Any plans for SOTI's 60th?


Well?

It had its world premiere in New York on May 28, 1954. It deserves an anniversary party. Time's a-wastin'.

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Is the cinema still standing where it premiered in New York?
If so, I suggest we all meet there for a pisco sour or two!

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I don't know -- I don't know which theater it was. But I bet I know someone who does...!

If JB doesn't show his face here over the next 24 I'll PM him into action!



After the pisco sours we can sit down to a traditional Andean repast, a Peruvian specialty originally made in honor of the film's cast and crew, Guinea Pig a la Jerry Hopper. With Bananas Heston for dessert.

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Do they sell Pisco Sours in New York, hob?

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Don't ask me how I know this, but the answer is yes, at least if I'm thinking of the right thing. (Or is this a joke of some sort?) Didn't James send us info on that Peruvian or Incan tour or something that included drinks and dinner at a Peruvian restaurant in New York? Anyway I've been to a Peruvian restaurant and the food and booze were excellent, though I don't recall having a Pisco Sour or not. You can pretty much get anything in New York, probably even more so than in London.

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Hi hobnob and Os

The New York cinema where SECRET OF THE INCAS premiered on 28 May 1954 was the Victoria, which was situated at 1547 Broadway. In 1982 it was flattened by a wrecking ball despite the efforts of a few old die-hard preservationists (so we can't have SOTI's 60th birthday celebrations there). Ironically, the Victoria lives on in a couple of movies that were filmed on location in New York. In Stanley Kubrick's 1955 melodrama KILLERS KISS, the Victoria can be seen in a night shot showing a James Mason British movie, THE MAN BETWEEN. Two decades later, in glorious Technicolor, MIDNIGHT COWBOY used the Victoria as a background shot, displaying DOCTOR DOOLITTLE on a block-long billboard.

28 May 1954, apart from being the day SECRET OF THE INCAS premiered in New York, was also the day that Kirk Douglas (37) wedded producer Ann Buydens (24) at Sahara Hotel in Las Vegas.


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They tore down that beautiful cinema for this!!!!
http://www.oyster.com/new-york-city/hotels/marriott-marquis-new-york/p hotos/the-hotel-marriott-marquis-new-york-v76185/

So Kirk would rather tie the knot again rather than go and see "Secret of the Incas", is that what you are telling us, James? what a maroon (Kirk - not you!)

Just had a thought, Kirk Douglas as Harry Steele. What do you reckon?

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Well, just as I was about to go get James, he came here all on his own. Or did he? Anyway....

I know this area very well. It's in Times Square, as you obviously know the rough New York equivalent of Piccadilly Circus in London. Each month I go to a meeting held at a law firm in the CondΓ© Nast building a block or so away. (I was going to be there again this past week but the trains were canceled after a gas explosion leveled two buildings near the tracks in Harlem.) As you can see from Oswald's link, it's at the nexus of 7th Avenue and Broadway, which intersect and cross over at Times Square.

I have no particular memory of the Victoria but I can tell you both that the entire Square had really hit rock bottom by the 70s, before they began clean-up efforts at the start of the 80s. Most of the stuff in the area was garbage -- porn shops, peep and strip shows, sleazy little merchants, crummy eateries, most of the old theaters and movie palaces run down and given over to -- what else? -- porn, prostitutes and drug addicts on the streets. It was decaying and dreadful. Today the whole area is revitalized, and while some have decried the "Disneyfication" of the place (a view with which I'm in some sympathy), it's a hell of a lot nicer, cleaner and brighter than it was 30 or 40 years ago. I can say there was nothing special about the Victoria that warranted saving it. Not everything old is a national treasure.

I'm almost afraid to ask how James knows the two movies with those background shots of the Victoria Theater, let alone what films were playing in the theater at the time. (In America we don't say "cinema", but "theater", which admittedly is confusing since we use the same word for the "legitimate" theater, with a stage. Also, in keeping with American spelling we end that word -er rather than -re, except that "theatre" is often used out of a misguided sense of pretentiousness and faux sophistication.) I'd be almost certain there are some other NYC-based films that caught sight of the Victoria somewhere in the background: Sweet Smell of Success, perhaps (a lot of it was filmed in and around Times Square), or some others. Something to keep an eye out for, out of curiosity.

