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Other Women who could have played Ado Annie?


I was thinking about it, and Betty Hutton really should have taken the role.

Others who could have done it:
Celeste Holm (orig. the part on B'Way; under contract to Fox at the time)
Marilyn Monroe (again, Fox contractee; what a follow-up to There's No Business Like Show Business that would have been!)
Lee Remick (in keeping with the "Actors Studio" types being considered motif).

And, of course, someone who would have been just perfect, if she was a little more well-known then:

Carol Burnett!!!!

Any other ideas?

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I think Gloria Grahame did an excellent job in the role, and don't think there would have been any reason to consider someone else, but in keeping with the spirit of the topic, how about Shelley Winters? She had played Ado Annie at the tail end of the original Broadway run of "Oklahoma!" in New York, and in 1954/55, she was still considered a Hollywood beauty. Then again, maybe she would have been overly knowing and sophisticated for the more innocent Ado Annie. But on the other hand, Shelley Winters was a consummate actress, and could pull off just about any type of role.

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I agree that there was no reason to consider anyone else. In the spirit of the topic, how about Virginia O'Brien? She would have been four years older than Gloria.

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Gloria Grahame was horrible. During "I Cain't Say No", there is so much an actress could do in the song, like be seductive and comical, but she just stood there like a fourth-grader reciting an essay. Ado Annie is supposed to be a slutty ditz, but Gloria Grahame made her out to be someone with a low IQ and actually belongs in an asylum. Oh, and have I mentioned that she was completely tone deaf?!?

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Betty Hutton and Mitzi Gaynor both auditioned. Both would have been better than Grahame.

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I thought Grahame was sensational. Best performance in the movie.

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Yeah. If it weren't a musical and weren't a comedy, she'd have been uh-MAZE-ing. Unfortunately, she was wooden, tone deaf, and maudlin.

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I'm far from the only one who thought she was terrific. You can feel differently, but you don't need to be an ass about it.

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I *do* feel differently and I stated my opinion in an honest, forthright manner. I'm sorry to hear that you've taken my opinion personally.

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Mamie Van Doren apparently came close to nabbing the role until her acting teacher, coincidentally also Graham's mother, double crossed her gave her daughter the script Van Doren had been rehearsing with, leading to Gloria campaigning for and winning the role. But, Zinneman and R&H were both apparently impressed with Van Doren's screen test.

Having already heard Van Doren's singing in "Teacher's Pet," "Untamed Youth," and "Girls Town," I can't say her singing was anything to brag about, but "dubbing" was so common back in those days that her lack of vocal training wouldn't have been an obstacle to casting her. She would have been hot as hell strutting around in a barnyard singing (or "lip syncing") the words to "I Can't Say No." She may not have exactly been Marilyn, but she definitely cut a nicer figure than Graham did. Shame how it all went down, but that's show biz for ya, lol.

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Couldn't agree more. Fine actress. Smart. Funny. Knows how to get a 'payoff' by just acting honestly and doing very little.

Perfect contrast with Gordon McRae, who couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.

Good rule of thumb re musical casting:

If you wouldn't get the role in a 'straight' version of the story, you shouldn't get it in a musical version. If all you can do is sing, do concerts, don't do musicals.

That's why Grahame is so good in this -- because we see Annie as a person. And why McRae is so lousy -- because there's nothing there but the voice as a musical instrument. Might as well put a cowboy hat and chaps on a trombone, it would be no more ridiculous than McRae was.

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I'm sorry - GORDON was the one who couldn't act???

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OMG I can't...you just made my day...

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There is nothing wrong with disliking Gloria Grahame as Ado Annie, but keep in mind the actors act under direction. The director - and a very accomplished one at that - was Fred Zinneman. There is also the cinematography & camera crews adding ideas and detail to scenes. I know that actors always bring something of their own to the film, but it's not as if Gloria Grahame decided on her own how the moment is to be portrayed.

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That's true - however, some actors will only take so much direction from the director and often it's hard to tell if the actor is doing what the director tells them to do or if they are interpreting how they personally see the character. Sometimes an actor is just not fit to play the role they're cast as. This also doesn't escape reports of how horrendously Gloria Grahame acted on set.

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Perhaps I am alone in this view, but I thought Gloria Graham was great in this role.

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Loved Gloria Graham, but think Mitzi Gaynor or Betty Hutton would've been great too as they were in The Greatest Show on Earth (Hutton) and South Pacific (Gaynor).

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me too.

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i loved gloria grahame in this role.

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I like all of your suggestions. I was thinking of Judy Canova as well. If they could have quietened her down a bit for this role. She's very rarely seen. But the Aldo Annie character reminded me of her a bit.

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Best suggestion is Shirley McLean. Ideal.

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Yes your suggestions all could have done the part but I thought Gloria Grahame was perfect; there is no need to wish for somebody else in the role. She is the definitive Ado Annie, unknown or not. My sister played Ado Annie in our high school production of Oklahoma! and brought down the house. She is definitely an Ado Annie type person with the same personality. I was off to college then so I didn't see her but my parents told me she was great and I can believe it.

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I also thought Grahame was excellent. Betty Hutton would have been too overwhelming; she would have tried to upstage (or is it upscreen?) everyone, and her ego would not have allowed her to play a supporting role. Shelley Winters could certainly have done it, and as a previous poster remarked, she had played Annie in NYC. Mamie Van Doren certainly had the ability but I think she might have been too distractingly beautiful. Jane Wyman, had she been younger, would have been interesting. But I believe Gloria Grahame was spot on perfect.

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I'm thinking Judy Holliday or Jean Arthur.

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Betty Hutton is definitely my first choice.

This is my favorite version of Oklahoma, but what stops it from being perfect in my eyes is the casting of Ado Annie. And probably the lack of Lonely Room.

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Of course Shirley MacLaine would have been perfect. Song and dance abilities. Acting genius. Great comic chops. Instantly discernible star quality. And she was on the scene at the time. MacLaine's so right for the role I can't help thinking she must
have at least hoped to test for it.
Have never been enthusiastic about the Mamie Van Doren casting. Good looking for sure - and she could carry a tune, I guess. But her onscreen presence always seemed shallow and limited to me. If they wanted a reasonably priced Monroe type, they should have considered Diana Dors. A fine actress with terrific comedy flair. Seems to me good British actors (which Dors certainly was) often had the ability to assume pretty convincing American accents. I'll bet Dors would have aced the part. Plus she was an excellent singer - even made an LP (called "Swingin' Dors") for Columbia in the late 50's.
Redheaded vocalist Teresa Brewer only made one film - a 1953 musical called "Those Redheads from Seattle". But she was extremely good in it. A real natural for pictures. I believe she turned down further screen offers to concentrate on her recording career (still going great guns at the time). Would have been interesting to see if an offer to play Ado Annie in such an event movie would have convinced her to give pictures one more shot. I suspect she'd have been a charmingly feisty delight in the part..

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I was going to suggest Peggy Cass but I see someone suggested Judy Canova and I can't top that.
This was really an all star cast as far as secondary characters are considered. The leads HAD to be played by great singers but the rest were expendable. Graham, Whitmore, Steiger, all oscar nominees and Flippen were all at the height of their popularity. Greenwood, well known but nearly retired, got to play the part written for her for the stage which she had to pass due to her health.
Of all the big name musical starts at the time I can see how they got McCrae. MGM wouldn't part with any of their stud farm and I'm sure Warner's could spare McCrae. The casting of Jones was just genius though I've read that R&H had their eye on her for a long time. Which also brings to mind how much control R&H had over their filmed productions. Much more than other Broadway producers. I don't know if this extended to casting though.

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