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Why did Mr Roberts love this crew?


What a bunch of whining slackers. An unlikable bunch if ever there was one. Always trying to get Mr Roberts to bend the rules. All the fakers trying to get on sick report so that their fellow crewmen got stuck doing all the work. Insigna and his high-pitched whine. Dolan who immediately turns on Mr Roberts. "that crud MAnnion." Did you notice how he didn't let his buddies know about the bathing nurses? Steffanowski, who is so apathetic he doesn't even know where his battle station is? The guy who crows over the fact that Steffanowski gets suck with the duty. The way they go absolutely ape while on liberty. Attacking and destroying and stealing as they go. No thought for anyone or anything : just mindless anarchy. And of course the way the crew immediately thinks Mr. Roberts is bucking for promotion. Maybe Morton WAS an ignorant tyrant, but ANY Captain would have been hard on this bunch!

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Love isn't or shouldn't be based on perfection. Mister Roberts understands these guys and the misery they endure, and the way they deal with things. They are his crew.





"It's as red as the Daily Worker and twice as sore."

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Yes I was. I served on the USS Caine a DMS under Lt. Commander Phillip Queeq. BTW I ate the strawberries!

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Thank YOU Mr. Humorless!

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Oh! I have been called many things in my life but NEVER humorless!!! Even on this post, I was writting tongue firmly planted in cheek. Come on! Who else here ran down the good guys? JUst for that I'm going to complain that Henry Fonda plays Mr. Roberts far too saintly. Was there EVER a naval officer so self-effacing? So humble? So understanding? So uncaring about his own fortunes and naval career? So self-sacrificing? So concerned about even the mental outlook of his charges? This guy would make Jesus feel like a rat! BTW nice sneak attack jumping threads. You have my admiration. : )

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The bottom line is that Mr. Roberts (Henry Fonda) understood what the men were going through. The way he saw it, they were basically good guys who were not given credit for the work they were doing, they had a captain (James Cagney) who was a real tyrant and they felt cheated because they wanted to be where the actual fighting was. Mr. Roberts was in that same position because he wanted to be transferred someplace where the actual fighting was. Basically, the men were burned out and needed liberty. Mr. Roberts realized this but the Captain refused to give the men liberty. So I would say it was not so much that Mr. Roberts LOVED the crew but that he identified with the men and their circumstances. Does anybody else agree or disagree?

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In the novel, the men had no desire to be in combat, which is totally normal. Only Roberts, an idealist and romantic, wanted to fight. The problem was boredom. Boredom was the biggest enemy, no matter what branch of the service you were in. Their behavior on liberty was understandable, but they were hurting innocent people in some cases and had to be kept under control. Roberts was exceptionally caring because he was not a regular officer. He was in it for the duration and 6 months. That's why his naval career didn't concern him.

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I disagree the crew wanted to be where the fighting was-that was Mr Roberts thing. But the crew did feel bored and hounded by the captain, who was a stickler who probably felt cheated in many ways, and Roberts did look out for them. He probably cared about them because he felt responsible for them. And they did show in the end that they cared about him.

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Obviously, the person who wrote the first post in this thread ("Never been in the Navy have ya? ") hasn't been in the Navy, or at least had no routine contact with enlisted personnel aboard ship on deployment for any significant amount of time. While not encompassing every aspect of Navy life, and of necessity giving way to a certain degree of exaggeration, this still remains the most realistic movie about what it was actually like to be on a Navy vessel as a member of the crew, in peace or war, that has ever been made. There are far too many Navy veterans who have enjoyed this for that very reason to dispute the point. The notion of a Navy crew that are a bunch of saluting machines or who conform to other unrealistic stereotypes such as the touchy-feely characters you might see on some incarnation of "Star Trek" is pure fantasy. If such manifestations of pure imagination are what you seek you will indeed be disappointed by MISTER ROBERTS.