I also have no idea how James knew off the top of his head that May 28, 1954 was the date Kirk Douglas wed his second wife, or why it has relevance here. I'm beginning to suspect he's catalogued every occurrence on that date just to note what else was going on in the world the day Secret of the Incas had its world premiere. And I thought I was obsessive! It was a Friday, the start of Memorial Day weekend in the U.S. (Memorial Day is the last Monday in May, and is considered the unofficial start of the summer season.) I can make a guess where I was, age just under 1 year, 4 months. Probably about eight miles away. Beyond that I haven't researched anything.

Kirk in Secret of the Incas? Maybe. He worked a lot for Paramount and it's the kind of role he could have played, but in fact I do think it was much more of a Heston role. The closest actor I can think of as an alternative Harry Steele is Stewart Granger, who did many such roles, but he was an MGM contract player and so an unlikely choice.

Anyway, the Victoria may have gone the way of the Empire, but the address remains, so I'm sure someone could arrange a sidewalk remembrance of the film's opening for its 60th anniversary. It's on a Wednesday this year, and after Memorial Day, so it'll be a bit less hectic than during the lead-up to that weekend. I wonder who we could get to volunteer to go down there and stand with a sign reading, "On this site 60 years ago 'Secret of the Incas' had its world premiere", until the cops hustled him out of there as just another crank.

Hmmm.... When and where did it premiere in London, James?

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I think Kirk Douglas as Harry Steele would have been something to see, so long as he didn't sing! (leave that to Yma, Kirk ... please!!!)

There would have been a lot more pointless grinning and teeth grinding with Kirk in the role, but it would have been memorable. But Chuck could never be beaten as Harry Steele, he was perfect for the arrogant slimeball.

Now that you come to think of it, Stewart Granger would have been excellent in SOTI as well. He played his fair share of adventurers and he looked the part, also. Good call, hob.


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Yeah, Granger got typed as a great white hunter after his first American film, King Solomon's Mines. He only got that role after Errol Flynn, at Metro on a two-picture loan-out from Warner, opted to make Kim instead because he didn't want to be in the middle of Africa with no bars in sight. (True.) Granger would have been good in SOTI, but MGM kept him close at hand. I understand he could be a real bastard in private life but I always rather liked him.

Okay, Os, here's one I'm sure you know: what was Stewart Granger's real name?

The more I think of it, the less likely Kirk becomes as a candidate for SOTI. I can see him in it, but something's just not right. But as to singing, remember that same year he sang

Got a whale of a tale to tell ya lads/
A whale of a tale it's tru-ue/
'Bout a flappin' fish and the girl I love/
On nights like this with the moon above/
Whale of a tale and it's all true/
I swear by my tatoo.


in Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea. He was really good.

Let's see Yma Sumac pull that one off!

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hobnob53 - you have actually caught me out on a SOTI question, well done my friend. I cannot find one date or venue of when SECRET OF THE INCAS premiered in London. I know for a fact that it didn't get a West End premiere, because 'The Times' doesn't have any listing it for it at all in August 1954. SECRET OF THE INCAS went on general release in Great Britain on 9 August 1954, but I think it actually premiered at the Regent cinema, Brighton, on 29 July. That is the earliest date I have for it in this country.

SOTI played on four occasions in my hometown Lincoln over a nine year period. I was a month short of my second birthday when the movie was initially screened on Monday 30 August 1954 at the Savoy cinema. My local newspaper 'Lincolnshire Echo' calls Heston "Charles" in the advert, which always made me angry seeing his name misspelt as a kid. The Paulette Goddard thriller THE STRANGER CAME HOME was the co-feature. The paper also reports what was showing on the A.B.C. MINORS PROGRAMME on the following Saturday, which I joined three years later when I was a five-year old, with my older sisters. There was a couple of cartoons, something called RADAR SECRET SERVICE, plus episode 2 of the kids serial ATOM MAN v SUPERMAN. In capital letters the 'Echo' proudly advertises UNCLE ARTHUR AT THE MIGHTY ORGAN, which was a lot more innocent than it reads today! A guy dressed like a TOP HAT extra suddenly used to appear slowly rising from the pits cheerfully playing his organ.

