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Charlton vs. Gregory


The fight scene in this movie is as sweet as a baby bees nectar. But here's the question I pose:
If Charlton Heston and Gregory Peck really did fight, who would win?

Here's the rules: Charlton can't use guns. Gregory can't be an attorney.

My bets are that Charlton would be winning for a time, but ultiamtely his dirty fighting would corrupt the integrity of his soul. Gregory Peck who would be a clean fighter to the bitter end would have a triumphant spirit and, though having taken a beating, would inevitably become the victor. But hey, thats just one man's opinion. Whats yours?

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Here's the rules: Charlton can't use guns. Gregory can't be an attorney.


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It's a tough call. Does Heston get to keep his shirt on? Not that I want to see it, but he becomes a different beast when that shirt flies off. One only has to look to Planet of the Apes for evidence. Poor Peck doesn't stand a chance.

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Having just watched this great film, I think that was the greatest fight I've ever seen.

And I'm including ALL fights of ANY kind - superheroes, war, outer space... everything. Period.



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Does anyone else think the fight scene is Kurosawa-inspired with all those wide shots?

I actually like the whole Chuck Conners/Gregory Peck sequence later. Peck doing the Starsky and Hutch impersonation jumping off the porch on Buck, then the duel. Maybe it's just 'cuz I'd been wanting to see Buck get it that made it more satisfying, and it had a better build-up with Buck threatening Julie. He didn't wait until the wee hours to beat up Buck!

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I think it would have benefitted from some Kung Fu. Perhaps some wire-work too, a la Crouching Tiger.

Nah! Just pulling your lariat. Agree its a good fight.

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In real life, I don't think they would because they seemed to have a mutual respect thing. But if they did, well, that would be tough, but I might give Heston a very slight edge.

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It would be a tough one to call but I think I would say Gregory Peck.

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Peck by Rear Nake Choke!
The fighting scenes in movies are unrealistic in general. Boxing is not the game. Of course you try to knockout your opponent in stand-up position first, but then it goes to the ground and choking techniques become more interesting. Gregory is smart enough to pull out a choke that Charlton has to tap out very early.

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If the weapons were acting skills, Peck would slaughter Heston. If macho poses, then I guess Heston would win.

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My Money would be on Peck to with the Fight. But this being the best Fight in a Movie I would rather watch The big Fight in "The Quiet Man" That had a little more action the just Two Macho Guys Throwing Punches. But this fight was one of the better ones. And a Great Movie.

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I guess my favorite fight, because I view it as the most realistic, is in the Sand Pebbles when Steve McQueen fights the Chinese guys on the stairwell outside Frenchy's room. It's short, guys clumsily falling down, and the outnumbered hero doesn't necessarily win. Pretty much like most real street fights I've seen.

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Chuck would win, because Greg had a chronic bad back caused by an injury sustained in a ballet class when he was young. Don't believe it? Look it up in his biography.

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1959. Heston was a major Hollywood liberal at the time. Supported Civil Rights Act, MLK, March on Washington. Could be seen chumming with Brando, Poitier, Harry B, and James Baldwin. Didn't switch to Repubs until the 70's.

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Not close at all!

Mr. Heston would beat him to a pulp (and Peck would deserve it [don't wake Mr. Heston up when he's asleep][and btw, Heston was right about the girl, she wasn't for Peck, so I guess Mr. Heston proved it to him, and Peck owes him a thank you]). Too bad the Director was a Peck fan and didn't let Mr. Heston give him the thrashing he had coming.

As far as the acting goes, Peck is a fine actor but the screen lights up for Mr. Heston. Sure, Peck is about integrity, but he lost to Moby Dick. Mr. Heston, on the other hand, went on to save the world in countless films. I thought everybody knew that!!!

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Too bad the Director was a Peck fan and didn't let Mr. Heston give him the thrashing he had coming.

Of course, it was William Wyler who cast Heston in BEN-HUR the following year, in which he won his Oscar.

Ironcially, Heston was right in that Patricia Terrill was wrong for Peck, but Heston was quite wrong in believing that Peck was just a push-over, and after the fight somewhat came to respect him. (And not blindfully believe in Major Terrell's opinion about Peck's McKay).

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They were both great. Heston is still with us and I would love to see him in another movie.

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Heston is in the throes of Alzheimer's Disease and I don't imagine he is able to act these days.

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Both are great actors and quality people. But in a real fight I would have to put my money on Heston. After all he was the last man on earth in Omega Man!

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Republican midget? Heston was 6'3" in his prime! Old age wore him down to 6'1", but he was hardly a midget.

Anyhow, Peck and Heston were both great actors, but Heston always looked to be in better shape than Peck physically, so I'd have to give it to Heston on this one. Not that Peck would go down without a fight.

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"Heston is in the throes of Alzheimer's Disease and I don't imagine he is able to act these days."

Heston never could act!

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Heston never could act!

LOL... Blasphemy! Heston could act, just ask him!

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Peck would need a spear or an arrow to beat Heston, that's the only way to vanquish Heston: a spear in "Khartoum", "the savage" and "the omega man", an arrow in "el Cid".
Or Michael Moore.

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Hmmm . . . wise move. I always figured Heston had a little more on the ball than Peck.

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"Heston never could act!"

What are you smoking? He is only one of the greatest actors of all-time. Does the term Academy and Golden Globe awards mean anything to you!

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Does the term Academy and Golden Globe awards mean anything to you!

