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Pretentious, silly, even at the time.


Just watched recently. Took me back to my college days, when if you were 'deep' you were supposed to like Bergman films. Now I see this film as silly & pretentious (guess as we kind of were).

Don't see the great images. Makes me think of a film someone in a High School film class would make (or Dianne Chambers on "Cheers"). Of course any close-up of Sydow's face is beautiful.

I think there were Twilight Zone's made around the same time (actually with similar themes) that were better done.

If one wants a story asking what it is to exist, to die, give me Philip K. Dick any day over Bergman.

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Philip K. Dick is one of the greatest writers, no doubt about that. However I don't feel it is correct to compare a Bergman film too a Philip K. Dick novel.

The genial part in The Seventh Seal is not about existence. The story is a chess game! In the beginning the pieces are lined up in front of you. It starts with presenting the game and the white and black kings. Next we see the white bishop beside the white king... The white queen is taken by the black already in the beginning. We meet the Queen pawn and follow him until he leaves the board and can watch the checkmate from outside. When he leaves the board the queen returns. Like in a real chess game the rooks (tower/castle in swedish) end the game. Everybody is trapped in the black castle...

I have no time to explain which character is what piece now and it would take away the fun. Have another try!


Antiparanoia is the eerie feeling that nothing is connected to anything else

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I don't see anything silly about this film. It is intelligent and well written with excellent acting and directing.

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Perhaps you pretended to enjoy it in your youth, despite not fully understanding it, as part of the image you wished to project of yourself to others. Thus now you find people who enjoy it to be "pretentious", as your own enjoyment was once based on pretence, instead of being able to see that there people who legitimately enjoy and find value in the film.

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Your comment deserves a statue.

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Beautifully stated, cool136.

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Bravo.

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Great job! Just what Objviewer needs to hear!

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well said!!!

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Amen. OP : as we say in France when someone gets annihilated by a witty and intelligent response : ramasse tes dents (pick your teeth up).

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It is still pretentious and silly. Some of the acting reminded me of a Benny Hill skit. The dvd is going in the bin.

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Wow. I was just about to post about agreeing whole-heartedly with Cool316 and as I scrolled down, I was pleasantly surprised to find so many in agreement. I find well structured arguments on IMDB to be under-appreciated.

As for the film, I absolutely loved it. Rarely do I find a film that is so brutally honest about existential angst whose sentiments pervade nearly all characters in this fashion. I find many writers/directors to not have the courage to not cop out of its movie's subject matter in the end, as if they're afraid to put it all on the line and alienate their audience. The latter part of that statement is just conjecture, but I do notice a strong tendency of the majority of writers/directors to cop out in their attempts to resolve the dire circumstances of the characters. I would have felt betrayed if the movie had ended differently, especially considering its setting in post crusade bubonic plague era. I relate very much so to the subject matter except I don't actually believe in god, though this detail is not required as there is plenty of existential angst outside belief in a deity.

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Careful, don't cut yourself with that edge, bro.

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1) I never said people who enjoy the film are pretentious. I certainly would never define someone as pretentious or not pretentious based on their enjoyment of a movie (or lack thereof). Said movie was pretentious:)

2) as to my "enjoyment based on pretence", uh, I never enjoyed it - so no enjoyment to base on anything. All just my opinion.

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Well . . once you label a film "pretentious," there's an implied guilt-by-association factor, so while you may not be directly or intentionally labeling Bergman fans, you kinda are. I avoid tossing that term around because, frankly, it's cliché, it's lazy, and it doesn't say anything worth saying. It's a soft jab from someone who arrives at a vague notion that a certain film seems too ponderous, too self-consciously "important", too ambitious, or (my favorite) too "artsy," yet isn't really interested in specifics or analysis.

Doesn't the term basically refer to someone whose reach exceeded their grasp? In other words, a director/writer etc was trying to make something that wasn't primarily driven by the need to entertain? Honestly, give me pretentiousness any day over whatever its opposite would be. Modest? Pandering?

A pretentious bent may mean an artist misses the mark and alienates potential audience members from time to time, but he/she may also create something mind-blowing on occasion. "The Seventh Seal" isn't my favorite Bergman film, but to me it is the most Bergman-y one. That either works for you or it doesn't. I've become more tuned into his films as I've gotten older (I'm 43).

If there's one current director who would be comfortable labeling "pretentious" it would be Terence Malick. I've seen a few of his films, and I just don't get what the big deal is. They're . . nice, I suppose. "The Thin Red Line" was a mess. Then you've got the fact that he pulls in all-star casts, shoots 10 hours of film and discards most of it -- insulting actors by cutting their entire roles in the process -- and you've got a dude who clearly believes every frame he shoots is a grand statement of some sort. I don't get that from Bergman, who I feel made the only type of movies he possibly could.

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damn, damn, damn.

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very well pointed...

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It's a comedy, it's your school's, your friend's and your own fault you took it as something else.

Or one could say fantasy movie with comedic elements.

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It was pretty funny.

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Agree 100%

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