SECRET OF THE INCAS got quite a big write-up in the 'Echo', but the main review was for RIVER OF NO RETURN, which the paper reported: "Put Marilyn Monroe in Cinemascope and Technicolor and you get a box-office attraction. A packed Ritz last night proved it." I wonder how many Lincolnians went to see Chuck in Cuzco when Marilyn was the main opposition at the Ritz? At the Regal that week in 1954 DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK was playing and the Disney feature THE LIVING DESERT was at the Grand. An old Rex Allen western called REDWOOD FOREST TRAIL was playing at the Exchange cinema. I wonder if prints of that still exist?

hobnob53, re: my "obsessive" behaviour. I have to own up to it I'm afraid. Whenever I get interested in any subject I have to find out everthing about it, no matter what. My wife and kids used to call me Rainman because I can remember obscure dates and trivia. There was a guy on American television that was always impersonating Charlton Heston in SOYLENT GREEN called Phil Hartmann, and here is some more useless trivia for you. The day SECRET OF THE INCAS premiered in New York, the five year old Hartman had exactlly 44 years to live.

I wish the Victoria cinema in New York was still standing. That giant lump of plastic lego-land in it's place just hasn't got any character. I hate to see old cinemas flattened. I was heart-broken when my favourite flea-pit The Regal was demolished in 1966 to make way for a Littlewoods store. I went to the Regal every week in the early sixties because it was so cheap to get in and it showed 1950's double-features. I laughed my head off one Saturday evening after arriving home for my tea. My dad asked me what film had I just watched at the Regal, "It was a Randolph Scott western, Dad, called CANADIAN PACIFIC". As mum put our plates on the table, the tv announcer said "And now on BBC the Saturday Night Western, Randolph Scott stars in CANADIAN PACIFIC". My Irish parents said in virtual unison what an "eejit they had reared" spending his pocket money on a film that was on the telly the same night! We all had a good laugh about it - happy days!

I watched SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS last night and the Victoria cinema is in it, so well done hobnob. I couldn't make out what movie was playing though.

PS: Happy Saint Patrick's Day to SOTI fans. I'm Irish, and I know that you, hob, and Oswald have Irish surnames, so lets all have a spiritual pint of Guinness together. Three of the cast of SOTI had Irish parents: Thomas Mitchell, Glenda Farrell and Marion Ross.

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Happy St. Paddy's day to you as well James. Yes, there are Irish on both sides of my family - which is to be expected, Liverpool being the unofficial capital of Ireland, no less.
If it's a toss-up between "Secret of the Incas" and "River of no return" I would easily plump for the Heston flick. RONR may have the delights of Marilyn but the studio shots of them going down the river are pathetic. You can almost see stage hands throwing buckets of water at them. I never thought Hartmann was any good as Heston in "Soylent Green". Some people seem to laugh at anything!

"Sweet smell of success" is a stinker. What an over-praised load of codswallop. Burt Lancaster has never been more wooden, especially when he says "Match me Sidney". He seemed to fancy his sister to me to me, which doesn't make for ideal entertainment in my book.

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I liked it Os. Tony Curtis was great in it. Burt Lancaster's character was based on Walter Winchell, the guy who started that rumour about Yma Sumac really being Amy Camus. I wish Lancaster's performance had had a bit more humour in it though. How about him saying to Curtis "Scratch me Sidney!"

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You lost me with that last line Jimbo. Tony Curtis was never great in anything. He only made about four good movies - his best performance was when he mimicked his idol Cary Grant in SLIH.

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I hope TRAPEZE is one of the four, but I think he made far more than you say Oswald.

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Rounding up, in the spirit of Rex Allen, the preceding exchanges.... All of this is for both of you, Os and James, but divided according to who said what, with however some overlap. There will be a test afterward.

JAMES:

First, what's with this recent trend of yours calling me "hobnob53", so formally? That's the sort of salutation I'd expect to get from someone who's never replied to me before. You don't call Os "oswaldshotkennedy". I'm hurt!

