Different Versions


Can anyone out there tell me about the different versions of this movie? I know Criterion is releasing the supposedly full Italian version (187 minutes) and the cut, dubbed American version (161 minutes), but I heard the Italian DVD, which was also supposedly complete and was supervised by the Cinematographer came in at 180 minutes, and that there was going to be a UK DVD release at 195 minutes (though I don't think that actually came out). I also heard the complete version clocked at 205 minutes, though I read somewhere that this was possibly just a myth that may have been spawned by the original theatrical program which quoted this length but included a 20 minute intermission in the running time. But then again, I've also heard the original cut was 225 minutes long. Anybody have more information on this, such as what is the length of the complete cut, and is the Criterion DVD uncut?

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Good questions, that I would like answered, too. Esp. since AMC is about to
run this film (sadly with commercials) for the first time tonight. Has anyone seen the Criterion version yet? I guess we could check the Criterion website to
see what they say, or Amazon, if anyone has posted something. Have been looking forward to this for years. I'm hoping TCM will run it on their foreign films
night.

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I just watched the Criterion version last night: the 185 minute Italian version. (The DVD also includes the 160 minute US version but I haven't seen that so can't comment on it.) The Italian version is great, but at times the story jumps awkwardly, as if a scene was missing. It doesn't ruin the film, but there were a few times when I was left wondering exactly what was going on. Given these jumps, I'd be willing to be that the 205 minute version Roger Ebert refers to in his review contained a lot more story and wasn't due to the inclusion of an intermission. And given that the picture in the Criterion version is so beautiful, I was more than happy to put up with a few missing scenes. The ball at the end is awesome to look at.

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Wen originally opened in Mexico city, th film ran about 150 mnts. Was the international version distribuited by Fox. But, in the early 70es. I was lucky to atend to an special screening at the original mexican cinemateque (now gone by fire), in a Visconti's retrospective festival. Te print was provided by the italian emmbasy. In italian, no subtittles, but in stunnig Super-Technirama 70mm version. The running time was 205 mnts. just about the same of the Criterion version. Then, in 1984, te destiny put me again in a theatre screening of the film. Now was in New York, at the Ziegfield Theater (Now gone also I think),the newly restored print was great, but sadly in 35mm.
Also in italian but with english subttitles. I'm sure the Criterion DVD version it's very near to the original.

Mish.

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I saw a 205 minute version several years ago at a film fest in San Francisco. Sadly, one of my favorite scenes is only in that version (it's not in the 185 version on the Criterion DVD I just finished watching). It is of the Prince, early on, in town talking to a friend about how the times are quickly changing... It may have been taken out as being too obvious in terms of the film's theme about the end of an era, but it featured some of Lancaster's most subtle and touching acting. I can still remember his slightly moist eyes and his gallant smile in that scene. I thought Criterion took pride in only releasing the longest released version of a film.

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I have just watched the BFI version (British Film Institute region 2 release} which clocks in at 178 minutes - Italian with English subtitles. The overall picture and sound quality is excellent. However, the Criterian Italian version is longer and I'm left wondering if the BFI release is incomplete.
I saw the film many (many!) years ago and also in the 1970's on BBC TV and seem to recall a scene with Burt Lancaster on the balcony of his observatory/study, the music building as he looks out at the landscape and the sky. Also, the early scene that saltsan mentions isn't included unless this is the scene in which the Prince and the priest walk through the town to vote in the election.
Watching the film on dvd I am now aware of a lack of coherency with regard to the passage of time. According to the commentary the film spans a period of two years, but the action appears to be fairly continuous, the only real clue being the changes we see in Trancredi (Delon).
I would also like to add a word of caution when comparing cinema run times with those on dvd:
Film runs are 24 frames per second. UK TV (PAL) runs at 25 frames per second. US TV (NTSC) runs at 30 frames per second. When a film is converted to a PAL release it is just run at 25fps as the speed increase isn’t noticeable, but for the US market the film is converted to 30fps without speeding up the film. So a film running 100 minutes is converted to UK 25fps leaving a run time of 96 minutes.

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I own the Criterion version, reg 1, which is bit of a nuisance as I have to watch it on the computer. When I saw it many years ago in Edinburgh I fell in love with both the story and a splendid large poster of the 3 main characters.(Burt, full length on left) Would have paid well to get hold of a copy but was only a poor student.
The other version? THE BOOK! The film is very faithful to the story but the book will clarify any omitted subtlties. And of course a trip to Donafugatta, N. Sicily is the Mecca.(near Palermo)
READ THE BOOK!
A J
GREAT THEME TUNE
Ps couldn't quite feel Burt was right age to "feel too young"

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Luchino Visconti's film of "The Leopard" was released in Italy on March 29, 1963 with, apparently, a running time of 205 minutes. There was an intermission though it likely didn't last as long as 20 minutes, but more like 10-15. My guess is the 205 minute figure doesn't include an intermission as official running times rarely, if ever, factored in that highly variable time period. The earliest review I've seen, in the April 17, 1963 issue of "Variety", critiques the print playing on April 9th at the Cinema Barberini in Rome. The write-up does, in fact, specify a running time of 205 minutes, but without mention of any intermission. The piece is largely positive, though the reviewer does complain that "at nearly 3 and a half hours running time, the film is way overlong". Even today, most European references list a 205 minute running time for "The Leopard", though it seems apparent that few filmgoers ever saw a print of that length.

