Nina firing Maxie!
So much for the loving sister in law going all out for your wedding.
The claws come out when you mess with Nina's stepdaughter.
So glad she did that! Maxie has some nerve. Yeah, I'm going to go behind your back and tell my friend to come see her kid, but at the same time I don't want you to tell your husband about it and I'm going to back to work.
What a freaking idiot!
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On the other hand Nina hasn't done one single thing to help Charlotte connect with her mother.
Let's not ignore the selfish reasons behind that.
All that will make it even more difficult for the child further down the road.
This could just be me watching a lot of court shows where the husband brings his new wife when he is suing his ex. But I don't think it is Nina's job to get Charlotte to bond with her mother. If anything, it is just between the bio parents of this kid and supposedly that is Valentin and Lulu if I even believe it.
Botton line, though, she asked for the custody hearing, talked to a lawyer and didn't follow her advice. So she shot herself in the foot with that.
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Right. I don't know how anyone could possibly defend Maxi's actions in this situation. Once again she displayed horrible judgment. She deserved to be fired.
shareRight. I don't know how anyone could possibly defend Maxi's actions in this situation. Once again she displayed horrible judgment. She deserved to be fired.
Definitely without a doubt.
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But I don't think it is Nina's job to get Charlotte to bond with her mother.
No but it would help the child greatly if she did.
But of course, Nina has her own agenda in the situation which blinds Charlotte from what she is needing.
What's Nina going to do when all this comes crashing down on her and Charlotte should happen to get placed with her biological mother? Go off the deep end again and kidnap the child like she's done before?
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Nina would have been more welcoming of Lulu's involvement with Charlotte if that was what Charlotte needed and desired. But Lulu's presence is something that scares and traumatizes Charlotte, and Lulu is not willing to accept this and back off. And I don't think Nina will regress to her previous state of mental disorder. Unlike Lulu, who has shown zero character growth over the years, Nina has evolved into a strong and independent woman. And she is a great stepmother so far. But to be fair, Maxie is the one who tricked her into coming to Crimson. Maxie deserved to be fired
shareWe know what Maxie did and her getting fired for it is getting off easy. I don't know why you keep bringing her up when she's not the issue.
Nina's obsession is the issue.
Yes Lulu's presence is disarming to the child because she's tried to force herself on her. Everyone already knows all that since it's not a secret after falling into a wedding cake trying to do so.
But there's things Nina could do to help the child with what she needs, rather than what she doesn't want ... but Nina isn't doing any of it because the bottom line is that she wants the kid for herself.
How about being mature in the situation, help the child establish a relationship with her mother and let the child see how good of a person you are for doing that?
The title of this thread is Nina Firing Maxie. I'm just keeping to topic by pointing out that in this particular situation the person most at fault was Maxie. Not Lulu. Not Nina. You are the one turning this into a thread against Nina. The entire custody issue has become a legal issue right now. It is not Nina's place to try to bring Charlotte and Lulu together. If Lulu is granted partial custody, it may be supervised custody or occur within the context of family
therapy. That would be in Charlotte's best interest since she is terrified of Lulu. Nina is not a therapist and not in the position two fix this situation.
The title of this thread is Nina Firing Maxie. I'm just keeping to topic by pointing out that in this particular situation the person most at fault was Maxie. Not Lulu. Not Nina. You are the one turning this into a thread against Nina.
Fine. We'll keep it in the Maxie zone.
What the hell will Nina do without her? Maxie does all the work to where Nina seems to pile it all on her desk.
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Thank you RussianRed.
"Lulu wants to bond with her child. I don't see anything wrong with that. charolette is scared, I get it . But Nina and Valentin were never even planning on telling her about Lulu. They should be concerned with warming charolette up to her. Charolette acted rude and nasty, she should've at least been reprimanded."
Maxie might not have been thinking of her job, but she was thinking of her friend. She knew that Nina is doing everything she can to keep Lulu around from her own child. Lulu didn't abandon her child so Nina needs to stop acting like she did. Her child was stolen and that is why her child doesn't know her. Why should the child be scared of her? Lulu has never done anything other than try to to nice to her. Did Charlotte act like that when Claudette said Nathan was her father? or when Griffin was her father, even when she had her "papa" the whole time?