Moreover, the reviewer seems to have missed the central plot point that the ship had a won an award for moving more cargo than any other vessel in the larger command to which it belonged. Obviously, this did not occur because the crew was slacking. Rather, they made a greater effort in their backbreaking, essentially physical (and yes, terribly boring) jobs than any other similarly situated ship, and did so even though they were not shown any appreciation by their effective lord and master, the captain, but were instead meted out an overwhelming series of otherwise minor punishments for trivial offenses whose main characteristic was nothing more than that they hurt his overly sensitive feelings. Rather than being a bunch of whiners, and as any experienced seagoing officer or senior petty officer should know, that the commanding officer did not have more serious disciplinary cases than he did is something to be wondered at.

Indeed, being trapped aboard ship for over a year without a chance to go ashore for the kind of recreation any American college student (at virtually any time in history) might enjoy any (or even every) night of the week, it is amazing that they didn't wreak more havoc than they did when they finally got liberty. The reviewer evidently does not know his history in this regard, or perhaps in his own career was he never belonged to an ordinary college fraternity. The kinds of things that went on during the abortive Elysium port visit were by no means unheard of during the war; the only thing that is untoward about them in this movie is the dramatic license taken in lumping them all together in a single night in relation to single ship. And certainly, similarly outrageous though nowhere-as-well-earned stunts have been pulled by college students of all generations -- boys of the same age range and with the same amount of testosterone, although probably of rather less maturity, than the sailors in the movie.

The fellow who couldn't find his battle station is a classic that should be familiar to nearly everyone who ever went to sea on a naval ship. That one of these guys might have a mind that works rather differently than that of a rocket scientist and, having not been at battle stations since the previous YEAR (pay close attention to the dialog) as might not be unheard of on a ship of this type, it would be remarkable if he were were in fact the only one who couldn't find his battle station. (I still remember the order that went out around 1980 or so in the Atlantic Fleet Submarine Force that submarine tenders, another type of non-combatant support ship, get under way at least once every three months, lest they forget how -- until then they has been handling that issue by temporarily detaching their officers periodically to combatant ships so they would not forget everything they were supposed to know about ship-handling.)

In sum, it gets old reading inaccurate and pontifical commentary about Navy movies written by people who have no way of knowing what they are talking about because they never bothered to get first-hand knowledge by actually making the personal sacrifices involved in joining the service and going to sea. Nevertheless, they now pretend to pronounce authoritatively on the subject, sitting before their keyboards in a Clancyesque fugue spewing the most imaginative fiction smugly presented as fact. It is regrettable that, having made the personal decision to avoid Naval service in preference to an easier and more comfortable lifestyle, they do not keep their essentially uninformed opinions about such matters to themselves.

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Gator man, thank you. The events that occurred during Liberty seem mild. Of course all at once is like a condensed version! The things that servicemen did in WWII and got away with we're measured by a different yardstick than what is employed today. I have heard many accounts from the great vets I have interviewed from all branches and both theaters. Today they court marshal our men for swearing in the presence of the enemy. Do you wonder why we can't win a war now? Sad.

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They were after birds and booze. Only norma! I have no time for Political Correctness in.any way, shape or form.

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That is one thing Roberts never explains. I guess it was mostly out of sympathy for the men who were stuck, like Doug, on that ugly old tub with that jerk of a commanding officer, Morton. At Fonda's real age at the time this film was made, he was a good deal older than the rest of the crew and probably felt some kind of fatherly relationship to the younger enlisted men under his
authority. That's an officer's job, if he's any good. The crew WAS a bunch of
whining slackers, but they had plenty of personality - good-natured horniness, adeptness at practical jokes, etc.

"Could be worse."
"Howwww?"
"Could be raining."