More importantly, I can't believe I've asked a SOTI question to which you have no answer. Now, I'm wondering whether the film might have had its UK premiere in Brighton on July 29 and not in London earlier. I mean, Machu Picchu is sort of a rock, and Brighton is known for a sort of a rock.... Okay, in any case, maybe there was no London showing until the film went into general release in August. Have you ever found a cinema or dates when it was playing in the capital, even if only in August?

Interesting to see the mix of flicks playing in cinemas in Lincoln that summer of '54. I didn't at first recognize the Paulette Goddard film you mentioned (actually called A Stranger Came Home, not "The") because it had a different title in the US (The Unholy Four), a typical practice of the time for films chugging both ways across the Atlantic, as you know. Its co-star was William Sylvester, an American who worked in Britain for 20 years or so before going home, the co-star of one of my favorite monster films, Gorgo in 1961. I also know the serials you mentioned, Atom Man vs. Superman and Radar Secret Service, among the last serials ever made, and mostly fun.

I can see the battle at the box office between River of No Return and SOTI, and frankly, I'm sure more people went to see RONR first. I saw it again recently and it's okay but was never anything great, except for the scenery of the Canadian Rockies. (Os, you're right about the rafting close-ups looking like the crew was throwing buckets of water on the actors, which is of course exactly what was going on. Did you think they'd tie a CinemaScope camera to the front of the real raft, and shoot Mitchum and Monroe and Tommy Rettig on it getting drowned?!) But I find the combination of other features a bit odd. Drums Along the Mohawk, a then-15-year-old movie, with The Living Desert, initially released just the year before?

Loved your story about Canadian Pacific. In 1966 my high school held a fund-raiser at which the attraction was a showing of The Hustler -- two days before it ran on network television. In those days, though, the TV showing would have been pan & scan. I never knew whether the school's print was p&s or 'Scope. Most people back then weren't clued into such niceties.

But I wanted to check out the Rex Allen western you mentioned, Redwood Forest Trail. Allen was signed with Republic Pictures, and indeed the film was made by Republic, released in 1950, so that was another slow-crosser. The Republic library seems to be intact, so I was pretty sure this film would still be around, and indeed I found it's supposed be on DVD, at least here in the States, though I suspect it's out of print. (Republic's library is now owned by Paramount, which has leased it to Olive Films.) Nevertheless, I went on Amazon to see if some DVD still existed. None does, but I had to share what popped up in its stead: a workout DVD called Nude Trails -- Redwood Forest with Madison Page! Apparently this is a video you're supposed to run while working out, the incentive being that the longer you work out the more items of clothing you see Miss Page (who is a gorgeous blond) discard. Evidently she's seen running along trails in California's redwood forest, and about every 5 minutes she tosses off another bit of clothing. If you're a good boy and finish the workout you get to watch five minutes of her totally nude, lying out and stretching in the sun. This was but one of several advertised nude videos to help you get chores done, including Nude Housecleaning -- Top to Bottom, plus a collection called Pure Nude Yoga with subtitles such as Ocean Goddess, Zen Garden Goddess and Worship the Sun. Thankfully, none of these features a nude Rex Allen.

Poor Rex! Born December 31, 1920, so he had to wait all year for his birthday, and then he died December 17, 1999 -- 14 days before his birthday, and 15 days before the 2000s. But the manner of his death was also deplorable: he suffered a massive heart attack and collapsed in the driveway of his home near Tuscon, Arizona, and then was run over by his assistant when he came to help him! I think that's what they call Last Aid.

Offhand I don't recall seeing Phil Hartmann imitating Charles Heston in Soylent Green, though something nags at me that I did. I disagree with you, Os -- I liked Phil Hartmann very much, thought he was quite funny. He also did a great Frank Sinatra, among others. He had a terrible end from that nutjob woman he was married to (who killed herself a few hours after shooting him in his sleep), and was genuinely mourned by his fellow performers over here. I still think humor does not travel well between our countries. Most of the British performers I've seen on TV in the UK (who are unknown outside Britain) I find crashingly silly and unamusing in the extreme, with a few exceptions. I'm sure the reverse is equally true. As for Phil, the fact that it was 44 years to the day after the premiere of SOTI in NYC is too far off to be of much interest, I'm afraid, James. May 28, 1954 was also the 1st birthday of an old girlfriend of mine...amazing! It was also just one day before John F. Kennedy turned 37...for the last time!! Os, I'm sure you'll appreciate that irony.