A custody hearing is coming and a good chance that Lulu is going to get at least partial custody, if Nina loved that child like she said she did, she would be trying to make the adjustment easier for the child, telling her that Lulu only wants to get to know her and she should give her a chance. But Nina is a self-serving hypocrite (after stealing Ava's child from her womb) who wants to keep the child for herself.
Nina was in over her head at that magazine before Maxie showed her how it is done. Let her try to run it without her.
Nina is not doing anything to drive them away from each other either.When they were in private she told her she shouldn't have yelled at her.
I think Nina wants to helps raise Charlotte period.She just doesnt want Lulu to get full custody.
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It would have helped if Lulu agreed to the shared custody that Valentin suggested back then. That would have helped Charlotte but her mom was being selfish and only thinking of herself.
I could have sworn Valentin has his own agenda as well when he got Charlotte....he knew Nina wanted a kid and so he got Charlotte and now they are married so now Nina has a stepdaughter.
Personally, I think every adult in Charlotte's life has had ulterior motives. It's not really fair to just say Nina does when it's obvious no one is thinking fully what is best for her.
Funny that you bring Nina's past of wanting to kidnap a kid when Lulu said to Dante if it were not for him and Rocco, she would up and take Charlotte. I know it's not kidnapping to take your own kid. But the kid doesn't know you and that's just really stupid all around. She even considered not taking her back to Valentin when she was doing the shared custody thing and Charlotte obviously wanted to go back home.
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Let's say someone kidnapped your child when she was a baby. The child only knows the man who took her, bio dad or not, and he held you & others hostage, killed your brother, shot your friend because he protected your mother who was almost shot, and may have done away with the woman your daughter believed to be her bio. mom.
Would you really be okay with just leaving the small child with him? Children liked John Wayne Gacy, he dressed up like a clown, most though would never have allowed their children near him if they had known his nature.
Charlotte is just one of many soap kids that have ridiculous experiences. I don't though blame Lulu for worrying about her spending even a minute with Valentin. Nina's issues are also important because Nina isn't a relative so her realtionship with the child is optional. Parents decide who else and who will not be in their children's lives.
Lulu has acted too quickly telling Charlotte she is her mother but she has worried about and wants a relationship with her daughter. Valentin's games have prevented that.
I'm hoping Lulu isn't even really her mother. I also hope Nina wises up and realizes that she too is being played.
Your first paragraph makes no sense. That's no reason to try and take off with a child you know who doesn't know you very well.
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How does it not?
I asked what would you do if you were truly in Lulu's position.
If someone had kidnapped your child and thus are the reason said child never got to know you. If the child was attached to the person that took her, related to her or not. If all you knew about the person that had her was that he held you & others hostage, he killed your brother, he shot your friend, tried to shoot your mother, etc. Children are sometimes attached to bad people because they, and sometimes the adults, do not know what the person is capable of and/or has done.
Lulu is worried about her daughter. She isn't taking off with her. She felt desperate when she said that. A child taken in infancy only knows the kidnappers and would need time to bond with the real parent(s). It shouldn't be hindered more or even discouraged.
Good luck trying to put sense in their heads.
The show is designed for fans to bid for the criminals and the fans here fall prey to that even when it comes to children.
Something tells me though if this was real life and it was their child involved, they'd feel quite differently and wouldn't want a man like Valentin anywhere near their child.
What he did to Charlotte regarding Claudette was no form of father at all especially when he's more than likely holding her in captivity somewhere if he didn't already kill her.
I'm wondering if he does have Claudette, killed her, or she was a willing participant in his games. She may have taken money and hidden herself under another identity.
shareGood luck trying to put sense in their heads.
No one has been dismissive to your side of things here. Funny that's not reciprocated.
The show is designed for fans to bid for the criminals and the fans here fall prey to that even when it comes to children.
You mean like all the times people talk about how much they love Sonny and Jason and wish they got more screen time? Oh wait.