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I was on two different ships and saw many of the smae kind of characters as in this movie. I started out as a deck seaman, doing the sam echippignsanding and painting the men had to do and it is mind numbingly tedious, boring and essentially pointless busy work. Even the most well adjusted guy would inevitably snap, especially after being sutck on the ship for one year without any liberty. The actions the men take on liberty is actually tame compared to some of the stuff I saw and partook in when I was in the Middle East. Most officers tend to have some sympathy for the men undder them, whether it's pity or some kind of paternal protectiveness and an overbearing , basically evil captain abusing his crew to the point of exhaustion would make any sane, rational person upset. This , coupled with the fact that the officers were also stuck on board helped to establish a kind of Stockholm Syndrome amongst the crew. MOst of the crew wer efresh out of high school , if they even fnished high school and were still basically adolescents. The pranks, fights and all the other shenanigans were a way for the guys to blow off steam, a much needed outlet for guys who had no idea when the next time they would see liberty would be. While this movie has it's cornier moments, it is still one of the best examples of what goes in during wartime. Boredom can be a killer, believe me . MASH also used to show guys doing anyhting to shake the doldrums when they were in the midst of a lull.

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Nicely said. The more of these posts I read, the more I believe in universal mandatory service for all young Americans.

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by ta2me92704 (Tue Jul 8 2008 12:43:59) Ignore this User | Report Abuse


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Great post. Well said.

Those who have not served will never understand.

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That sir is a 100% totally unfair and incorrect statement.

I have never served yet even if I can not understand with 100% accuracy I can still appreciate the sacrifices and numerous problems and heartaches that are associated with serving your country in wartime.

And I can get a pretty good picture through well made movies such as Mr. Roberts.

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Why don't you start serving now?

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It's the way servicemen and women feel about each other. Whether they are slackers or not, they are your brothers. In every branch of the service it's the same. They build up a lot of commaderie.

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I spent four years as a Cadet before shipping in the U.S. Merchant Fleet, and the bond I developed with my classmates on the school's training ship, despite their bad behavior (at times), whining, womanizing and sporadic irritating habits in the living spaces was something I have never experience before or since. We became family.

His love for his men is no different.

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You have to remember, at the beginning of the movie, we learn that the crew hasn't been on liberty for a really long time (few have been ashore, but strictly for duty), and Roberts tells Doc something like, "they've gone Asiatic."

"Going Asiatic" was a slang used by sailors and marines around the time of WWII, and it meant that the subject of the phrase is going crazy as a result of the stresses of combat, or from being isolated for too long on a remote island or ship, with few or no means of pleasure, leisure, and rest, or any other kinds of distraction from the war (something that liberty or R&R would provide). However, I believe the terms was more used by Marines than sailors. But marines and sailors often naturally interacted closely, I'm sure sailors picked-up on the saying (Roberts probably delivered cargo to plenty of marines).

But anyway, basically the crew, even though they were in a safe area, they had been stressed for such a long time through the confines of the ship and their duties, with no ways to relieve that stress. The faking of illness to get out of duty is a classic tell-tale that they're over-stressed, not that they are particularly lazy. Many of the other examples the OP provides are also symptoms of prolonged stress.

PS: I recall that in HBO's recent miniseries, The Pacific, they talked about going Asiatic at one point in one of the episodes.

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Roberts loved his crew because it's just the kind of guy he was. It's that simple. He'd have loved any crew he had. I think his "love" of the crew was increased by his sympathy for them, as well as the obvious esteem and affection they openly showed him in return. He knew the captain was being an unfair, dictatorial little ass, but couldn't do anything about it.

Here's to the health of Cardinal Puff.

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I'd be surprised if a Captain could really get away with denying crew liberty for as long as he did in the movie. Seemed like they had been confined to the vessel for at least a year.

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I first heard the "Going Asiatic" phrase from my Dad, who went through three years as Exec to his chum from OTC at Annapolis. They worked very well together, eventually making Lt. Commander and Commander. He said that no matter What kind of ship you were on, the boredom drove you screwy. He also said that the few "Captain Mortons" that did get through, ended up on ships like the RELUCTANT, doing nothing, seeing nothing and bored out of their minds.

Dad LOVED MR. ROBERTS, and we would watch it together regularly until the day he died.

He never did tell me what exactly happened during "The War", but I know that they saw action. Going through Dad's Lockbox after he passed, I found the telegram that came to the Ship announcing Japan's surrender. I also found a piece of scorched, twisted metal with Japanese characters on it.

Proud, Second Generation US NAVY!









"I do hope he won't upset Henry.."

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They were his charges. He was responsible for them and he took that role very seriously.

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