I had a feeling the Victoria might be in Sweet Smell of Success. I'll have to look at it myself to see. As to which....

OSWALD:

I have to side with James about both that film and Tony Curtis (the latter, up to a point). It took me a while to really get into SSOS but it's actually quite good. The only thing I dislike about it is the "break up my sister's romance" angle, which is trite and very boring. (Also Susan Harrison was very poor as the sister.) This not-inconsiderable criticism aside, the movie does capture the seedy side of the old press agent scene in NYC (now long gone). I think Lancaster and Curtis were both very good, Curtis especially, and I don't agree that Lancaster said his line, "Match me, Sidney" stiffly or badly at all. Quite the contrary: I think he's brilliantly sinister and frightening when he says that. I also thought the choice of director, Alexander MacKendrick, to be an extremely odd one (a Scotsman, though born in Boston, known for comedy?), but he did a very good job. It was based on Walter Winchell, as James said, who did many worse things than start the Amy Camus rumor. He could be a vicious mother. He was one of the most famous newspaper columnists and radio personalities of the 30s and 40s but by the 50s his power was on the wain, probably why they felt they could surreptitiously attack him in SSOS. He had a slight revival in popularity when he was hired to narrate the TV series The Untouchables from 1959-1963, but his influence ended for good after his longtime paper, The New York Mirror, a tabloid, folded following the crippling New York newspaper strike of 1963.

I thought Tony Curtis could be a very good actor when given good material. Too often he was in routine comedies and action films. He wasn't bad in them but they didn't give him much of a showcase. He did more than four good films, though some of these were ones in which he only played a bit role early in his career (such as the excellent western Winchester '73). His best films where he was a star include Houdini, Trapeze, SSOS, The Defiant Ones (his only Oscar nomination), SLIH, Operation Petticoat, Spartacus (though I wasn't overly impressed with him in that), and The Boston Strangler. I was never a huge fan of his but liked him all right. Hey, he had a cool daughter -- not terribly pretty, but sexy, great body, and apparently very nice. (And Charles Heston appeared in one of her films. Oh my God!!!)

But Os -- what's with you comment about Lancaster's character in SSOS, cut and pasted verbatim here: "He seemed to fancy his sister to me to me, which doesn't make for ideal entertainment in my book." (Italics added.)

"He seemed to fancy his sister to me to me"? Hmmm.... Of course, literally what you're saying is that, as far as you can see, Lancaster fancied his sister over you. Did you and Burt have a thing, there, Os? Was there some reason you'd expect him to fancy you over his own sister? This board gets weirder and weirder.

THAT SAINT PATRICK'S DAY QUAFF.....

Well now, umm-hmm, 'tis a day past, isn't it lads, it is, it is an' more, and Oi've nivver been one t' take a shoine to the Guinness meself. But th' ol' lady here, she once worked fer the Charman o' th' Board o' Guinness, kin ya believe the luck? Used t' hafta go round to all the poobs and check to make sartin they was displayin' all the company dribble they'd been sent for the Grand Day, all over London and even soamtimes t' Dooblin. Knew everybody in the brewery there, too. Explained the whole bit abote the "parfect pour" in draftin' the shtuff. So's if ye don't moind, Oi'd batter be bringin' her into any toastin' to the day...even tho' she ain't got enough Oirish in 'er blood to doy the Liffey a pale green!

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Hi hob - back to informalities.
It is interesting to note that the highest grossing film in British cinemas in 1954 was the Dirk Bogarde comedy DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE, it slaughtered every other film released that year, but has only got one post on the message boards! Regarding the film that supported SECRET OF THE INCAS. It was always called THE STRANGER CAME HOME, not beginning with 'A'. Even that months edition of Monthly Film Bulletin reviews it with title 'The' at the beginning.

I actually watched CANADIAN PACIFIC again that evening on the BBC even though I had just paid to see it that afternoon at the Regal. That was the first time I noticed how much is missing from a movie when it is shown on television. Years later when BEN-HUR had its tv premiere I was shocked at how much was chopped on the small screen compared to my numerous cinema viewings of it. It is actualy pointless watching BEN-HUR when it is shown on the telly - you are only seeing a third of the picture!

