This must have been discussed to the death, most likely, but as yet, I have missed any discussion.
Since the Doctor has a grandchild, he has either a daughter, son in law, or son, and daughter in law. This must follow that somewhere there had to have been a wife. Or girlfriend, if Gallifrey isn't or wasn't big on being married
So, what have I missed? Thanks
Adoption?
shareA Grandchild?
shareit's hard to know unless they ever go into detail about time lord reproductive habits and romantic relationships we'll never know
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I never completely believed that Susan was the Doctor's actual grandchild. In my personal narrative, she is an orphan with a sense of adventure whom the Doctor "adopted" when he stole the TARDIS and took off. I found the grandfather-granddaughter relationship to be more honorary.
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I always find that idea kind of a bit more 'nu-who' the whole "let's give them a 'wtf' moment for their reaction videos" kind of thing.
The doctor has mentioned being a father more than once, it doesn't seem such a stretch for Susan to be his flesh and stone... er I mean blood
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It was certainly the original intention for her to be his real Granddaughter. The BBC insisted on it because they didn't like the idea of an old man traveling around with a teenage girl who was not a relative.
Let Zygons Be Zygons.
The general rule with fiction is to take things at face value unless there is some hint in the narrative that things are not as straightforward as we thought.
Susan addresses the Doctor as Grandfather from the first episode of the first serial, continues to do so until the last episode of Dalek Invasion of Earth, and resumes doing so when she reprises her role in The Five Doctors. At no point is there any hint that Susan is not the Doctor's granddaughter.
If you're going to reject an uncontroversial piece of information given repeatedly onscreen, you might as well write the stories yourself, or rewrite them. Maybe Adric was a German spy, and the Fifth Doctor did a deal with the Resistance (who were dressed as Cybermen) to get rid of him.
So this is permanence, love's shattered pride.
What once was innocence, turned on its side.
seems plausible, the fifth doctor is so agreeable that he'd be happy to collaborate with most
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If you're going to reject an uncontroversial piece of information given repeatedly onscreen, you might as well write the stories yourself, or rewrite them. Maybe Adric was a German spy, and the Fifth Doctor did a deal with the Resistance (who were dressed as Cybermen) to get rid of him.I think the problem is Doctor Who is constantly rebooting or rewriting it's own continuity that facts can now be bended and twisted any way the production team like. share
I think the problem is Doctor Who is constantly rebooting or rewriting it's own continuity that facts can now be bended and twisted any way the production team like.
No, not really.There really hasn't been a clear continuity though has there. New stuff is constantly added and various facts about the Doctor and his people changed. It really depends on the person running the series at the time. share
I don't disagree with that. My point is, if a show has a loose continuity, it doesn't follow that absolutely anything can happen.
The character of the show evolves because it has to, but there are things that would always feel out of place to any writer. The Doctor is not going to turn into a serial killer, for instance, or have the ability to turn into a dragon at will.
I think fans should try to stop getting hung up on continuity, though. Try and see it as a different showrunner or writer's take on the idea, and not worry about the fact that it contradicts something the Doctor said in episode 3 of The Krotons (or even The Husbands of River Song). Think of it as like paintings of The Annunciation, in which the archangel Gabriel appears to the Virgin Mary. In some artists' interpretations, they're indoors, in others they're in a portico, and in others still they're in a garden. They can't all be right!
So this is permanence, love's shattered pride.
What once was innocence, turned on its side.
maybe it was in a building with portico fronting, creating a nice indoor/outdoor flow to the garden?
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I know you're joking, but I've seen fan theories every bit as forced and unconvincing as that!
So this is permanence, love's shattered pride.
What once was innocence, turned on its side.
Susan's relationship to The Doctor has never been fully addressed in the show, is he her grandfather on her mother, or father's side. But it has been HEAVILY implied she is biologically related to him as his actual grand daughter on many occasions. The Ninth Doctor also had a line of dialogue that made his role as a father clear. So he is her grandfather. Who Susan's parents were is unknown.
Funny story, the first Doctor was married to Cameca in The Aztecs. So we have seen A wife of The Doctor prior to River Song and Queen Elizabeth.
i don't remember the doctor's child ever having been mentioned, though he must have had one. of course, the whole Time Lord thing wasn't thought of when the programme was created. he was just meant to be an ordinary old man, not regenerating or anything.
shareBut from another planet, though right?
shareThere were a few character outlines which Sydney Newman didn't like...
This is from before Susan was his grandaughter and when Ian was named 'Cliff':
DR. WHO A frail old man lost in space and time. They give him this name because they don't know who he is. He seems not to remember where he has come from; he is suspicious and capable of sudden malignance; he seems to have some undefined enemy; he is searching for something as well as fleeing from something. He has a "machine" which enables them to travel together through time, through space, and through matter.
In his own day, somewhere in our future, he decided to search for a time or for a society or for a physical condition which is ideal, and having found it, to stay there. He stole the machine and set forth on his quest. He is thus an extension of the scientist who has opted out, but he opted farther than ours can do, at the moment. And having opted out, he is disintegrating.
One symptom of this is his hatred of scientist [sic], inventors, improvers. He can get into a rare paddy when faced with a cave man trying to invent a wheel. He malignantly tries to stop progress (the future) wherever he finds it, while searching for his ideal (the past). This seems to me to involve slap up-to-date moral problems, and old ones too.
In story terms, our characters see the symptoms and guess at the nature of his trouble, without knowing details; and always try to help him find a home in time and space. Wherever he goes he tends to make ad hoc enemies; but also there is a mysterious enemy pursuing him implacably every when: someone from his own original time, probably. So, even if the secret is out by the 52nd episode, it is not the whole truth.
DR WHO:
A name given to him by his three earthly friends because neither he nor they know who he is. Dr. Who is about 650 years old. Frail looking but wiry and tough like an old turkey - is amply demonstrated whenever he is forced to run from danger. His watery blue eyes are continually looking around in bewilderment and occasionally a look of utter malevolence clouds his face as he suspects his earthly friends of being part of some conspiracy. He seems not to remember where he comes from but he has flashes of garbled memory which indicate that he was involved in a galactic war and still fears pursuit by some undefined enemy. Because he is somewhat pathetic his three friends continually try to help him find his way 'home', but they are never sure of his motives.
The authorities of his own (or some other future) time are not concerned merely with the theft of an obsolete machine; they are seriously concerned to prevent his monkeying with time, because his secret intention, when he finds his ideal past, is to destroy or nullify the future.
If ever we get thus far into Dr. Who's secret, we might as well pay a visit to his original time. But this is way ahead for us too. Meanwhile, proliferate stories.
yes, from another planet and very clever and advanced, but not in any way supernatural.
shareYes, I don;t think his 2 hearts were mentioned till Patrick
shareactually wasn't 'spearhead' the first time that 2 hearts were mentioned? if so, it's another bit of Who-lore created by Bob Holmes
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I think fans should try to stop getting hung up on continuity, though. Try and see it as a different showrunner or writer's take on the idea, and not worry about the fact that it contradicts something the Doctor said in episode 3 of The Krotons (or even The Husbands of River Song).Oh yeah sure although I can imagine whoever gets the job writing a Doctor Who encyclopedia has a fun time. Ha, ha! share