To intelligent people they don't.

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...I beg to differ with some of the anti-Charlton Heston posters represented here.

You ever see "The President's Lady?" "El Cid?" "Will Penny?" "Soylent Green?" Heston's brief but memorable role in "Tombstone?" Not to mention his more-than-adequately-portrayed role in TBC. Even as Moses in "The Ten Commandments," the acting style of the entire cast was done in melodramitic style, but no one in that film,(Yul Brynner; Anne Baxter; Vincent Price; Edward G. Robinson; etc.; even Heston himself) delivered less than a first-rate performance within the constraints that director Cecil B. DeMille would impose on them for the purposes of the sweeping, majestic Biblical epic he was making--and it remains a holiday favorite to this day!

And Heston did just fine in "Planet of the Apes." The end scene with him raving at the Statue of Liberty wasn't ridiculed for Heston's hamminess until recent years. There is much humor peppered throughout the script, some of it admittedly dated nowadays, but quite amusing even today; regardless, the flaws in this film are no fault of Heston's and POA, too, remains a classic.

Nothing was wrong with his performance in "Ben Hur." Besides Heston, only Burt Lancaster (originally intended for the title role) or Kirk Douglas could have credibly performed with the right combination of athletic prowess and acting skills; but Heston was younger than the other two and was probably more capable of the physical demands of his role than the now-middle-aged Lancaster or Douglas would have been. And Charlton Heston definitely earned his Oscar.

I have noted that people with a liberal bent (not necessarily anyone I'm sharing this thread with) like to slam everything about Heston because of his unabashed right-wing leanings and CEO-ship of the NRA (while ignoring Heston's claim, of which I have no knowledge of its ever having been contested, that he was among whites who marched with civil rights advocates in Martin Luther King's day). I don't understand that at all. I consider myself conservative, but I can still concede the acting talents of Jane Fonda, Henry Fonda, Vanessa Redgrave, Sean Penn, Jack Lemmon, Robin Williams--heck, practically everyone in Hollywood!--while mostly disagreeing with their personal political idealogies and the off-screen, left-wing publicity they've generated...

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...Who knows, Marmjh-2? But Brando was busy making "The Young Lions," around the same time as Ben Hur's production & release...

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"...ONLY [emphasis mine] took part in two civil rights events." Thanks! I thought the guy put his feet in those troubled waters only ONCE! But it seems not even once or TWICE is enough for a man who went on to champion what he felt was the right of ANY law-abiding American citizen of ANY ethnicity and pigmentation of flesh, the right to bear arms.

Who could argue against the fact that Brando could out-act just about any of his colleagues and contemporaries? But could even the great Brando be included in every great motion picture, all of the time? DID he accept any vehicle thrown his way? Was he even INTERESTED in taking on the role of Judah Ben-Hur? Probably not. Brando was a tremendously gifted actor, but he fell victim to propably every other actor's tendency to reject good scripts in favor of appearing in, say, the tragic swansong to Charlie Chaplin's film career, "A Countess From Hong Kong"...

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...I ain't even gonna GO there with that last statement, Marm. You were coming across as half-way agreeble until you ended your post with THAT little "ray of sunshine"...

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To answer the original question, Heston would have pounded Peck into the ground like a railroad spike. I think he probably would have kicked Brando's ass too.

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...Well, the poster (who I just put on "ignore" after that last little "aside" of his) was making the point that Brando could easily outact Heston--which I wouldn't debate, btw--but that doesn't necessarily mean he could improve every single one of the Heston's films by being inserted in all of Heston's roles.

Now, a fistfight between Brando and Heston would have been interesting! Brando had a muscular physique when he was young, which helped make him all the more threatening, for instance, in "A Streetcar Named Desire." *I* wouldn't want to meet Stanley Kowalski in a dark alley!

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Heston looks to be about half a foot taller than Brando. Here's a photo of Brando and Heston together in 1963. Marlon is already starting to look a little paunchy, isn't he?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Heston_Baldwin_Brando_Civil_Rights_March_1963.jpg

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"I consider myself conservative, but I can still concede the acting talents of Jane Fonda, Henry Fonda, Vanessa Redgrave, Sean Penn, Jack Lemmon, Robin Williams--heck, practically everyone in Hollywood!--while mostly disagreeing with their personal political idealogies and the off-screen, left-wing publicity they've generated..."

I'm certain that's true, but you forget that you're dealing with leftists, whose salient characteristics are intolerance and humorlessness. According to them, the three worst actors of all time are Heston, John Wayne, and Ronald Reagan, who just coincidentally happen to be conservatives.

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LOL, Air Chisel!!!

To be fair, in TBFB, Olivier was the Nazi-hunter and hero, whereas Peck played his only bonafide, evil-to-the-core villain ("Duel in the Sun" doesn't count, he was more like the black sheep of the family; "Moby Dick" won't do it, either; Captain Ahab had the almost-unanimous respect and admiration by his men, and Ahab's only fatal flaw was his obsession for vengeance against the sea beast "what bit off his leg!"). Nazi war criminals are SUPPOSED to "scream like a bitch" when someone gives 'em a taste of their own medicine!...

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I might have to re-evaluate this, having heard that Peck was a pretty strong guy in real life. Robert Mitchum, his nemesis in "Cape Fear", says that Peck accidentally punched him for real during a take of the fight scene and he was left aching for days afterwards.

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Yul Brynner would take them both at the same time.

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I'm sure he probably would have.

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