That workout DVD called Nude Trails -- Redwood Forest with Madison Page sounds much more interesting than the Rex Allen western!
It is a shame what hapened to Rex Allen, as a trivia buff I am thankful for that information, hob. It was most interesting.

Did you watch SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS last night, if so did you manage to see what movie was showing at the Victoria cinema on Broadway?

I loved the last paragraph hob, as one of the sons of Erin, I would like to wish top of the morning to yee!

Here is a cropped photo of SECRET OF THE INCAS playing at the Victoria https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbJ2gC_CcAAGI9M.jpg:large

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Oh, I know how big Doctor in the House was in the UK. Kenneth More got I believe his second BAFTA nomination as Best Actor for it even though Dirk was the nominal star. That film did very well in the US too, though the sequels did much less business over here. Genevieve was also big in the US (released here in 1954) after being one of, if not the, top-grossing film in Britain in 1953. I've never been to the IMDb board for DITH and I am shocked that there's only one post there! I have been to the Genevieve board and there were a few threads there as I recall.

I think the biggest-grossing film in the US in 1954 was On the Waterfront but I might easily be wrong. The Caine Mutiny and Them! were also huge. It would be interesting to get the grosses and compare both countries' tastes!

I re-checked several source regarding this little film A/The Stranger Came Home. IMDb says "The", as do Halliwell and Katz, while Maltin and wikipedia say "A". On the weight of evidence I'll go with "The". (I'd forgotten I actually have this film on a DVD of Hammer Noir but it's one I haven't watched yet. But the DVD cover just calls it by its American title The Unholy Four.) This is not the first time such a problem has cropped up concerning articles or prepositions in the title of a film. Is the ultra-cheap 1956 British sci-fi opus Fire Maidens of Outer Space or from? I have the film and it says "of", which is logical for the plot (the five bozos fly to the Jovian moon where the titular maidens reside), but some insist they've seen a print saying "from", and posters for the film give both. On such matters do the fate of nations pivot. I understand it was precisely an argument over Fire Maidens that brought down the Ukrainian government...made all the more senseless because in Ukrainian and Russian "of" and "from" are the same word. People!

I haven't watched Sweet Smell of Success yet. It'll probably be a while before I get around to doing so. But I will check for the Victoria.

I'm a bit mystified by your saying how much of Canadian Pacific was lost on TV vs. the cinema. It was made in 1949 and so was not a widescreen film. Of course, even in films shot in a 1.37:1 aspect ratio some bits of the picture are lost. Years ago in the US the government actually changed its broadcast regulations to compel channels to show more of a picture on the screen than they had been doing, so some portions at the top and bottom that were previously cut off started showing up. Still, such losses were miniscule compared to the wholesale loss of half or more of a picture via the panning and scanning of widescreen movies. (Do you know the people who invented that method got an honorary Academy Award in 1961 for their development?) Early CinemaScope films (1953-1955) using stereophonic magnetic sound were shot at an a.r. of 2.55:1, but with the switch to optical sound in 1955 the a.r. was reduced somewhat to the standard 2.35:1, later reproduced by Panavision and others. But you're absolutely right about how bad Ben-Hur looks when cropped for a "full screen" TV presentation. That was shot at an a.r. of 2.66:1, meaning it's two and two-thirds times wider than high, so in a "full screen" TV broadcast it's not only a jumble of crowded images with 60% or more of the picture gone, it's also grainy and indistinct, an unavoidable by-product of zooming into the film when making a p&s dupe for television. Not many films were shot at that wide an a.r. (The Great Escape was another) but even standard 'Scope films look grainy, quite apart from missing half their picture.

I remember the great joy and modest awe I felt in the early 90s when I first saw a bunch of films I grew up watching in p&s versions on TV in the 60s and 70s in their widescreen format for the first time. The thing that instantly -- instantly -- leaped out at me was not their width or the portions of each frame I'd previously missed, but the clarity of the picture. You never realize how grainy and indistinct pan & scan images are until you finally see a film properly for the first time. Today, of course, it's common practice to broadcast films letterboxed, and of course most DVDs are widescreen too. But Canadian Pacific wasn't a widescreen film, so you must have just been losing images around the edges -- which can be blatant enough.