Something tells me though if this was real life and it was their child involved, they'd feel quite differently and wouldn't want a man like Valentin anywhere near their child.
Problem is if it was "real life" we'd be at a disadvantage since as an audience we have a near omnipresent view of events as they occur. We wouldn't be privy to any of the things we as the audience would know about Valentin and instead would have to rely on face value judgements, and the behavior of those who say he is a bad guy. And with Lulu acting like a selfish loon I wouldn't trust anything she said.
What he did to Charlotte regarding Claudette was no form of father at all especially when he's more than likely holding her in captivity somewhere if he didn't already kill her.
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Or he paid her to stay away
You mean paid her to stay away from the child so he could stage her death to the child?
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It is like Sonny and Jason though they aren't in this. All of the mothers of their respective children chose to have sex with them so that is on those mothers. I still can understand why they would be worried about their children being with their fathers. Lulu didn't have a choice. Her egg/embryo was taken, a child was created, and kept from her.
If this was real life, Lulu would still know what Valentin has done. That is what the discussion has been about, Lulu's feelings and actions.
I hear you Icing and totally agree with all. The worst is Lulu is being made out to be the bad guy because she wants her child away from the murderer who stole her embryo and kept her child from her. Lulu is not a loon for wanting to bond with her child. She is not a bad mother or ignoring Rocco just because they don't show him on screen (budgetary). She is not being selfish just because Nina says so.
Yes, Lulu jumped the gun on telling Charlotte the truth, but Valentin pretty much admitted he had no intention of telling Charlotte until she was old enough to understand. When would that be prey tell, when she is 18?! Why is it his decision? He is the babynapper!! I do think that Lulu and Dante should have consulted a child psychologist even before consulting a lawyer. A trained professional would have helped them determine the best way to tell Charlotte the truth.
There was a case similar in the news. A baby was stolen from the hospital and raised by the kidnapper. The child is now 18 and even though she found out the truth she still has feelings for the woman who raised her. I am sure it is very difficult for her real parents to see that their child loves the woman that stole her from them and i imagine it will take some time before she is able to adjust to her real parents. As a mother I can only imagine how painful this is for them.
I don't think anything in Lulu's behavior was in any way threatening. She was very gentle and friendly. There really is no reason for Charlotte to overact the way she did. Maybe Charlotte is upset because someone said her father murdered her mother and then Lulu told her that she is in fact her real mommy, which would mean her adored father lied. Or maybe she feel Lulu will try to take her away from her papa. Nina & Valentin have not done anything to make it easier on the child. They know a custody battle is coming and Lulu may win at least partial custody and they have not prepared her or answered her questions at all.
I still think that Valentin is enjoying Lulu being humiliated and rejected by Charlotte. I think this is all part of his plan.
Yes, if Nina values only loyalty, then she is right to fire Maxie, but it is unprofessional and without cause. She didn't fire Maxie because she was bad at her job. She fired her because she chose her best friend over her sister-in-law. She asked Maxie to watch her step-daughter, I don't remember her telling her under no circumstances was Lulu to see her daughter. And babysitting is not in Maxie's job description. Maxie did everything to make Nina and the magazine a success, so much for loyalty. Maxie is better off not working for that witch.
Why do you keep saying Valentin stole Lulu's embryo? So far there's no evidence of that. Valentin maintains he, too was a victim in this situation and that his sperms was used without his consent by Helena. Helena wanted to use Stavro's sperm, but he was infertile. I find it entirely believable that Helena was the villain in all of this. And it has then pointed out numerous times that Valentin did not intend to kill Nik, he killed him in self-defense. But I guess it is easier for fans of Lulu to continue to dismiss Valentin's right to raise his daughter by saying he stole the embryo and murdered Nik. Valentin did not kidnap Charlotte, she is his biological child and he has raised her, and they have a strong bond together. If Lulu had respected this reality in the first place, she would have had shared custody by now and it's quite possible Charlotte wouldn't regard her as a desperate, clingy, nutjob. It's ridiculous for you to put the full blame of this situation on Valentin, and I don't think Nina deserves any of the blame.
shareand it's quite possible Charlotte wouldn't regard her as a desperate, clingy, nutjob. It's ridiculous for you to put the full blame of this situation on Valentin, and I don't think Nina deserves any of the blame.
