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(my silly review) I really wanted to like this movie, I guess...


...and I have tried to sit through it more than a few times, having sat through some of the greatest, most tedious, and sometimes outright boring films of all time - La Jetee, Joan of Arc, Il Postino, Sunset Boulevard, Atonement, Kahlo, Repulsion...

Don't get me wrong, though, some of the films I've mentioned above are probably liked and loved in many circles, but for the love of me, I just don't get 'Jules and Jim' on those same levels. I get the plot (bohemian life, love, drifting, insanity), but how does the constant negative and subtly boring tone of this film still somehow draw people to it like flies to honey?

I have sat through many of the "classics", and I LOVE many of them - The Searchers, Amarcord, Umberto D, The Third Man (without the horrible cheesy music in it, that could have been Welles' finest since Citizen Kane), - Brazil, etc. - but sometimes many of them also just don't click.

'Jules and Jim' was full of Bohemia from the turn of the century, great - Catherine was the embodiment of what real men have been doing with women since forever (use them and most times lose them afterwards), fine - but this was bland. Oh, god oh so bland. And of course, tedious.

Yes, black and white has a place in film, and yes Truffaut is an artist with the camera and whatever subject matter he has chosen, but this particular subject matter was so dragging and slow, the short running time felt like it was much longer than I expected it to be.

Catherine used her two men well - she was living in a time when a woman still had to be "in her place", but the 1910's and 20's were the perfect time for women everywhere to start becoming enlightened and realize there is more to life than just getting married and settling, and to start growing as a self-made person, just as her character did, and as we find here, most men are indifferent yet still attracted to a woman who wants to do nothing more but be just as independent and sexually self-assured as they are.

Now good lord, Jeanne Moreau took it a bit to far, and is a bit of a psycho here, but she's the only one in the film willing to make anything happen - she has the affairs, she chooses lovers, she picks the resturants and theaters, she does all the impulsive things of youth - it seems she saddled herself with two guys who acted as if they were in their thirties when they were supposed to be in their twenties!

She, as a woman, was still trying to figure out the rules of free living that men have lived in for thousands of years - what to do alone, how to live alone, how to love alone. I give her performance the highest of marks, and although it's no Gena Rolands (Woman On The Verge...), what she did here showed women everywhere in the 1950's that although being free does have a small price, it's worth it. Men are useful to a totally free woman, in their own way.

She carries the film all the way through, and it's a beautiful thing. Granted, she was not the prettiest woman in film at the time, but she held her own, and has since then grown into one of France's premier grand dames of film.

The other two actors? Feh.

In summation, if I was to give this movie any kind of star rating, based on the content, the acting, the sad resolution at the end?

Two stars, tops - and I'm being generous. Jeanne Moreau's playful hurtful insane grandiose subtle work here is 4 stars, and a personal note to Truffaut - the title of this film should really have been called "Catherine," because it's really all about her - and Jules and Jim.

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I agree with what you have to say to an extent. I decided to watch Jules et Jim only after 400 Blows, which I found very powerful and engaging to watch. Jules et Jim didn't have the magic for me. Sure, a few quaint shots and nice camerawork here and there, tragic ending, etc., but it was definitely marked by tedium and required some effort to pay attention. To be honest, I didn't like the Catherine character at all, but for me, I think that's because I sympathized with the two male characters more. In fact, the only really memorable, underlying parts of the movie are of the qualities and nature of Jules and Jim s relationship, which remind me much of my own friends.

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You just sound ridiculous in the beginning. "I have sat through many classic films." Come on! If you don't like them don't watch them. I happen to love classic films, and so do many others, and we don't watch them simply because we feel like we should but because there is a definite enjoyment and entertainment aspect. Maybe you should also study classic films instead of just watching them. It will make more sense.

I can tell by reading your post you have no idea of French New Wave or any of the innovative film techniques Truffaut uses in Jules and Jim. Stop trying to watch films simply to say you have seen them and study and understand them!

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You just sound ridiculous in the beginning. "I have sat through many classic films." Come on! If you don't like them don't watch them. I happen to love classic films, and so do many others, and we don't watch them simply because we feel like we should but because there is a definite enjoyment and entertainment aspect. Maybe you should also study classic films instead of just watching them. It will make more sense.


I see where you're coming from with your point but I also understand what the OP was saying. I too watched Jules et Jim because I "felt I should". I didn't wander through a video store and see it and suddenly say "that looks good". I watched it because it had been highly praised in film circles and was cited as great example of foreign cinema. Therefore I "felt I should" watch it because I wanted to know as much about cinema as possible.
I also didn't love it.

I however loved Atonement and one or two others of the movies that he said he hated.

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This film, Repulsion, and Sunset Boulevard are masterpieces in my opinion. Tedium is subjective.

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You are confusing story with film. As a film, this has few equals. What Truffaut manages to do with the medium is beyond genius and it is why so many of the world's great filmmakers have been crazy about the film.

Saying you would give the film only two stars is like waving a flag with the words "I wouldn't know a good film if it smacked me on the head." When I look at this, I'm just agog at the brilliant things that Truffaut does with the camera. The editing and cinematography is just astonishing from beginning to end. And the score -- which is frequently cited as among the greatest in film history -- is just gorgeous.

