GREAT FILM UNTIL..


80% of the way through when it becomes nonsensical, muddled, and actually pretty dumb. I remember first seeing this at the Lankershim theater in North Hollywood. But seeing it again tonight, I was disappointed with the above portion. It's like having a jug of purified, clear water in front of a thirsty man... But it has a tiny bit of urine in it.

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How about going into some specifics? List a few problems You have with the "the last 20%." Otherwise, what you've said so far doesn't seem to invite much discussion from anyone who agrees or disagrees.

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Well ok, I had a problem with the shootout at Blanco Canyon. Up until then I was into the movie. All in all I liked the movie. There was character development with multiple players. I thought the story telling was to my liking. The cinematography was more than adequate. And it was a western, which takes me back in time, and paints a picture of life lessons that never seem to fade.
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Totally agree. I wish there good western movies made today. What I mean is to take a subject from history, and make a movie that is historically correct. I was watching Geromino the other evening and it was totally historically incorrect. I wish Hollywood would stop making movies that obliterate history in doing so. They have the power to tell the truth...but rarely use that power.

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I wish Hollywood would stop making movies that obliterate history in doing so. They have the power to tell the truth...but rarely use that power.


I'm old enough to sympathize with you. Sadly, the unimaginative corporate executives who approve, supervise, and distribute today's movies don't have much sense of history, or appreciation of same (cinematic OR real-world). Nor do the people who actually make the films.

A low point for me came when I suffered through DJANGO UNCHAINED a few years ago, in which an opening legend announced: "1858 ... two years before the Civil War." Didn't anybody in that whole chain of approvals point out to Quentin Tarantino that the Civil War began in 1861?

Most great films deserve a more appreciative audience than they get.

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Or, they use that power to entertain, as in SILVERADO.

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That's a lot of wood coming from what appears to be a fairly parched countryside.


The Hannasseys would have known there was an abundance of trees at the Big Muddy, along with (as well as they knew at the time) an absentee owner. And while it would be natural to predict that since Julie Maragon's spread had more water than either the Hannassey or Terrill properties, we don't actually know that the Hannasseys had no timber. (From footage in the film, we did see that Major Terrill had some trees on his ranch; perhaps the Hannasseys' land also had enough trees that could have yielded those booby traps.)

But regarding the point about Terrill's raiding party noticing the upright, wooden barriers while riding past them before they were dropped into place: Since foreman Leech already had reported that the Hannasseys had "a rifle behind every rock in that canyon," isn't it plausible that the horsemen would have been watching for weapons aimed at them, rather than paying attention to inanimate objects? I think so.

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Yes, me too. The huge wooden obstacle that the Hanasseys had constructed and stood up alongside the trail in Blanco Canyon seemed a bit far-fetched. Surely Terrell's men would have noticed it standing there as they rode by, and, where did the Hanasseys get all that timber? And they built two of those things. That's a lot of wood coming from what appears to be a fairly parched countryside.



Go back to the earlier raid by the Terrill mob on the Hannessey village. Plenty enough lumber had been procured to have erected all of the buildings (livery stable; the bordello from where Buck, escaping the wrath of the Terrills, makes a hasty exit from the second story window; the water tower; surrounding houses, and so on.)

Go to the later scenes, in which Julie has been spirited away to find herself a reluctant "guest" at the Hannessey house (made of wood.)

If they wanted or needed wood badly enough, they had their means of obtaining it. And the wooden barricades could have been built months or even years before the final Terrill-Hannessey showdown, in anticipation of such an event that had already been looming in the horizon for a long time.



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I know you're long gone, unless you've managed to find your way here, but ...

I watched this again recently, and was struck by the same thing -- the unlikelihood of Terrell and his crew not noticing those two big tree-based barricades. They'd already ridden past one, and Blanco Canyon was desolate. It'd have stood out like a sore thumb to anyone, let alone a posse of men savvy to the terrain, and on alert.

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This is the only movie (with the possible exception being The Ten Commandments) that my whole family went to the theater to see TWICE. At 9 years old, the spiked wooden bariers in Blanco canyon eremained a vivid memory for me long after seeing the film.

The soundtrack album started me on a lifelong love of dramatic orchestral film scores! That and the Ten Commandments.

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Did the snowman confuse you?

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The ending was a bit weak. Not terrible but could have been better and I'm not just referring to the rifle standoff. Leach taking what appeared to be a gunshot to the abdomen and just walking around? Just not good.

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What in the story needs to be revealed in the later part of the story.

1. To distinguish Rufus from his son Buck. Rufus had his faults but Buck was an absolutely filthy pos of a human being.

Buck was not above rape and shooting an unarmed adversary but it is implied by what Rufus says that Buck has killed before. Perhaps many times. Remember when he asks if Buck is willing to fight a man with an even chance not just somebody slower at the draw?

2. To establish the mutual feelings McKay and Julie had for each other.

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Great movie, not perfect. One of the greatest music scores of all time, by Jerome Moross.

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