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drinking coffee, in the wardroom - during an air raid?


The final letter to Ensign Pulver informs him of Mr. Roberts' death. It said he was killed when a kamikaze hit his ship while he was in the wardroom, drinking coffee.

Wouldn't the officers and crew be at battle stations if a kamikaze was diving towards the ship? Didn't Roberts push for a transfer so that he could be on a combat ship? He should have known that sitting in the wardroom with a cup of coffee was no place to be during combat.

I just wonder why the writer didn't say he was killed manning an anti-aircraft gun, or fighting a fire, or something similarly heroic. A minor point, I know, but it grates on me each time I watch the movie.

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I always thought of it as the first plane in the air raid, before anyone could really react on the ship.

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It could have been that the attack was so sudden there was no time to sound general quarters and have everyone in the crew man their battle stations. Thus Roberts was killed in the wardroom while drinking coffee.

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I think that you are missing the point of the film here. Roberts did everything he possibly could to get out of being on the cargo ship only to die on a Destroyer drinking coffee. In some ways it was no different to what he had been doing whilst on the cargo ship, something boring.

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His ship was on 'picket' duty. It would have been the first attacked in a kamikaze raid. Picket ships served to warn the capitol ships of in coming a/c, flying beneath radar.

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I've always wondered about this, too. The Navy used to (maybe still does) have a relaxed version of general quarters that would allow people to leave their battle stations for brief periods while no actual combat was going on in order to go to the head, get something to eat, and the like. This is exactly what you would expect to see at Okinawa, where the nature of the Kamikaze threat necessitated long periods at battle stations. But as soon as the incoming plane was sighted you would expect that that information would be passed immediately over the ship's general announcing system (e.g., "Aircraft closing, starboard side!!!") and at that moment everybody would be dropping everything they were doing, cups of coffee and all, and racing back to their battle stations. You would surely expect that even if they were "flying under the radar" that the plane would be seen by the ship's visual lookouts in at least enough time for the word to be passed and for Roberts to have made it through the wardroom door. Does anybody know any vets who can shed some light on this question?

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I was in a destroyer from '80 to '85. During General Quarters ("battle stations") the wardroom was used as a first aid station ("Forward Battle Dressing Station" on my ship), so that would account for him being there. Yes, I know he was not a medical man by trade, but on a small ship some crewmen that showed an interest in, or an aptitude for, first aid were used at the Battle Dressing Stations.

As Gatorman9 said, we sometimes would "relax" from Battle Stations - for the most relaxed condition, there might be only one man left at some stations - but we would return when needed. It's possible that something ... bad weather, faulty radar, fatigued or inattentive lookout ... whatever, allowed the plane to sneak in, but I can't imagine Roberts wouldn't have had time to drop his coffee and be at least on his way out the door. Our wardroom was no more than about 12' by 24', and my ship was bigger than Roberts'.

The key here isn't what he was doing, as much as what he wasn't doing. The conflict between Roberts and the Captain, the conflict that drove the movie, was that the Captain needed Roberts, while Roberts wanted to be away doing something "productive". So, as Bobbygolucky noted, the reason the author had him being in the wardroom drinking coffee was that he didn't die a "hero".


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I think the general idea was that despite moving onto a battleship he actually died doing something he spent most of his time doing on the cargo ship.

ironic and ultimately tragic in the most powerful way.

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Yes, dramatically you all are no doubt right, however much it tends to stick out as one of the less realistic events in the film. By the way, that bit about Roberts working at the first aid station is an interesting rationalization, though at odds with the script as performed. Also, although fatigued lookouts might be expected on a ship fighting under such conditions as this, it seems difficult to believe that under those conditions that the vessel wouldn't have had asomething like a dozen visual lookouts at any given time while at GQ. Nobody wants to die, from the C.O. to the lowliest mess cook striking Fireman.

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Not necessarily.
There are several examples during the Second World War where US ships were caught unawares and struck by enemy aircraft. An example is the USS Franklin (CV-13) on 19 Mar 1945. The ship had moved closer to Japan (50 miles)than any carrier before and was conducting air operations when she was struck by a single Judy or Val that dropped a bomb on it.

A ship conducting air operations will not necessarily be at general quarters (battle stations, if you wish). The attacking aircraft flew out of the clouds and made a low-level run at the ship. I cannot remember whether or not the crew was able to engage the airplane with anti-aircraft fire but I don't think they did. While not a kamikaze, it did arrive unexpectedly and caught the ship *not* at general quarters. The damage to the ship was horrendous and its survival is an tribute to the crew, the designers and the builders of this ship. There were 724 killed and 265 wounded. Two Medals of Honor were earned that day.

One must remember that the ship was not out there by herself but was part of a battlegroup, that consisted of battleships, cruisers and destroyers, with the carrier (along with other carriers) at the center of the group. If an aircraft can avoid all the eyes on the escorts, how much easier would it be for an airplane to hit one of the escorts?