You know of what they call "windowboxing" I assume? It's a method used on some DVDs for films shot in a standard 1.37:1 aspect ratio, whereby the original image is reproduced by having not just "black bars" at the top and bottom of the screen (as in letterboxing) but slightly at the sides as well. This insures you get all the picture, not losing even the tiniest bits at edges. Criterion has done this on some of its releases in the US, such as 49th Parallel. I was actually able to get a supposed "goof" removed on that film's site because the windowboxed edition proved that the claimed goof (the date at the bottom of a calendar) did not exist.

I've had a lot of arguments with people about letterboxing. They simply can't stand the black areas atop and below and insist on so-called full-screen prints. They prefer a less-clear image and loss of a portion of the picture to having images smaller and with black "bars" at the top and bottom. I've always thought the studios make a huge mistake calling those areas "bars". The word makes it sound as if some of the picture is being blocked from view -- being barred. It's an improper word technically too. I always thought of it as the screen onto which a film is being projected. But some people simply don't get it and cinematically prefer to lead lives of quiet deprivation!

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Take a look at this Mormon list of the biggest U.S. box-office movies, hob. You will be pleased to learn that WHITE CHRISTMAS was numero uno in 1954.

http://www.ldsfilm.com/misc/lds_Top5_boxoffice.html

The article also claims that the Voice of God in THE TEN COMMANDMENTS wasn't spoken by Charlton Heston but Delos Jewkes! read this cut and paste edit-

Latter-day Saint actor Delos Jewkes provided the voice of God for the film. In 1956 DeMille (the film's director) spoke at a BYU commencement, where in the midst of his talk he turned to Pres. McKay and said, "David McKay, almost thou pursuadest me to be a Mormon." DeMille notes in his autobiography that one of the reasons he decided to premiere "The Ten Commandments" in Salt Lake City was so that he could spend some time with his good friend David McKay. Arnold Friberg was a costume designer and assistant art director for this movie. Friberg is well known to Latter-day Saints because he painted the muscular paintings which appeared in the missionary editions of the Book of Mormon for dozens of years.

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Bloody hell! I don't rate the top 5 most popular films at American cinemas in 1954. None of them are anywhere near as good as "Secret of the Incas" or "The Naked Jungle", or even "River of no return" for that matter.
The two James Stewart films are passable at best, I find "Rear Window" to be totally theatrical and completely ridiculous. I'll pass on "White Christmas" too, it's total nonsense, and who the hell wants to see Bogey go nuts? I don't -ever again!
If these were the top five movies of 1954 I'll start eating my wife's Yorkshire's Puddings again!

1 White Christmas
2 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
3 Rear Window
4 The Caine Mutiny
5 The Glenn Miller Story



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I take it Os's list is the Mormon one JB provided a link to. (Bloody Mormons! Must they make lists of everything? They're already making unauthorized baptisms of the dead.)

I disagree about Rear Window -- theatrical, yes, but then Hitchcock almost always is -- it was his style. I also very much like The Caine Mutiny and somewhat less so, 20,0000 LUTS. Glenn Miller? Best target the RAF ever hit during the war was unloading their bombs over the channel with the real Miller's plane on an unauthorized route underneath. The movie is typical Hollywood fiction. I only regret June Allyson wasn't on the plane with him. As for White Christmas, we've exhausted our quota of slanders on that one.

1954 wasn't a bad year for movies. Executive Suite, Sabrina, The High and the Mighty, On the Waterfront, A Star is Born, The Country Girl, Them!, The Barefoot Contessa, not to mention Killers From Space.

David McKay was the last progressive president of the LDS Church. McKay is a common name in Utah. But I remember seeing in some book about American history or culture or lifestyles, something of that nature (I have it someplace), a photograph taken in Salt Lake City on a summer evening in 1956, showing lots of cars parked in a drive-in, the Wasatch Mountains in the background, while up on the screen the film being shown is The Ten Commandments...the photo snapped at the parting of the Red Sea.

I understand afterward the patrons were reluctant to leave for home since, of course, parting is such sweet sorrow. For the drive-in's owner, on the other hand, a packed lot brought the sweet smell of success.

