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I simply do not understand this film, nor its appeal. Explanation?


Very little happens throughout the three hours which leads me to believe it's a character based film, however I have no idea what the characters are thinking at any point throughout the film. I had no idea what historical events were occurring as I have no knowledge of that point in history, so I didn't understand what they were fighting for either. The prince seemed depressed and sedated near the end of the film, that much was obvious, but I couldn't tell why. The film finished with a tear rolling down his cheek, him praying, getting up and walking away. For me, this was the ending, from which i drew no meaning, to a film from which i drew no meaning.

Can someone please explain what this movie was truly about? I cannot ever recall understanding a movie (its themes, its point, the significance of many seemingly irrelevant plot points (most of the movie), and its acclaim) this little before in my life.

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The original poster was merely asking for explanations to help him/her understand the film. There was no reason to be so condescending. You could have employed Visconti's generosity of spirit and been a kind-hearted guide.

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I agree with you bananacharlie. I found this film horribly boring. The invasion, war, and election are all really just sojourns, and while they are important to understand the history of Sicily, when it comes to this film I believe the scenes did nothing to add to the story line other than to provide background.

That brings us to the last 45 minutes of the film, the party. Big whoop. Aside from the costumes, I think this ballroom scene is horribly boring and ruins anything I liked about the film prior. Lancster provides us with long silent looks (while we are supposed to read his mind) instead of dialogue.

I wanted to like this film, I really did, especially since it is about Sicily. I support what this film was attempting to convey and achieve, but I believe it fell short of the goal and the story should have been told altogether differently. 5/10

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"The invasion, war, and election are really just sojourns, and while they are important to understand the history of Sicily, when it comes to this film I believe the scenes did nothing to add to the story line other than to provide background."

On the contrary, the reasons for the inclusion of the events is to show how historical and political events impact on the lives of individuals, and by using some of the running time to explicate the vicissitudes society was undergoing at the time, the viewer understands better the plight of the characters. What better way to delineate character than via the method of showing how people are influenced by events, in this case events that were to shape the decline of the Prince's family and the aristocracy? The invasion, the war and the elections are indispensable to the narrative.

Apropos your other remarks, I don't want to make assumptions, but maybe you are too conditioned to narratives that patronises it's audience by making everything really obvious and leaving the viewer to make no deductions about the psychological realm of the characters, but as I have already pointed out, I think you would understand the significance of the ballroom scene and Lancaster's seeming abstraction at the party if you did some supplementary reading about that particular epoch. Or maybe you should be more attentive next time, because throughout the film the Prince expresses his fears about what the Risorgimento means for the aristocracy.

Returning to the comment you made about the Prince's stares, I don't think it takes the most perspicacious observer to discern, surrounded by young voluptuaries as he is, that this has precipitated in him a feeling of melancholy and reflection as he walks like a spectre through all the happiness and joy which now seems so alien to him in his incipient decrepitude.

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Why do you expect anyone else to explain why YOU were bored by this movie?

Only you can answer that question. Everybody is bored by different things.

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I'm reading between the lines of the OP's message, and I'm guessing it's more than he/she simply being bored by the movie. It seems as if the OP didn't choose to see this movie, but was forced to watch it as part of a Film Appreciation or International Cinema course and, judging by the very specific questions, is basically asking IMDb's users to write his/her essay for them.

Yeah, they're dead, they're--all messed up.

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The reasons why people may find this film boring are the very same reasons Prince Salina is so depressed. There are so many layers and subtleties that this film has successfully addressed and expressed. A lesser filmmaker wouldn't be able to pull this off, and this shows what a consummate master Visconti was.

As a modern audience, I too found this film boring at times, because it is because of the typical Visconti pacing which Hollywood action-minded modern audiences unfortunately find too slow. But after reading more about The Leopard and its history, I found it very interesting.

Towards the end of the film, I came to care about the characters because it's a world that no longer exists.

Back to why Prince Salina is so pensive and depressed/forlorn. He knows he belongs to a historical world and generation that will be forgotten and ultimately misunderstood as quaint antiquity. His concerns, observations, and way of life, which Visconti beautifully documents, will no longer continue. It is a lost dream. Modern audiences are unable to relate to this film precisely of the fact that it is about a world that is long gone, exactly what Prince Salina was lamenting.

Add that to Visconti's traditional film-making style of steady pacing and rhythm - that is, a record of moods and impressions rather than plot and action.

I posted this in another thread:

In fact, Tancredi was right in his cynical assessment.