I feel that it is very plausible that Doug Roberts could be in the wardroom drinking coffee when he was killed by a kamikaze striking the ship.

If you have seen much video from WWII, then you have seen Lt.Com. Joseph O'Callahan, one of the Medal of Honor recipients that day. The footage shows him squatting beside a gravely wounded man administering last rites to him, Behind them some type of white cloth is blowing (it looks similar to a parachute). The wounded sailor survived, fortunately. The other recipient was Lt. j.g. Donald Gray, who rescued 300 trapped men.

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Interesting point. The thing is, though, that this was during the Okinawa campaign, during which the invading fleet of more than 1,000 ship was under continual Kamikaze attacks over a period of weeks. The general stories you hear were of people more or less continuously at battle stations for long periods because of the continual nature of the the threat. Thus I would expect a lot of lookouts stationed, and that Roberts's ship would have been equipped with air search radar; and even if it were down, would not other ships be alerting the whole formation on TBS (Talk Between Ships) - does anybody know anything about that?

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>this was during the Okinawa campaign<
While the ground combat on Okinawa didn't begin until 1 Apr 1945, aerial and ship-to-shore bombardment started weeks earlier. The Franklin was supporting the pre-landing attacks by launching strikes on the Japanese main islands. I'm being picky, but CV13 was supporting the Okinawa campaign when she was struck.

Kamikaze attacks were already well known by the US Navy since 1944 so I can only imagine that all concerned were vigilant in their search of the skies for unknown or enemy aircraft.

I suppose that TBS could and was used by ships to alert other ships of the presence of enemy aircraft. Its range could be fairly good, especially at night. The night before their encounter with the mishandled ships of Kurita's Center Force off of Samar, the men of Taffy 3 listened to the the destruction of Nishimura's Southern Force by Jess Oldendorff's old battleships in the Surigao Strait . They were several hundred miles away (it makes me wonder if the TBS used AM frequencies).

I could dig up some of my books where sailors relate stories where they were at General Quarters for extended lenghths of times. Human endurance was only so long and after a while crew would rotate break periods, where battle stations were only partly manned, the others either eating, sleeping (though not necessarily in their sacks) or visiting the head.

Search radar was not always fool-proof and was not always the perfect thing to use to detect incoming aircraft. It was detectable to the enemy further than it was useful to the ships. In other words, the Japanese used the radar emisions to find the fleet from a distance greater than the radar's effective range. If I remember correctly, a low flying plane was not always visible to the radar in use then.

I still maintain that it was well within probability that Doug Roberts could easily have been in the ward room when his ship struck by an enemy aircraft.

Part of the Franklin air group was VMF 214, The Black Sheep. Those of us who lived the 1970's remember the highly fictitious TV program Baa Baa Black Sheep that was, in theory, about this squadron when it was ground-based in the Solomons. The squadron was in the midst of launching an airstrike when the Fanklin was struck and ultimatley lost 32 of its members from the resulting explosions and fires. One of its pilots was given 1/2 credit for downing the Japanese aircraft that hit the Franklin.

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Totally realistic. I have a friend who attributes his survival to coffee. He had just left his post to get a cup when an undetected kamikaze plane hit and killed all his shipmates there.

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I think, at any rate, I started a good thread. Lots of intelligent and informative posts, and no insults. Thanks everyone!

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Followup on the USS Franklin.

I found this story looking for something else.

The skipper of the Franklin, James Shoemaker, Captain USN, wanted to court martial several hundred sailors who prematurely abandoned ship. The Navy wanted to court martial him for not bringing the ship to general quarters when it was known to him (by radar) that Japanese aircraft were in the area. A deal of sorts was struck and both parties did not bring charges.

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Kamikaze would usually come in from out of the sun and strike, making it hard for the lookout to see it before it was too late.

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Roberts did everything he possibly could to get out of being on the cargo ship only to die on a Destroyer drinking coffee. In some ways it was no different to what he had been doing whilst on the cargo ship, something boring.

It can be seen in two ways. The announcement of his death could be viewed as a anti war message, Roberts died worthlessly after years of wanting to join the front line.

However Roberts died after overcoming the boredom on USS Reluctant and managed to become a part of a fighting crew. This boredom was as deadly as combat according to Roberts, so by manageing to overcome it, he was able to achieve his ambitions before his death. Not only this but his death inspired Pulver to throw overboard the palm tree, a symbol of the enemy. Therefore his influence will help Pulver take on Morton.

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not".

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If you read the book the movie is based on, "Mister Roberts" by Thomas Heggen, it explains that Mr. Roberts was killed in the wardroom after the air raid, by a lone Japanese kamikaze which flew into the side of the destroyer (nicknamed "can" in naval lore).

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