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Did they burn that poor lizard alive?


In the movie, you see lava cover one of the "giant" lizards. As it is covered by the artificial lava, you see steam pouring off of it indicating that yes, it is boiling. Any information on the lizard? I don't remember it moving too much to escape. Was it dead before they boiled it? Did they go ahead and dump gallons of fake lava on the thing and burn it to death? That's such a cruel thing to do. Sure, there are a lot of sick people like the guy who did the "cannibal" films involving mutilation of live animals, but I wouldn't expect such a heartless act from a mainstream film like this, even at the end of the fifties.

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I to have often thought about this, back then the control of cruelty was not as strong as now, horses too were made to trip over in westerns. lets hope it was all ok but the lizard was alive.

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Great location shots of Edinburgh in this movie (and she hasn't changed)...

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(No messages entertained from the League Against Cruelty to Butterflies).

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Lightcloud, thanks for your reply.

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What about the rattlesnake skinned and 'eaten' in "Capricorn One" ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077294 ) from 1978? It looked real, even as it was cut open with a knife from end to end. In the film, it was 'killed' by a blow to the head with a hand-held rock. Well I think it was a real snake, and somebody killed it. Or did the director find it lying dead in the desert, and think 'hmmm, I could use that...'? Sorry 'Sky_Reynolds' - I didn't mean to be flippant. I used to be a [dietary] vegan in fact, albeit for health reasons (I still prefer it but I'm no longer 'religious' about it).

The quote below is my regular one, from a favourite of mine: "The Innocents" ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055018 ).

"Oh look - a lovely spider! And it's eating a butterfly!"
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I have nothing against killing for food and nourishment. It's killing and torturing for entertainment or shock value that bothers me. Oh, and thank you for giving me the title of the film where the guy ate the cobra.

While I know there are those who disagree with me on the issue, I think a cheesburger or a chicken sandwich is a hell of a long way from "lets kill this animal for the sake of this movie."

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L. B. Abbott, the special effects man for this movie, wrote a book shortly before his death in 1985. Perhaps if someone has a copy, there may be a reference to the lizard. The title of the book is "Special Effects: Wire Tape and Rubber Band Styles". On a more cheerful note, I would think that perhaps if the 'lava' was really hot, that lizard would have reacted quite differently. He really is quite nonchalant about the whole thing. That leads me to believe that the lava's heat was totally fabricated. Let's hope so--

I first viewed this movie as a child in the 1960's. Having viewed it again recently, I expected it to seem childish and silly. I was pleasantly surprised to find it as entertaining and captivating as when I was a child. Sure, I see the scientific flaws, but what great fun!! The actors all put their heart into it, and the result is that we are swept away with them.

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Thanks Cheffi. Thanks was an informative reply. Although, it is doubtful that anyone here would have just so happened to have read the book. That is, unless they watched the film and came to this board because they were a fan of L. B. Abbot.

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As a "student" of special effects, I can tell you that that is a highly-sought after book. A few years ago it sold for $300 on Ebay. I do own a copy, and I dont think he address' the lizard isssue-I will look it up, regardless. I thought I read somewhere it was oatmeal dyed red.

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wah...I had a chance to buy it when it was $35 from Cinefantastique

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Oh god why didnt i buy the book when it was $35 from CINEFANTASTIQUE?


LB Abbott was a genius surpassing all this fake CGI crap-
I wonder what is more expensive (not including stop motion)

THey do have something called liquid smoke they might have used-the lizard seemed non challant

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<< As it is covered by the artificial lava, you see steam pouring off of it indicating that yes, it is boiling. >>

I doubt that they used molten lava, or anything close to it. It may have been room-temperature mud with dry ice mixed in for the steam.

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On the beach scene, it looks like the one lizard is actually jabbed with the spear. Some of these movies have iguanas and crocodiles fight, which I can't imagine is very humane.

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I know Irwin Alan's "The Lost World" remake has two dinosaurs fight it out. The dinosaurs, of course, being lizards with horns and spikes glued on.

Anyway, thanks for the replies.

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As far as the "spear in the lizard" bit, it appeared to be a puppet- granted, a REALLY nice puppet, but a puppet nonetheless.Puppets were also used in the scene where its fellows started to take bites out of the dead one.

While on this topic, my friend (an aspiring herpetologist) and I were trying to determine WHAT kind of iguanas were the dimetrodons? Also, what kind of lizard was that in the end? We suspect a teiid or a skink of some sort.

