and the environment. I'll go farther and say Kerry was set up to lose, signed on to lose, for the publicity maybe, not sure maybe they paid him off, but he ran, I'm certain, a dummy campaign. This doesn't mean the left is corrupt through and through. Look up Between the Lines a show on WPKN here in CT, and I like the positions of the reporters who write for the Nation. There was a great piece in the New York Times exhorting congress to have some spine and reject Alito, God, I hope they do. There are hords of sincere leftward thinking people, millions in fact, devoted to defending those and that which needs defending in very effective ways.

I know the war was a terrble blow to you. You must have seen and done things that would curl our hair and then some. My brother's experience changed his personality a great deal, as did the experiences of his friends have similar effects them. My father was quite violent after WWII and so were his friends. That the corporate zions need to send innocent young people into combat to throw their weight in explosive toys around is just unimaginably sad. My dad used to say we needed the worst bad boy in office to stand up to the other bad boys around the world. I'm not inclined that way, I like smart and decent and aware, the Jackie Chans of politics as opposed to the Al Capones. Hoping for the best, trying for detachment, only a little successful, obviously. Good luck to you, but not going to let you disparage all who are trying to protect us because you went into combat to protect Lady Bird Johnson's zinc mines and heroin poppies.

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Alito - a conservative wolf? He was give the highest recommendation by the American Bar Association and all attorneys (both conservative and liberal) who have worked with him. You liberal lefist loonies have got to quit drinking the alphabet koolaid of ABC,CBS,NBC, CNN, and NPR in order to quinch your thirst for correct information. If Alito is so much out of the mainstream, why is Robert Byrd voting for his confirmation? Our supreme court will finally do what it is was set up to do - interpret law, not make it.

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It's my understanding that the American Bar Association's recommendations are objectively based on legal credentials alone. If Saddam Hussein had a law degree and twenty years on a bench, he would probably get the same meaningless recommendation. I agree 100 percent that the Supreme Court is not a legislative body, and should only interpret the laws. So why would you want someone with a history of knee-jerk partisanship working in the judicial branch? Trading independent Sandra Day O'Connor for Samuel Alito will only make the Supreme Court more activist. (And yes, the same would be true if Kerry were President and he tried to put Ralph Nader on the Supreme Court.) I'm not sure why Robert Byrd thinks Alito will be a good justice; could the aging senator be having KKK flashbacks? In keeping with the fact that this a thread about The World of Henry Orient, I'll close with Tom Bosley's final line from that movie: "We now face REAL trouble."

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Kerry appoint Ralph Nader on the Supreme Court? When Nader ran against him? I don't think so.

I have noticed that the Right Wingers on this thread can't seem to express themselves without insulting people while the more Left-leaning folk are about using reason in this discussion.

Terry
Your soul and your body are your own, and yours to do with as you wish.

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Yeah, I know it was unrealistic, but I just used the Kerry/Nader scenario because it was a favorite scare tactic of the Talk Radio Goons a few years back. As such, I thought that west37 would be able to relate to it. Although I'm independent, I can't help agreeing with kia's distinction between Right Wingers and Left Wingers. (Left Wingers also seem to be better spellers.)

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