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Saw this in Cinerama in New York


I was a kid when I saw this awesome film in Cinerama at the Loews' Cinerama Theatre in New York. The effect was great and I loved the film despite the weak acting. Imagine in 1 film the entire story of the settling of the West and Debbie Reynolds entertainment to boot. It used 3 of Hollywoods's greatest directors and was nominated as Best Picture; not bad. Alfred Newman's score was stupendous and should have won an Oscar. The title theme was not even nominated for Best Original Song. The photography was the best I've seen and still has not been surpassed. The film has many critics but we must give it its due for the tremendous accomplishment and classic it has become.

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I have only recently caught up with this movie and saw it at home on wide screen HD TV. I can certainly imagine it must have been very impressive watching the film in Cinerama. I did enjoy the cinematography and as you say, getting those three famous directors working together with all those stars...it was a tremendous accomplishment.

My favourite chapter was the first...The River. Enjoyed seeing the oxen pulling the ferry along the canal and the rafts being built and floated down the rapids.

But it was really interesting seeing a 165 minute film with virtually no close ups due apparently to the cinerama shooting process. Every thing was panoramic, or at the very least pulled back. Different indeed!

"Well I'll be... Why didn't he come shoppin' at the right store?"

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My mother took my brother and I to see it in Cinerama when it was released. I thought it was spectacular! They are broadcasting this today on TCM in the Cinerama "rounded" screen format. Even on a big HGTV LED flat screen TV, the impact of just how huge this was is lost. Still an enjoyable film.


Why do you care?

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Yeah, it's not the same, but I still applaud TCM for showing a Cinerama print. The illusion of depth was still quite impressive.

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What's nice about Cinerama is, it reproduces human vision. The aspect ratio, the curvature of the screen and the focal-length of the lens (no telephoto, no zoom) all approximate human sight. Everything in the film looks the way it would if you were actually there, so it's easy on the eyes and quite realistic. Makes viewing a 3+hour movie a pleasure. Not to mention the 7-track stereo sound.

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I saw it at Cinemark last night; unfortunately, it obviously was not in Cinerama, but at least I was able to view the film on the big screen (I had seen it once before on Turner Classic Movies), which is the only way to appreciate How the West Was Won.

But I wanted to ask the following questions of people who viewed the film upon its original theatrical release:

1) While the film is visually spectacular and derives most of its value from its panoramic shots and incredible use of authentic landscapes (seeing it on the big screen seemed akin to taking a train ride through the West), the too-frequent rear-projection shots proved glaring and detrimental, causing me to momentarily disengage a bit. Of course, back in the early sixties, they were par for the course in Hollywood, but did those shots seem glaring and detrimental to people who viewed the film in Cinerama back then? When paired with the stunning beauty of the authentic shots, the rear-projection stands out badly.

2) Some of the dialogue, to contemporary ears, can seem a bit hokey and very archaic, such as the line early in the film about the Debbie Reynolds character being able to give birth to children as easily as she could slide off a log. Did that kind of dialogue appear hokey and archaic then (in the early sixties), or did it seem normal enough for a Western?

3) How the West Was Won represents the cinematic apotheosis of Manifest Destiny and the traditional, triumphalist narrative of Western settlement, marked by the victory of 'civilization' over the 'wilderness.' It also represented the culmination of the Western genre's classic age, one that would be upended by revisionism over the next decade.

To what extent were viewers aware that this film essentially constituted the apotheosis that I just described?

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I didn't see this picture in Cinerama, but I saw others. In a nutshell, it was something "new" -- with pluses and minuses, both of which were expected and appreciated. In short, Cinerama wasn't an evening at the movies then, it was an "event" -- we wore ties when we went downtown (Chicago) to see them. We have an "Omnimax" theatre in our town today -- huge, wrap-around screen much like Cinerama. Much the same idea, I think. Not too good for intimate drama but breath-taking for spectacular landscapes, etc.

Re the "falling off a log" line . . . it seems perfectly natural to me -- even today. Then, again, I'm 68 years old and don't understand a good deal of how thoughts are put into words today. 

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Thanks, cwente.

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joekiddlouischama:

1. The rear-projection shots are a distraction, and it seems to me they are most evident in the river rapids scene. The other action scenes use them far less. The picture won the Oscar for best editing, and I think the editing worked very well to maintain the continuity of those scenes. I still regard the runaway train sequence, despite a few back-projected shots, as the greatest gunfight ever put on film.