But is that what is really going on here?
Some would say that Charlotte is being a spoiled brat not actually fearing Lulu but throwing temper tantrums every time Lulu comes around in an effort to choose who she wants for a mother and the more Nina pours sugar on her from it all just enables the situation more.
And in that regards, Nina deserves full blame.
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Who else is saying that besides you? Lol. Did you watch the scene where Nina reprimanded Charlotte for her behavior and Charlotte apologized, or were you channel surfing during that scene? And from what I saw, Charlotte tried very hard to be patient when Lulu came into the room while she was coloring even though she clearly felt nervous and uncomfortable. Lulu kept talking and pushing and Charlotte eventually freaked out. If Lulu knew anything about young children, she would have sensed Charlotte's increased anxiety and left 10 minutes earlier than she did. If you're going to debate this subject, then debate it on the basis of what is actually shown.
shareSo it's no longer Charlotte fearing Lulu? It's now increased anxiety?
In other words, a tantrum to get what she wants .. or in this case, who.
Fear and anxiety go hand in hand. I think it is ridiculous that you are calling Charlotte a spoiled, temperamental brat, and blaming her for this unfortunate situation, for which she was in no way responsible. If this is where you have arrived in your thinking, then it's pointless to continue arguing with you.
shareCharlotte had no problem calling two other men "Daddy". She didn't even have issue not going with Valentin when she first saw him in Port Charles. She has been tossed around and never seemed to have met a stranger, until Lulu which is strange or coached. Lulu wasn't upsetting her early on but Charlotte still had issue with her.
As for the outburst, children do have them. They should be taught not to lash out and Nina did handle that. I do give her that one. Charlotte though needs counseling and bridge building and Nina shouldn't interfere with that.
throwing temper tantrums every time Lulu comes around in an effort to choose who she wants for a mother
Children, like dogs and horses, often have excellent instincts about strangers. Charlotte is well attuned to how cuckoo-bananas Lulu is acting.
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Children, like dogs and horses, often have excellent instincts about strangers. Charlotte is well attuned to how cuckoo-bananas Lulu is acting.
Like a mother who is wanting to bond with her child?
If Nina wasn't in the picture smothering her with affection, do you think Charlotte would be doing all this?
She wasn't before. In fact she went with Lulu willingly and spent a whole night with her without any problems at all.
She clearly wants Nina for a mother and is acting out with Lulu to get what she wants.
Don't act like kids don't know how to get what they want through behavioral problems because it's done all the time.
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Valentin's story is that his sperm was stolen to fertilize Lulu's egg cell. He then did steal the embryo. He chose to have another carry the child and keep her from Lulu from day one.
If biology doesn't matter then it shouldn't in Valentin's case. Most mothers would never want their child in the care of the person who murdered their brother among other things.
Nina is too mixed up in all of it. If this was even a regular custody issue she should step back and allow the parents to handle it. Nina is filling the void that Claudette left. That is for Lulu to do. Charlotte may be more receptive in at least trying to get to know Lulu if Nina wasn't so desperately playing mommy. Nina should be playing friend, at best. Nina though is being played by Valentin.
Oh, so we're not allowed to have opinions that are different from your own. Those are often bait/troll posts....I won't be sticking around long after this. I thought it would be nice to talk to others with different views but you obviously are not open to that.
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Oh, so we're not allowed to have opinions that are different from your own.
Who said anything about not being allowed??
People have took my opinions throughout this thread and differed with it. But we are not allowed to do that with yours?
It's called discussing things.
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Good luck trying to put sense in their heads.
Sounds like you can't handle opinions to me. So I'm kind of done here.
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It seems like you cannot handle it if you believe all that makes sense is only your own opinions and those who agree with you.
shareIf I were in her situation and called for a custody case, I would be smart enough to wait and not listen to my known to be reckless friend to come see a daughter who barely knows me.