He joined Garibaldi, the subversive antithesis of his class and tradition, making a name for himself. He participated in the making of a new united Italy. This unification and modernization of Italy was inevitable, something he understood. Thus, he joined the times, seemingly cutting his ties from his past. Joining the revolution made him seem like a revolutionary, what the idealism of that time required. By becoming something of a hero, he becomes the "elite" of the era, as well as the "elite" of the past. Doing so made him seem progressive and less threatening to the masses. As soon as it was unfashionable, or rather, politically uninteresting to be a Garibaldi Red Shirt, he joined the Royal Forces of the New Italy which then became more accepted and trusted. Although it was hypocritical to again work for the elite/nobility/royalty, the political climate favored it. Tancredi's political allegiances always reflected the spirit of the times rather than his convictions. By following the spirit of the times he always maintained the upper hand. Towards the end of the film, he once again proved his assessment to work in his favor, as Tancredi was going to run for elections. Since the eligible voters were probably going to vote for him anyway (this was addressed in the film where the masses followed Prince Salina's electoral choices), it is safe to say that Tancredi will probably become the new era's prominent politician. This proves that a leopard may change his spots but is still a leopard. A prince can always remain a prince on top if he knows how to play the game. Prince Salina mourns this fact, as he is nostalgic and wishes for the world he treasured to be forever preserved. However, he is full of sadness that people like Tancredi are going to change the very world they miss in order to stay in power.

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You are wrong, Tancredi wasn't right! lol

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You watched this film and didn't see its cinematographic innovations? What's here to explain anymore?

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I can certainly understand why people (and perhaps especially film critics) would find The Leopard appealing and, sure, there´s stuff that appeals to me, too. What´s not to like about the lush, gorgeous cinematography or Lancaster´s commanding leading performance that´s up there with his best work alongside his roles in Birdman Of Alcatraz or Sweet Smell Of Success. On the whole though I found the experience rather problematic - mainly, the production is so overbearingly grand and lavish that it often comes across as more concerned with its art design and coreographing its large, crowded set pieces than what it actually wants to say. The concluding ball sequence which lasts more or less an hour, being of course the most glaring example of that - the wordless twirling of impeccably period-costumed upper class folk just goes on and on and ultimately reduces the poignant potency of Lancaster´s pensive stroll in the surrounding empty rooms and interactions that are supposed to be the meat of it all. Plus, it all gets pretty dull occasionally. Moreso, for instance, than the first-act wedding scene in Cimino´s The Deer Hunter (which is said to be strongly influenced by this same Visconti´s ball here) which seems to handle its rhythms better and manages to eventually build up to a greater, more acute emotional impact than this particular sequence.

Additionally, I got the feeling that the film wasn´t perhaps as accurate in hitting the nerve of the revolutionary times it depicts - despite the early battle scenes, the political earthquakes remain more of a vague and distant rumble and the reality of the times feels quite muted and not very urgent as it gets diluted in lengthy passages of socialite interactions around the palace(s) and countryside. For such a very generous length, the film seems kind of underdramatized... or, perhaps more accurately, the goings-on are often quite lax and don´t have the proper dramatic tension. And, last and maybe indeed the least, Nino Rota´s score for me at least didn´t quite reach the heights one would perhaps have expected; at any rate, it does not strike me as a very memorable one.

All of the above may make it seem like I really hated the picture, but this isn´t the case; there´s always this tendency, when confronted with a very highly acclaimed film such as this, to make elephants out lesser-sized(perceived) flaws. I think ´mostly´ the film does manage to successfully communicate what´s on its mind, even if I couldn´t quite bring myself to relate to the sadness felt by a Sicilian prince over being a relic of the bygone era in the face of a major changing of the guards. Also, the ambivalent, chameleon-like qualities of the folks that newly find themselves on top of things and in a position of power, is keenly and accurately observed (although Alain Delon´s performance as the reprentative figure of fickle allegiances, is somewhat one-note). And of course, there are some truly powerful scenes such as the concluding one although my favourite probably remains - a bit obviously, perhaps - Lancaster´s speech at dawn to the departing senator about leopards and lions and hyenas (and then there´s this exquisite edit when the sight of working peasants overlaps with the sounds of a party occasion in the palace, subtly hinting at the mingling of the classes going on). Overall, a good film although it never really struck a chord with me. 7-7,5/10.





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Reading Lampedusa's excellent novel and the history encompassing this period will go a long way towards appreciating what Visconti was trying to do.

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I have no idea what the characters are thinking at any point throughout the film.

