Movies made during WWII depicted the "Jap" as a leering yellow monster whose sole objective was to get into the pants of white women (cf. SO PROUDLY WE HAIL).
Yet a mere dozen years after the conflict ended, Sessue Hayakawa's Col. Saito--although clearly the enemy--is depicted as an intelligent man and a forceful leader.
It makes me wonder if, in some future year, a film is made about the current fighting in the Middle East that might show some leader of al-Qaeda or the Taliban in a similar way.
It makes me wonder if, in some future year, a film is made about the current fighting in the Middle East that might show some leader of al-Qaeda or the Taliban in a similar way.
Good question.
Depends on who finally wins and who gets to write history.
He also said "Tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth." And the republicans have taken that to heart when it comes to health care in the states. Also they tried it with Obama's birth certificate and that failed miserably.
"Gentlemen, This is a War Room, There's no fighting allowed in Here!"
"He also said 'Tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth.' And the republicans have taken that to heart when it comes to health care in the states."
Indeed. However, the lies that have been told (long enough, it seems, to have bamboozled a few) have been told by the Democrats . . . and have been certified as such for months now. Or, do you mean the lie that higher tax rates produce more government revenue? That one's been told since Woodrow Wilson was inaugurated . . . and some people still actually believe it.
"Also they tried it with Obama's birth certificate and that failed miserably."
Who's side are you on, already?! I mean, when a question becomes a lie just in the asking, it seems to me the "real" lie we're left to deal with is the lie that "the Republicans" tried to ask the question in the first place -- which they did not.
The question "I" would ask is -- who's the pot and who's the kettle here?
That might be a relief -- so to speak. . . And, it saves having to think about "either" and make a thoughtful decision as to which is the more deserving of the effluent.
Such a thread only becomes a political forum when some knucklehead makes it one. Things have a way of veering off into Republican bashing with some...it's a reflex.
I do have to disagree with the premise of your original post.
"Movies made during WWII depicted the "Jap" as a leering yellow monster whose sole objective was to get into the pants of white women..."
Sorry, but that's just a ridiculous statement. Most movies of the era either never showed them, or it depicted them as cold-blooded fanatics. Sexual urges of the Japanese soldier where rarely if ever explored. If you have issues with the cold-blooded fanatics characterization, read about the Rape of Nanking, or the Kamikazi, or Okinawa, or what they did to the people of the Philippines or Korea.
"Yet a mere dozen years after the conflict ended, Sessue Hayakawa's Col. Saito--although clearly the enemy--is depicted as an intelligent man and a forceful leader."
1) It wasn't a "conflict", it was a bloody, murderous fight to the death.
2) "Intelligent man"? "Forceful leader"? I'm not sure what movie you were watching. He was depicted as a tyrant, a bully, and a weak coward. All he knew was beatings, threats, torture and coercion. When all else failed, he simply curled up into the fetal position and let the British have their way with him and his men.
"It makes me wonder if, in some future year, a film is made about the current fighting in the Middle East that might show some leader of al-Qaeda or the Taliban in a similar way."
If Sean Penn, Danny Glover or Oliver Stone get their way, count on it.
But . . . we do tolerate them! We also tolerate the speech of those who think what they say is misguided or, simply, nonsense. Our Constitution requires such tolerance. And, ah, don't worry about "fascism" -- that's a European idea. More than a few of us died, if memory serves, protecting its European creators from its inevitable effects.
Yes, partly thanks to the US, Europe did defeat fascism, but it became almost fascistic itself in the 50's- McCarthy, John Wayne etc. So soon after Roosevelt praised Stalin and Time/Life mags praised Stalin and the KGB.
Not to belabor a point (especially, since it's so far from your original point -- free speech in the U.S.?), it is, I think, a supernatural irrelevancy how many people died (I thought you were talking about America anyway) fighting 20th Century European political inventions. When the death toll reaches, let's say, more than 10, it's a national sacrifice, ironically, bestowed upon, as in this case, the creators of their own troubles. America does that a lot. Thank God.