But honestly, you're not making any sense. Lulu just went to see her so she could spend time with her. So what does Valentin's past have to do with that?
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Lulu didn't even know Charlotte was there. She stayed because she is a mother who longs for her child,
I'm making perfect sense. Valentin;s recent past has to do with the custody case and why Lulu is concerned for her child.
Why not answer what you would do if:
If someone had kidnapped your child and thus are the reason said child never got to know you. If the child was attached to the person that took her, related to her or not. If all you knew about the person that had her was that he held you & others hostage, he killed your brother, he shot your friend, tried to shoot your mother, etc. Children are sometimes attached to bad people because they, and sometimes the adults, do not know what the person is capable of and/or has done.
Would you want to share custody with a man that held you hostage and murdered your Brother?
shareWould you want to share custody with a man that held you hostage and murdered your Brother?
That is the million dollar question.
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Didn't Luke try to murder Nikolas on some mountain years ago? She dotes on Luke, which is proof positive Lulu is nuts.
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Didn't Luke try to murder Nikolas on some mountain years ago? She dotes on Luke, which is proof positive Lulu is nuts.
How about this one? lol
https://youtu.be/bJgr1Jl4pRA?t=33s
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On the other hand Nina hasn't done one single thing to help Charlotte connect with her mother.
Why the f--- should she? That's like complaining that Tom Brady didn't help the Falcons win the Super Bowl. Why the hell should Nina help Lulu undermine her own husband?
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Why the f--- should she?
Because in the end, it's all going to blow up in her face if she doesn't.
When Valentin is no longer in the picture, you think Lulu would want that nut-case anywhere near her daughter?
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How do you know how this SL is going to end? Are you privy to spoilers? I think the writers are going to realize how popular Valentin has become, and he may very well remain Charlotte's custodial parent. I think the writers may also realize how unpopular Lulu has become, so I wouldn't assume this is all going to work out in her favor. I don't think I'm alone in rooting for Valentin and Nina over Lulu and Anna, and also nutsy cuckoo Laura who wants to kill Valentin.
shareOn the other hand, they also seem to think that we all love Sonny...so who knows?
shareIf the writers kill off Valentin and turn it into another whodunit SL, they may finally lose me as a viewer. The reason I fear this happening is because of Laura talking about wanting to kill Valentin. And since the writers are clueless about how many viewers dislike Sonny, it's possible they may be clueless about how popular Valentin has become.
shareThe writers aren't going to kill off Valentin unless the actor chooses to move on.
He doesn't seem a permanent fixture though.
Valentin is interesting to watch. I don't though believe Lulu has become unpopular, especially just for wanting to mother the child stolen from her. Why should Lulu and Laura like the man that held them hostage, killed Nikolas (their loved one), and shot Kevin?
Valentin knew Lulu wouldn't have agreed to shared custody at the time and once she did he withdrew it. He has been playing games and all involved, even Charlotte, has been his pawns.
Charlotte deserves a relationship with all of her family members. She can decide who was/wasn't at fault when she's an adult and knows all of the circumstances.
Lulu isn't perfect. She though never gave her child away but had her stolen. She thus deserves the chance to bond with her.
This isn't a football game that is over and done once it's played.
Charlotte is a person and will continue on, her relationships throughout the years do matter.
Nina has issues with her own mother and is obsessed with being a mommy. I feel for her and other women in her position but no one can just take another's child. Charlotte has a mother. Her bonding with her has been prevented by Valentin since day one.
On the other hand Nina hasn't done one single thing to help Charlotte connect with her mother.
Let's not ignore the selfish reasons behind that.
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Nina is under no moral obligation to undermine her own husband's attempts to hold on to Charlotte, and frankly, the idea she does, is absurd.
shareNina is under no moral obligation to undermine her own husband's attempts to hold on to Charlotte, and frankly, the idea she does, is absurd.