At some point shortly after the film premiered, producer Goffredo Lombardo and Visconti decided that "The Leopard", though well-received by Roman audiences, was indeed too long, and cut about 20 minutes from it, so that it now ran 185 minutes. This is the version that's available on the Criterion and BFI DVDs. Besides the 185 and 205 minute cuts, there was still another version, this one running 195 minutes. It was this cut that, according to Italian news sources, screened in competition at the Cannes Film Festival where it went on to win the coveted Palm d'Or. As for the English language dubbed, 163 minute version, that cut was put together by 20th Century Fox, who distributed it in North America and Great Britain. Visconti had no input regarding the editing and lousy dubbing done by Fox, and he subsequently disowned that hodge-podge after seeing it in London.

Regarding the fabled deleted footage, reportedly it includes a sequence depicting a dream the Prince has about his Italian prostitute/mistress, and a beautiful Parisian courtesan. A second deleted sequence shows a wounded Tancredi and several soldiers inside a convent where they take refuge during the Battle of Palermo. A third cut scene shows the Prince at tea with Tancredi, Conchetta, and Tancredi's General, where the General is encouraged to sing (which we later see). There were also, apparently, a few "bits and pieces" trimmed from other scenes that remain in the film, more or less intact.

Although it seems unfair to call the 185 minute version of "The Leopard" the 'full-length' one, when some audiences did see a longer cut, that editon was reportedly Visconti's "preferred version" or, as some call it, his "director's cut". The longer 205 minute version was, from what I've read, actually something of a mixed bag which Visconti was wise to trim. Apparently, the extra footage deepened parts of the storyline and characterizations, but at the same time it complicated an already complex and involving plotline. Of course, it would be great to see, at this point, what that fabled 205 minute version was actually like, but, unfortunately, from all indications the deleted footage was either thrown out or is hidden some place no one can seem to find.

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Hey, thanks, dan1664!!!!! I've just watched this film, and your explanation about many different versions really helped. Thanks again! :)


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At the risk of adding noise and junk to the information stream, I would like to introduce some anecdotal evidence. This may well be dead wrong, but there is a small chance that this just might prove useful. I ran IL GATTOPARDO back in 2001 or 2002 in Buffalo. The print was in deplorable condition, with all the sprocket holes damaged. After attempting to repair five of the twelve reels, I sent an email to the programmers to order a different print, as I feared this one would not make it through the machines. They tried, but discovered that what I had on the rewind bench was the only circulating print anywhere in the US (except for a 16mm print that was in English and was severely cut, and hence was unacceptable). So I asked that they cancel the screening. They wouldn't hear of it, and insisted that I finish inspecting and repairing the film. Twenty-five hours later, with my fingers torn to bleeding confetti by the ragged film, I was drenched with sweat, but I had finished, just in time to go on screen. I walked downstairs for a breath of fresh air, and when the programmers saw me, they asked, 'What happened to you?' So we ran the film, which on screen looked surprisingly good, and one would not guess from the image that the print was nearly unprojectable. And miraculously it did not break! When the movie was over, a number of people in the audience sought me out to reproach me for having cut so much out of the movie. They had seen it a few years earlier at the Film Forum in Manhattan, and they insisted that what they had seen at the Film Forum was about half an hour longer than what they had just seen me run in Buffalo. I tried to explain that I had deleted only a single frame (1/24 of a second) because it was too shattered to be repaired, but that other than that, everything that Fox had shipped to us, I had shown, and that the running time of 185 minutes seemed quite complete to me, and was certainly longer than the previous US version. My explanation held no weight with these peeved audience members, who seemed convinced I was lying. I thought they were misremembering, especially after I asked them to tell me precisely what was missing. They could not recall any specifics. So I dismissed their story. Others who overheard this exchange ironically pitched in that they wished I had indeed cut it, and singled out the lengthy ballroom scene as something they could have done without. (By the way, IL GATTOPARDO was the final straw that convinced me never to take another job as projectionist. After completing the grueling process of repairing the movie, I realized that the next cinema would tear it up all over again. This was an exercise in futility, and I lost all patience with that line of work.)

A few years later Fox made a brand-new print and UCLA ran it. I attended. Again it was 185 minutes, and again several audience members were up in arms, furious that this abridgment was being falsely advertised as a restoration that was uncut. Some said they had seen a 205-minute version elsewhere in California, just within the past few years. Others said they had recently seen a 195-minute version (I think at the AMPAS Goldwyn Theatre on Wilshire in Beverly Hills). So again, I asked them to tell me precisely what they had seen at those earlier screenings that was missing in the version we had just seen at UCLA. And again, they got vague, saying that some scenes simply ran on longer, but one person mentioned that in one of the longer versions there was an explanation of why the family had chosen the serval to be on its coat of arms. I asked who had supplied the longer prints, but nobody had a clue.

Not long after that, I met a Fox Channel movie programmer (can't remember her name now) and asked her about this. This was not her area of expertise, but to the best of her knowledge the 185-minute version was all that Fox had. If there were longer prints around, she guessed, they must be in the hands of private collectors.

So there you have it. If you know the whereabouts of any version longer than the one currently on DVD, please let me know. Many thanks! [email protected]

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On Netflix instant play there is "The Leopard (English version)". And not on instant play (DVD only) there is "The Leopard (Italian version)". Which one is the one to watch?

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The Italian version. In the supplemental material on the Criterion edition, Sydney Pollock, who was responsible for preparing the U.S. edition, admits that it was a big mistake. First, having English coming out the characters' mouths is all wrong. Also, Lancaster's voice, and especially his accent, is disconcerting, not appropriate to Don Fabrizio's character. Pollack claims responsibility for the failure of that version. I haven't seen it, only the brief clips in that supplement, but I have to agree with him. The deep, resonant Italian voice that was dubbed while Lancaster mouthed pretty much nothing is far superior. As Pollack says, you're reading subtitles much of the time, anyway, so you don't notice any incongruity. The only problem I have with that is that the subtitles distract the eye from the extreme beauty of the movie and its direction.

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