Btw, if you think the McCarthy hearings or a movie star's personal and outspoken sense of patriotism amounts to an equivalent of democratically elected, national fascism, then we have nothing further to talk about. By the by, you ought to look at M. Stanton Evan's "Blacklisted by History" about the truth of the McCarthy hearings and the era in which they took place. To wit; they were popular (at first), needed, and effective. Very few people were unjustly damaged and, certainly, the hearings (and John Wayne's pronouncements) did not result in 20 million dead.
Or, perhaps, you have no idea what fascism is or means? It's a word which has been misused extensively, especially by liberals for their own political ends, for decades (Maybe that's what you're doing in your post?). I suggest you, also, take a look at Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" for an in-depth discussion of the subject and the term.
Re FDR's and Time's praise of Stalin -- they're always doing that(!) -- the liberals, that is. Can't get away from the commonality of that seductive Marxist imperative -- re-distribution of income -- essential to both ideologies. Remember, both Mussolini and Hitler were socialists first and foremost, and they, too, were praised by the same liberal intelligentsia -- 'til the bombs started falling. Then, of course, they conveniently forgot what they'd been saying up to then (see Thomas Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society").
You don't even know what fascism is...nor do you understand the concept of free speech. It's first and foremost the right to speak out against or criticize the government without fear of being thrown in a dungeon. It's not a license to spout anything you want without being challenged. Sean Penn, Danny Glover and Oliver Stone can say whatever they like...It doesn't mean I or anyone else has to agree with it, and it's not "fascism" to say you don't.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of "tolerant" people in this country doing their best to criminalize speech and opinion that they don't like in an attempt to silence dissent, calling it warm and fuzzy terms like "hate speech" or "political correctness". It's nothing more than leftist fascism.
It's telling that Penn, Glover and Stone openly admire and defend the likes of Castro, Chavez and Che Guevara...fascists and murders all. They are the type of people that want the freedom to say whatever they want, but would give nearly anything to have the power of a Castro to silence and punish anyone that dares disagree with them.
You can take the measure of a man based on who he admires.
Not that you probably care, but to set the record straight the results shown in that screenshot were from a survey conducted among Ed Schultz's fellow hard left MSNBC audience members. Thanks for demonstrating where the fascists can be found.
Yet in a survey of his (reliably liberal) viewers, 78 percent said they agreed with "the policy of targeted killing of American citizens."
These results may have come as a surprise to Schultz -- neither he nor MSNBC PR immediately responded to a request for his reaction.
Funny that Ed Schultz got fired from MSNBC, yet Al Sharpton is still there, albeit just weekends now.
March 26, 2013
a new Gallup poll on public attitudes towards drone strikes. The results are not surprising, but they are interesting. Americans largely support drone strike against foreign terrorist suspects abroad (65 percent support) but are less supportive (41 percent support) of targeting Americans overseas and are really not into domestic drone strikes (25 percent support)---which do not happen anyway.
26 Mar, 2013
A majority of British citizens support their government helping the US locate and eliminate known terrorists with drone strikes abroad and in the UK, according to a new survey, despite growing controversy over civilians killed by drones.
54 percent of those surveyed said they support killing individual terrorists abroad, and 31 percent indicated they were against it. The joint survey was conducted by the University of Surrey's Centre for International Intervention and defense think tank the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), in collaboration with YouGov.
So does that mean the British are "legally retarded" as well? reply share
That's OK, I understand the point you were trying to make. I just don't agree with your assertions that:
WWII movie's depiction of Japanese soldiers was one of men "whose sole objective was to get into the pants of white women."
Saito was "depicted as an intelligent man and a forceful leader."
I've been watching WWII era movies for nearly 50 years, and I know what I've seen. I don't need a book to tell me.
And as far as Saito's goes, while his character may have been an educated man, he wasn't necessarily intelligent. Nor was the fact that he was in charge make him a leader. His portrayal was not flattering at all, and you would have to ignore the brutal way he treated his prisoners even before Nicholson showed up in order to feel an ounce of admiration or sympathy for him. I don't think a similar portrayal of a Taliban leader would make anyone look at them in a kind way.
Yeah, the man ready to shoot unarmed officers in cold blood and according to Shears, was the cause of death of many others. Col. Saito was hardly merciful.