I pretty much agree with this. I only knew what the hell was going on in their minds because I read the book, otherwise I think I would have felt the exact same way while watching it. Lampedusa spends most of the book explaining the relationship between each family and town members, as well as their political position in the revolution, and I can't really see any of that in the film. I don't even think the characters are properly introduced, they look more like props to the action than actual people. As if Visconti only tried to enact the scenes in the book without trying to make the characters likeable (or dislikeable, in some cases), apart from Don Fabrizio. I don’t believe the characters should have to verbalize everything they’re feeling, it’s the director’s job to pass that through to the audience, and in this case, whatever Visconti did that managed to make an impression on everybody else, didn’t work for me either. It’s a beautiful movie to look at, and a nice complement to the book, but it wasn’t very involving.

Language! The thing that means stuff.

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I sympathise with the OP. While I found the film phenomenally boring, I was left with a sense of awe and wonder and a desire to research about this period of Italian history of which I know absolutely nothing. I did feel as if the movie assumed too much previous knowledge on the part of the viewer. It might be a good idea to read the book before approaching this movie again, or read up on the relevant history.

I took a short-cut towards the end; I turned on the English audio track on the DVD, where some very helpful commentary was recorded.

Excellent acting by Burt Lancaster, fantastic costume design, very deep plot and masterful subtlety, but in the end still a very, very boring movie by modern standards.

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"very boring movie by modern standards"

so that means it's awesome as modern standards are horrible

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In one sentence you summed up exactly what the problem is for viewers who have been fed a diet of cinematic garbage for decades! I saw the film (Criterion Blu-ray) recently and was mesmerized. I think some knowledge of Italian history helps but as one writer on the boards here mentioned if one pays close attention to the film it is not difficult to understand. As for the "slow pace", most moviegoers that I talk to these days constantly complain about slow moving films, those films usually being dramas. However, I think the big problem is the attention deficit disorder of so many present-day moviegoers (even older people who have succumbed to the empty, shallow storytelling techniques used in today's films and the dumbing down of subject matter). Visconti was a great film director. Another incredible film is "Rocco And His Brothers", and so many other Visconti films bear watching and repeat viewings.

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However, I think the big problem is the attention deficit disorder of so many present-day moviegoers/



Another slam at ADHD from someone who must know nothing about this... ARRGH!

I am in my 60s but did not know I had ADHD till I was about 40 years old. (I'm not certain of the year and my age, as that seems to be part of the disorder: difficulty with keeping track of time).

I have NO problem with slow, thoughtful, complex material, and I imagine that's true of most ADHDers. What disturbs and flusters us is hectic moviemaking such as seen in the Transformers series or "Speed Racer", as well as the idiotic "comedies" preferred nowadays. Rapid cuts and mayhem are irritations, not entertainment.

Why do people so misunderstand it then toss it around as an insult?! Someone with aDHD generally can follow material that might lose others; we tend to be intuitive and empathic. For example, if we explain something, we generally go the long way around, where others might wrap it up in a few words and move on. We tend to like time taken in telling stories.

Cut out the idea that ADHDers are messy-brained lovers of nonsensical action movies. Explosions and high-speed chases generally are not the way to our hyperactive minds unless delivered with a certain style.

My younger sister (now gone0 and I both had learning disabilities of various types, yet among our favorite films were "Barry Lyndon" and "All the President's Men". They're films I still love, of course. We also enjoyed action/adventure movies but noted that, about 1995, films overall seemed to be in a downward spiral along with music and television programming as the truly lamebrained viewers rooted out so much of the "good stuff".

I know the responses of my sister and I aren't unusual because ADHD happens to show up on both sides of the family quite a lot, and none of us has ever shown the mentality typically described by those who know nothing about it and likely think we eat too much sugar. So, people, cut it out!



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I am constantly amazed these days by the inability of so many moviegoers to watch movies with an intelligent eye and ear. Most people I know get restless almost immediately after a film starts : a cousin of mine recently was watching the wonderful Coen Bros. remake of "True Grit" on TV and announced 10 minutes into the film, "Well, it's not great yet!" (He hated it, by the way, no surprise there). What is interesting regarding reading this particular post on "The Leopard" is that the very ignorant posts are followed by very intelligent comments attempting to explain to the clueless individuals what it is they're missing : movie Do Not have to "explain" everything to the viewer ; but the explanation is there, in the direction, the editing, the writing and the acting. "The Leopard" is a magnificent piece of work and I'm encouraged to read so many intelligent comments on this post. There ARE people out there who really love movies!

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