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Eliza, ... you have some 'splainin' to do!


Blue-eyed Jess (Coop) and blue-eyed Eliza (Dorothy McGuire) would not have produced brown-eyed Josh (Anthony Perkins).

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Bio 101, a grandparent with brown eyes can result in a brown eyed grandchild from both blue eyed parents. Blue eyes are a genetically recessive trait.

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Don't think so. Jess and Eliza wouldn't have had the dominant genes to pass on, because they were both the product of recessive genes from both of their parents.

Check out: http://www.athro.com/evo/gen/eyecols.html

(sorry, I haven't mastered the clickability markup)

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I think I'm right, any way blue eyes are always recessive, since we don't know their parents eye color, we can only assume one had brown eyes, however back in the late 19th century like 58% of all American Caucasians were born with blue eyes, compared to 40% in the 1940's, so I would assume or extrapolate that the percentage was even higher in the early 1800's, and it's more likely Jess and Eliza's parents were both blue eyed.

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Once again:

Even if Eliza or Jess had a parent with brown eyes, each of their parents only passed on the recessive genes for blue eyes. Therefore, Jess and Eliza only had recessive genes for blue eyes to pass on to their children.

Just for discussion:

Jess's parents:
Mother had brown eyes (1 brown gene dominating 1 blue gene)
Father had blue dyes (2 recessive blue genes)
Mother happened to pass on the recessive blue gene to combine with a blue gene from Father.
Jess has blue eyes, which comes from having two recessive genes.
Jess only has recessive genes to pass on to his children

Eliza's parents both had brown eyes (1 brown gene dominating 1 blue gene)
It so happens that each of them passes on the recessive blue gene.
Eliza has blue eyes, because she has been given two recessive genes for blue.
Eliza only has the recessive genes to pass on to her children.

Their children receive only recessive genes for eye color, if Jess is, in fact, the father.

Brown-eyed parents can have blue-eyed children.
Blue-eyed parents will not have brown-eyed children.

Sorry I mentioned it.

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Don't be sorry, it's an interesting discussion.

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Haha..I love this discussion a lot.Well,Tony Perkins did not look much like his real daddy Osgood Perkins although he also had brown eyes and dark hair.However,Osgood had a very marky,not too beautiful face whereas Tony looked tender and very pretty.It is always interesting how genes can vary :)

Best wishes,

Mony

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Elvis Perkins, the son of Tony Perkins and Berry Berenson, was on NPR's Studio 360 last week, so I googled his image. Check him out. Looks like a cross between Tony P and Rob Lowe!

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jdbna is right. Two blue-eyed parents cannot have a brown-eyed child.

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Read carefully:
We're talking about blue-eyed parents.
Your parents have brown eyes. We've explained it above.

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Two blue-eyed parents can have a child with brown eyes.

Most of us learned the model for determining eye color that G.C. Davenport and C.B. Davenport devised in 1907. The Davenport model wrongly says brown eye color is always dominant over blue eye color, which means that two blue-eyed parents always have blue-eyed kids. We know better now.

"Although not common, two blue-eyed parents can produce children with brown eyes," says Richard A. Sturm, a Principal Research Fellow at the Institute for Molecular Bioscience at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia.


http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2004-10-14-wonder quest_x.htm


Both my grandparents had blue eyes, had four children, 3 with blue eyes, one with brown eyes, and grandma did not sleep with the milk man!

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i sort of stumbled onto this conversation but i have my story so here goes:

both my parents and my sister have hazel eyes.....i am the only one in my family with brown eyes....and i look just like my father...no mailman here...

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Around the time I was born (before color TV, OK?), a study was published claiming that blue-eyed parents could not have a brown-eyed child. Some irate mothers checked in, and, after the dust settled, it was determined that brown-eyed babies of blue-eyed parents were a 1 in 1,000,000 genetic mutation.

So if you didn't feel like a weirdo before...

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My grandparents had both brown eyes and had 3 kids with green/blue eyes and 12 with brown and hazel eyes. My blue-eyed aunt, had two redheaded grandchildren, and they said it was because of my aunt grandparents. Is it common for the genes to predominate every three or four generations?

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Eye color, skin color, hair color are considered multifactorial traits, and more than one gene come into play when these "matings"/Pairing occur.

So, yes, two blue eyed parents can have a brown eyed child.

And besides, it's a MOVIE... so those details are really wholly unimportant.

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Don't really see a problem except for foul-minded commenters. The Quakers of the Society of Friends and other Quaker groups have had a rich and active tradition of taking in orphans and adopting them.

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Thank you! I was about to post the same thing but kept reading wondering why no one else had thought of or mentioned it yet. If people are questioning the fidelity of a Quaker, something's wrong. I'm not saying Quaker's are exempt from cheating but it's such a random issue to bring up considering it's a movie and Perkins is not Cooper and McGuire's actual child.


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I know this thread is a few years old, but I happened to see FRIENDLY PERSUASION the other night on TCM. Did anyone notice that "Young Jess" also had brown eyes?

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While this discussion has been just a wee-bit on the pedantic side, I've found it entertaining as well as enlightening.

But I seriously doubt filmmaking and production concerned themselves with eye colors when everyone was cast in FRIENDLY PERSUASION; in fact, with rare exceptions, I don't think such minutae normally even enters the minds of directors, producers and screen writers in most any movie or TV program made before OR since FP. But even if I'm proven wrong in my opinion, there's still the fact that this movie is an adaptation from source material, i.e., it was a book before it made the transition to cinema, and a cast was assembled to play the parts of the characters in the book onscreen.

Maybe I'm not making much sense because it's proving difficult for me to convey my thoughts here on this subject. What I'm trying to say is, Tony Perkins may have brown eyes but that doesn't mean his character does. We may see the reality of Perkin's eye color but the book (which I haven't read) probably doesn't even specify ANYONE'S color or eyes anyway. Perkins' character may be blue eyed even though he himself isn't, but I won't rush to judgment in concluding he was miscast; Perkins was very good as the brooding young man who wrestles with his religious and pacifist convictions.

Okay folks, show's over, nothing to see here!

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Agreed, vinidici. Disney was famous for not caring whether accents or anything else matched. My favorite example is Hayley Mills in The Parent Trap. Two American parents, one in CA and one in Boston, have twins with English accents.

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"Friendly Persuasion" is not a Disney movie.

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Oh come on. It's a movie. Don't be so picky

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