Even when she finds out about his crimes such as the one with Claudette and then is faced with going down with him if she keeps silent? share
People forget that Valentin initially was very open to sharing custody with Lulu, and allowing her frequent contact with Charlotte. He wanted to hold off telling Charlotte that Lulu was her biological mother until a time when he thought Charlotte could handle this knowledge. Lulu was the one who responded with impatience and hostility, and refusing shared custody. Now this is entirely a legal issue. It is no longer up to Nina or Valentin to smooth the way for Charlotte to accept Lulu as a parent. It is up to the courts to decide if Lulu gets shared custody, and how that is to be implemented. My guess is that family therapy and court supervision would be involved in making this transition for Charlotte. Quit blaming Nina for the mess that Lulu created.
shareHe wanted to hold off telling Charlotte that Lulu was her biological mother until a time when he thought Charlotte could handle this knowledge.
In other words never.
Quit blaming Nina for the mess that Lulu created.
Or we could quit blaming Lulu for the mess Valentin created.
Basically, he killed Charlotte's uncle she never knew then turned around and used that for his own benefit ... more than once.
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A fine father figure.
Shall we discuss the hot mess that is Lulu? She'll never be mother of the year either. Rocco who? Oh right, he's the kid she drop-kicked so she could run around the world with her ex-boyfriend Dillon chasing after her derelict father, and keeping it all a secret from her husband. And there's also that attempted murder of Valerie and her unsavory friendship with ex-lover Johnny, more secrets from her husband. Lulu is a terrible mom who seems to live for adventure (most recently Cassadine Island) with nary a second thought about the dependent child at home. She's like Luke without the charm (such as it was).
And I don't understand your insistence that Charlotte will be irreparably damaged if Lulu is not a part of her life. Charlotte seems quite resilient and self-possessed for a little girl and the only thing that keeps upsetting her is this manic stranger who keeps trying to invade her life. Nina meanwhile is being an amazing stepmom to a traumatized little girl.
The points you are arguing are just your own expectations based on tired old soap opera cliches. Valentin's lies will come back on him. Nina will lose Charlotte. I hope the writers show a little more imagination than that.
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The points you are arguing are just your own expectations based on tired old soap opera cliches.
Now who is making assumptions?
No I base it on how I feel about my mother.
And how I'd grow to feel if I knew back then that all these people were trying to keep us a part for their own selfish needs.
If you don't feel that way about your mother ... then maybe you're not as human as I am about my relationship with mine.
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1. There is more than one kind of mother than the one who birthed you.
2. Well, it's nice for you that this story makes you appreciate your mother. But that has nothing to do with the story as it relates to the rest of the viewing audience.
3. Valentin had offered shared custody already and Lulu spit in his eye. Now that she realizes her chances are iffy she wants that deal again. Lulu can go kick rocks. I don't think keeping Charlotte from Lulu is selfish -- if anything it's protecting the child. Lulu is too impulsive, self-absorbed, irrational, obsessive, and adventuresome to raise a child well. I'm pretty sure Olivia is raising Rocco. Charlotte seems perfectly happy with Valentin and Nina, and constantly tells us so.
then maybe you're not as human as I am about my relationship with mine.
That's just a dumb thing to say.
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First of all, you are assuming that Valentin had no intention of ever telling Charlotte that Lulu is her bio mother. I disagree completely. Valentin was willing to share custody and make Charlotte available to Lulu as 8ften as she liked, so there's zero reason to believe he wouldn't have told Charlotte Lulu was her bio mother. Second, I think your comments to dedoc are way way OUT there. You are personalizing this way too much. Right now, in Claudette's absence, Nina is Charlotte's stepmother and mother figure, and whom she looks to for support and protection. Lulu is the desperate, intrusive, scary woman who keeps showing up and frightening her. This may change in time, but this is where things are at right now.
shareTotally agree. Maxie cannot be trusted. Charlotte is a child who lost her mother. As parents you would think Maxie and Lulu would understand that Lulu can't just force herself into Charlotte's life and expect the girl to instantly love her.
shareYes, very satisfying... I only wish the firing had lasted a minute or 2 longer. In my mind, I had Nina grabbing Maxie by the lapels, slamming her against the wall, and then thrusting her out the window. Hmmm... what floor is Crimson on?
I see Nathan remaining neutral which will infuriate vapid Maxie.