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'Things have to change so that they can stay the same'


Can someone please explain to me what the movie (and book) is trying to say by this exactly?

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hi,

i think it means that although people may change, for example faces of those in power, meaning in the end the labels change, in the end the substance stays the same. in the film although there was a revolution and different people came into power and a new class was emerging and gaining strength, this change was not a real change, because as was seen the aristocracy still had power and strength. also, sometimes in order to prevent REAL substantial change there are other changes. for instance in politics although parties come and go and it seems like real change has happened in actual fact they are still serving the same people's interests.

sorry if the explanation is a bit bad, it's hard to explain in typing. hope you get the idea though :)

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Yes - not forgetting the role and the power (financial and moral) of the Catholic church, which will endure (and still does?) - a point made at the beginning of The Leopard..



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in the film although there was a revolution and different people came into power and a new class was emerging and gaining strength, this change was not a real change, because as was seen the aristocracy still had power and strength.

The aristocracy?! By the end of the film, the aristocracy has collapsed and they are replaced by the middle-class. The people who fought the revolution are naturally kept out by the social climbers. The aristocracy will survive as ghosts, as casks, as zombies which is worse than actual death.


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I studied this idea in English Lit and history last year.
It is simply that the aristocracy must accept the rise in power and circumstance of the monied merchant class to ensure their survival. Anjelica's father is such a man and the Leopard strongly advocates his nephew into marriage with her as her wealth will save the dignity of his own family name and estate. The Leopard argues that if the aristocracy does not absorb this new class they will become impoverished and disappear. It also has a political meaning as the aristocracy easily transformed from being under the Bourbons in Sicily to being the aristocracy of a new united Italy under Piedmont. For them nothing changes in their life style but they must accept new society and a new ruler to maintain their position.

Hope this explains it to you!


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It's essentially a very cynical take on the futility of revolution.

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It's essentially a very cynical take on the futility of revolution.

Considering the director was a lifelong committed Marxist and prominent liberal, that is most certainly not the point of the film or the meaning that line takes on as the film goes.

It's basically self-justification for compromise. What we see is a revolution compromised and Tancredi's transformation from a handsome, romantic soldier to a vain opportunistic puppet for higher interests. Which is why the casting of a icon like Alain Delon works because you wouldn't think someone so daring and smart would be corrupted so easily and yet he is.


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"Considering the director was a lifelong committed Marxist and prominent liberal"

You can't be a Marxist and a "liberal"; Liberalism is a centrist ideaology whereas Marxism is far left. Liberlaism is closer to Conservatism than it is to Socialism as they are both centrist (centre-left and centre-right). In the same way Conservatism is further from Fascism than it is to Liberalism as that is far right on the political spectrum.

Other than that you are correct that it is unlikely that Visconti would have see the "futility of revolution" as a Marxist.

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Doctor Trelawney, you are way off.

It might be edifying to think of the Italian political thinker Antonio Gramsci in order to grasp the fullest meaning of the OP's quote.

Gramsci (of whom Visconti was consciously aware) developed a concept called "hegemony" to refer to a kind of power in society that relies mostly on consent rather than overt exercise of coercion. When a ruling class has "hegemony" its exercise of power and its social order seems "natural" to important elements in society. In terms of strategy it can involve actual negotiations and concessions with other social forces so as to make its rule operate more smoothly. Gramsci was a (cultural) Marxist (he did not see Marx in terms of economic determinism) so he saw this in terms of capital owners and workers BUT his method was historical so it was not a "static" way of explaining society - the nature of hegemony must be analyzed in terms of specific historical situations.

Ideology was crucial for Gramsci - the ruling classes need to make their rule appear as natural, desirable, inevitable, etc. A key strategy for the ruling class is also what Gramsci called "trasformiso" - the co-opting of leaders of resistance elements in society.

However, for Gramsci, "civil society" has potential for both conservative strategies and transformative ones. He did NOT see revolution as futile but in fact advocated it in Italy in the 1920s and 1930s. His work is basically a study of the balance of social forces in Italy at the time and an assessment for how social change might happen, including the possible strategies, dangers and setbacks.

I've outlined only a brief sketch to Gramsci. If you're interested in this approach to analyzing social transformations, check out Gramsci's Prison Notebooks which contain his key concepts and ideas and which is very influential in critical approaches in the social sciences.

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Can someone please explain to me what the movie (and book) is trying to say by this exactly?

It's what a character says, first of all. Taken in context, it's a pithy aphorism characteristic of dashing aristocractic dandies like Tancredi trying to appear as intelligent and insightful to his great uncle.

As the story advances it takes on different meaning which I think is fairly clear and direct by the end.



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If it is really so "clear and direct" you could just explain it instead of being so vague and platitudinous.

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Watch the film!

When Tancredi says that "Things have to change so that they can stay the same" he's being smart and cocky. But the end of the film gives it the force of irony, the irony is fairly clear. The Risorgimento which Tancredi "supported" was a movement for the re-unification of Italy into a Republic, where Sicily would be a free state in a free country. Instead it means just another foreign power extending their hold on the native populace. And this was necessitated by Tancredi with his marriage(and subsequently his seat in the senate) to a middle-class merchant's daughter. On one hand he's made sure that the gentry remain the same but he has done so by becoming the puppet of the bourgeosie, the new middle class.


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In fact, Tancredi was right in his cynical assessment.

He joined Garibaldi, the subversive antithesis of his class and tradition, making a name for himself. He participated in the making of a new united Italy. This unification and modernization of Italy was inevitable, something he understood. Thus, he joined the times, seemingly cutting his ties from his past. Joining the revolution made him seem like a revolutionary, what the idealism of that time required. By becoming something of a hero, he becomes the "elite" of the era, as well as the "elite" of the past. Doing so made him seem progressive and less threatening to the masses. As soon as it was unfashionable, or rather, politically uninteresting to be a Garibaldi Red Shirt, he joined the Royal Forces of the New Italy which then became more accepted and trusted. Although it was hypocritical to again work for the elite/nobility/royalty, the political climate favored it. Tancredi's political allegiances always reflected the spirit of the times rather than his convictions. By following the spirit of the times he always maintained the upper hand. Towards the end of the film, he once again proved his assessment to work in his favor, as Tancredi was going to run for elections. Since the eligible voters were probably going to vote for him anyway (this was addressed in the film where the masses followed Prince Salina's electoral choices), it is safe to say that Tancredi will probably become the new era's prominent politician. This proves that a leopard may change his spots but is still a leopard. A prince can always remain a prince on top if he knows how to play the game. Prince Salina mourns this fact, as he is nostalgic and wishes for the world he treasured to be forever preserved. However, he is full of sadness that people like Tancredi are going to change the very world they miss in order to stay in power.

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“Unless we ourselves take a hand now, they’ll foist a republic on us. If we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change.” When the Prince of Salina earlier protests: “A Falconeri should be with us, for the King”, Tancredi exclaims: “For the King, yes, of course. But which King?”


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