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Here's the scoup of lizard poop. Back in the day, movie lava was made out of oatmeal, red poster paint, and some blackened cork to throw in for good measure.... gasoline could be added for flames, but not in this case.

Other movie lava was made out of glycerine and fullers earth(this was sometimes used as "quicksand" in movies) and red dyes.

The lava covering the Tegu lizard is of the oatmeal variety and it seems that the "steam" is actually chunks of dry ice imbedded into the oatmeal and poster paint. The room temperature would cause the chunks of dry ice to vaporize, and, ....LOOK like steam.

The Tegu lizard was gently cooled to 40 degrees which made him groggy.

The dimetrodons were actually a little herd of Rhinocerus iguanas and the same cooling effect was used on them so that their special make-up (designed and crafted by Herb Cheek, who was in charge of the special effects miniature shop) could be applied without stress (to the lizards or the appliers)

The miniature spear going into the Iguana was actually shot in reverse...a cut off spear was attached with spirit gum to the iguana and pulled away...this was printed in reverse for the film, giving the effect that the spear was "entering" the little beast. The spear miniature evidently blurred to the point that you couldn't tell it was really sharp at the end.

The same technique was used for the devouring scene.

The rhino iguanas were sleepy with the cooling and were gently attached to the "corpse" and they were jiggled back and forth. This "jiggling" was doctored in the printing by removing frames and it was done to give the look as if the flesh eating beasts were gnawing and tearing at the meat of the downed dimetrodon.

Reverse photography was also used in the shots when the beasts bit down, clamping their jaws onto their fallen comerade. They were actually pulling away, but when the film was printed forward, it looked like they were chomping down.

L.B. Abbott himself had said in print that the lizards had 2 speeds....rock still, and 90 miles an hour!

When they were cool they would sit there and do nothing. When the movie lights heated them up, they TOOK OFF LIKE A ROCKET.

They were placed on tilt sets with the camera (high speed ) attached to the sets...when the sets were tilted, the lizards would "walk" forwards. This was used sparingly.

When the dimetrodons "growled" it was simply the iguanas "panting"....they do this, just like a dog, to control their inner body temperature. With the proper sound effects....instant prehistoric beast.

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That "lava" looked like raspberry jam.

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It looks like a very thick Marinara/Spaggetti Meat sauce myself

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Good thread, totally get where you are coming from - I'm always worried about how animals are treated in films, don't have any problem eating them, just don't want to think anything has suffered for no other reason than my viewing pleasure. Thought exactly the same as you when watching this movie, and watched the credits hoping to see a "no animal was harmed during the making of this movie" disclaimer, there wasn't one.

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This was way before PETA. As late as "Heaven's Gate," they blew an animal apart. That's about when PETA started pressuring the movies, and the disclaimer appeared.

But you can't just pour lava on something (unless it's a process shot) because you can't get actual lava. The lava on the lizard looked fairly real, but the lava in other shots didn't -- it looked almost like red caviar rolling down a hill. The "lava" on the lizard had a convincing gradation from red hot to slightly cooler gray, but that could have been manipulation. After all, they turn the lizard himself red at one point; it's supposed to be a chameleon change of coloration, but I suspect it was manipulated. Besides, if you poured something really hot onto the lizard, you'd either have only one take to get it right, or you'd have to have some backup lizards. I tend to think they just experimented with different kinds of ooze and red dyes, and poured the result down a chute. It's not that I think they wouldn't have killed a lizard in 1959 -- I just doubt they did so in that scene.

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Good lord, hasn't anybody ever heard of special effects. They obviously superimposed the filmed fake lava over film of the lizard. As someone pointed out, the lizard did not even react to being covered with molten (one obvious flaw in the film, by the way). I believe the effect was called blue-screen or something like that. I expect the lizard was not hurt, but I wouldn't lose sleep over what might have happened to a lizard over 50 years ago.

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that's the difference between you and us.

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Pouring something boiling hot over a lizard would cause the creature to bolt and the take would be ruined ( and so would the Lizard).

By the way I pulled the trigger on one of those LB Abbott books for less than $60 on Ebay. Can't wait for it to come.

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the simple answer is no it did not. a more complex one is no, because the "Lava is Oatmeal with red Food dye with small bits of dry Ice to make it "Steam"

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