For the record, THE THIRD MAN was not Orson Welles's film. It was directed by Carol Reed, on a script written by Graham Greene. Welles just acted in it. And its score is acclaimed one of the greatest of all time.

It seems more and more that you just don't appreciate the best cinema.

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You're right about the technical aspects of this film, they're astounding. They speak so much love for cinema and Truffaut tells his story through his images and he does so to perfection. On this level alone the film is a joy to watch. The story is another thing I guess. Judging from the messages on this board, you seem to love it or hate it. After my first viewing, I was confused about the story, I didn't really understand it and couldn't really understand all of the emotions and choices made. A second viewing straightened that out though. The film's story has quite a few layers and portrays complicated characters, which I understood much better a second time. After that second viewing I regarded this film as a masterpiece and another example of Truffaut's genius. But, I think if you truly dislike the story and the characters, that you won't notice the lyrical filming style and the way Truffaut moves his story forward with purely cinematic techniques, because you only notice your own dislike.
You're right about score too, I am listening to it as I write this and it's gorgeous. This film is a masterpiece and one of the best examples of how to make a true film.

You said, "I love you," I said, "Wait"
I was going to say, "Take me," you said, "Go away"

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I'm glad I saw this movie, - last night only, with English subtitles - when I'm already an adult considerably matured rather than when I was a young one or in my late teens. I've only seen it online since European films seldom gets shown in my place and their dvds rarely appear in our video stores.

I got curious about this movie a few years ago when I wandered into the Classic Board and about four months ago into the European Cinema Board - where I remained just a lurker up to the present - where this title would pop up every now and then and generally gets praised. I have seen very few of European films in the past and actually have just began about two years ago to try seeing at least one that is available online part of my few hours of free time. And there are times I can't find one I'm interested in with English subtitles since I don't speak any of the European languages, aside from a smattering of Spanish, and even with this one, when characters talk quite fast, I get lost.

I did not find Jules et Jim tedious nor bland. I find slow movies with an interesting story like this one, quite a welcome relief from most of the American movies that dominate our cinemas, fantasy and action movies that are almost always fast-paced, adrenaline-producers. The two I first noticed in the early scenes, even with the opening credits, are how the camera shots were so clear and finely detailed especially with the rural landscapes with the "greens". I'm partial to movies with color, nevertheless I enjoyed the black and white cinematography in this film, together with the mood lifting music score. I found the characters engaging because of the excellent performances and because they mirror some people I personally knew and one or two I know today who are like either anyone of them, also of friendships that have stood the test of time and extra-ordinary circumstances. Some women who were close to me (for a time) who are just like Catherine, whose never-ending attempts for total liberation spelled doom for them, there was always a price to pay, sometimes the ultimate one just like how it happened to her, and before that, a totally messed up life that resulted in mental and emotional instability. How appropriate how Jules describe Catherine, "neither exceptionally beautiful ... but acts like a Queen ... when all she had was a sense of being a woman ..."

A very unlikeable queen and woman indeed, very articulate and self-justifying, finding all excuses for her infidelities ... mindless of how she hurts people ... mindless how she uses her womanly charms to manipulate the men close to her, all because as she says it, they can began anew on a clear slate, free and even in score in their relationships.

It was the character Jules that had me baffled actually, my reaction was a mixed of complete admiration and unbelief at what seems to me, such an unconditional love for a woman undeserving of such devotion and at the same time, pity for his rock bottom self-abnegation and to which he ended up losing the two he loved the most, altho he had the young Sabine.

The movie as a whole to me, was actually thought-provoking hours after I've watched it, despite the breezy touch with its moments of seemingly innocent playfulness, fun and games, Catherine's perky, meaningful, self-descriptive song, a theatrical scene to emphasize will power and the dramatic, unexpected, tragic ending.



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I totally agree. I wanted to like this movie, and indeed much of the French New Wave. Whilst I can acknowledge the manner in which such films were made, on low budgets and in a very short amount of time, I find the films of directors such as Truffaut and Goddard to be self-indulgent, pretentious and often very tedious. I really didn't engage with any of the characters in Jules et Jim, and although there were iconic scenes from a director who obviously has a love for his medium, I just really didn't enjoy it overall.

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Same sentiments here. This was one of the Truffaut movies that I didn't see yet amongst the others. I really was open to this film, since I do love foreign films/European cinema as well as a fan of Truffaut's works. However, this one was shockingly a disappointment. Not only the plot, but it just went on and on. You can tell when it's a bad movie, it keeps going on and on, in a negative and choppy way. Also, I know that public ratings in a single website shouldn't mean much but it's just so shocking and a sick joke how Jules et Jim has a higher rating than Truffaut's The Bride Wore Black. Just like how The Dark Knight actually has a rating here higher than a 6 or 7. Come on people!

As for Catherine, she was a disease! A mental one. But the fault is also with Jules and Jim. Both were clear fools and weaklings. For educated people, they couldn't even tell a bad apple from good.

Aside from this, you have the situation here where you just let it go and get up and dust yourself off, because you have to realize that this was still earlier Truffaut, and we know what that means - some rust and "in development" or "identity searching" stages still present. We can see that later on after the early 60s, Truffaut found his groove and rhythm (though still a few hiccups here and there - no one is perfect) and became more consistent and sharper in his works and in his works' purpose and focus.

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