Also, a few of the shots, particularly in the Civil War segment, were lifted from another film, Raintree County, not shot in Cinerama, and the depth of vision is missing from those shots, even when projected onto the curved screen.

2. I actually appreciate the archaic nature of the dialog, which I think was deliberately written more old-fashioned than was normal for films of that time. Another movie that deliberately used archaic idioms was, True Grit. Lines like,

"The Stoga family. All eight of 'em!"

"Be they single?"

"He ain't got a wife and six kids. Yet!"

"You know any sweet-talkin' gals in Pittsburg?"
"Nope. Nope. 'Nary a one. Yet!"

"Appears you're doin' well."
"Can't complain. Crick's loaded with beavers and the Indians are plumb cordial."

give the film a very un-Hollywood feel, even for its day. This, together with Alfed Newman's extensive use of authentic period songs, often heard in the background, produces a sense of real nostalgia. I understand too, all the costumes were stitched by hand, so they wouldn't look too modern. I think the producers were really trying to recreate a bygone era.

3. I don't think viewers at the time were anticipating the changes that were on the way. Movies like, The Ten Commandments, Ben-Hur and, among westerns, The Big Country, The Magnificent Seven and How The West Was Won were sort of like the clipper ships of the time. For a brief while, they sailed gloriously, too soon to be replaced by efficient, clunky steam-packets. In the wake of How The West Was Won came the anti-heroes, "the man with no name," James Bond, Cool Hand Luke, etc. But I don't think audiences at the time foresaw it. We just revelled in the hey-day of filmdom's golden era. I did, anyway. Of course, I was only eleven at the time....

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"... were sort of like the clipper ships of the time."

I like that!

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Movies like, The Ten Commandments, Ben-Hur and, among westerns, The Big Country, The Magnificent Seven and How The West Was Won were sort of like the clipper ships of the time.

Movies like this would often have roadshow engagements, opening in the grandest theatres with reserved seating and souvenir programs on sale in the lobby. There would be an overture, intermission, entr'acte, and exit music. The theatre curtains would part and open wide as the lights dimmed. Does anybody remember the last time they were in a movie theatre with curtains?

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To respond to your question: I did not see "How the West Was Won" for many years until it was shown on public television here in the U.S. The showing of a Cinerama film would necessitate a trip to a theatre, usually a major metropolitan area in my case (Chicago), that had the three-camera set-up and sound enhancements to show the film as intended by the filmmakers. I saw "Brothers Grimm" which was filmed in Cinerama at a local theatre, but which was projected as a traditional film with the three lines in the screen. I was a bit too young otherwise to enjoy the Cinerama documentary films or the few feature films made.

The last time I saw a first run road-show motion picture was approximately 1968 (Christmas Day), when I saw the Robert Wise film "Star!". The film was shown with reserve seating tickets sold by the mail via coupons or purchased at the theatre's box office, and souvenir programs (along with concessions) were sold.

"Star!" was not filmed in the Cinerama process, but in Todd-AO. The screen was both wide in width and height, but not curved. The visual effect of the film was crystal-clear, and the sound extraordinary, especially in the bass register of the arrangements, which were superb. It was shown as a live theatrical production would have been viewed, with a (real) scrim being pulled, then the filmed orchestra tuning up in the pit in front of the stage, then the (filmed) curtain going up. It was a very extravagant film!

The theatre where the film was shown was the Michael Todd Theatre in downtown Chicago, which had been the Selwyn Theatre (I believe), a legitimate theatre primarily used for dramas or comedies such as Noel Coward's play "Private Lives" which was appropriate as the author appeared in "Star!" as portrayed by actor Daniel Massey.

The DVD of the film is mostly what I saw with my parents; the entr'acte from the original film was trimmed for the DVD release, perhaps due to the length of the film and special features being added. The trim would have been a few minutes in length.

"Star! was not a success upon initial release and shortly thereafter was cut severely and re-released by the studio. Not too many years were left for motion pictures marketed as road-show films as some of them, such as this one, were not financially successful. The video era enabled a reassessment of the film as released in 1968.

Finally: today the exterior, but not the interior of the Michael Todd Theatre, is now part of the Goodman Theatre complex.

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Thanks for the information re the Mike Todd theatre in Chicago. I'm a native and remember seeing the road show engagements of Ben-Hur and The Alamo there as a teen. Wonderful experiences. Haven't been back in years.

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... thanks, greenleafie.

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