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Out of this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_films_of_1954 my top ten would be as follows-
1. SECRET OF THE INCAS
2. THE NAKED JUNGLE
3. VALLEY OF THE KINGS
4. THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON
5. GREEN FIRE
6. THEM!
7. DANGEROUS MISSION
8. SILVER LODE
9. ON THE WATERFRONT
10. DIAL M FOR MURDER

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Before looking at your post, James, I went back and added another title to my previous list, one I can't believe I forgot since it's one of my favorites, Executive Suite. Then I saw your post, so clicked the link and read over the releases. More on that in a moment.

What strikes me about your list is -- surprise! -- the number of movies dealing with exploration, or being off in wild places, you have on it: Secret of the Incas, obviously, but also The Naked Jungle, Creature From the Black Lagoon, Green Fire, Valley of the Kings, as well as two other "outdoor adventure" films, Dangerous Mission and Silver Lode. Such films account for 7 of your top 10, and four of those are "jungle" films. Do I detect a theme here? (How come you didn't add the jungle-set Jivaro -- which I'm not sure I recall seeing on the wiki list, though it was 1954?) To me the most curious curio on your list is Dangerous Mission, a small, odd little picture that I also like but isn't much on people's radar. I guess Killers From Space (also from RKO) is my riposte to that choice!

My top ten of 1954 -- confined to the wikipedia list -- would be (with several close runners-up):

Executive Suite
Them!
The Naked Jungle
The Caine Mutiny
Rear Window
Killers From Space
The High and the Mighty
Dial M for Murder
Woman's World
Night People


However, this is from a list containing only American films. If I could pick my top ten from anywhere I'd have to insert two Japanese releases of 1954, Gojira/Godzilla and Seven Samurai. Gojira would be #2. No, this is not the "Americanized" or "international" version of the film, with Raymond Burr in American-made inserts, the film cut and reedited into Godzilla, King of the Monsters! (1956). I'm talking about the original Japanese picture, a very different film.

As you can see, I like sci-fi, action and good talk.

The wiki list is missing one film I know of -- Riders to the Stars, from Ivan Tors, whose other 1954 film Gog is on the list. This may be because it was copyrighted in 1953, but it was released in January 1954, which is what counts. The list also includes Robinson Crusoe, but I'd dispute this inclusion because, first, it wasn't an American film (it was Mexican), and second, it was released in 1952; its US release was '54.

And, what the hell, I'm sorry I couldn't squeeze in as favorites (as opposed to "best") On the Waterfront, A Star is Born, Vera Cruz, The Raid, Gog, Riders to the Stars, His Majesty O'Keefe and, yes, God forgive me, Secret of the Incas!

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hob, I like the fact that we both like three out of the 1954 top ten Wiki list. I'm also very surprised that you misspelt the title of that wonderful western SILVER LODE, that's not like you at all!
The reason why I omitted JIVARO from my list is because I have never seen it. Is it any good, hob?
ON THE WATERFRONT is excellent, and I particularly liked seeing Abe Simon, Tami Mauriello and Two Ton Tony Galento, three old Joe Louis opponents, as 'heavies'. My nephew, like me a former boxer, can doing amazing word-for-word impersonations of some of the scenes in this movie.
I love DIAL M FOR MURDER, its my third favourite Hitchcock film - Ray Milland is splended in it. Milland came to Lincoln and hated the Cathedral bells chiming every 15 minutes while he was in his hotel trying to sleep after a very late night. Oh, and Grace Kelly is in another one on the list, GREEN FIRE, in which Stewart Granger impersonates Chuck Heston again. What a great role that would have been for Heston. I also wish Chuck had played the lead in VALLEY OF THE KINGS as well, but Taylor was okay in it.

I like your list hob, but I confess to having never even heard of KILLERS FROM SPACE!

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Gosh, I guess I was in just too much of a rush to load my words onto the page to pay sufficient heed to the mother lode of vocabulary we have at our disposal. My error did come across as rather scatological. I've gone back and corrected it. Thank you, James, particularly for saying that such a mistake is unlike me. If you only knew!

I'm so grateful that I won't even comment on the fact that you misspelled "misspelt"!

Silver Lode is an offbeat western, with its unsubtle political overtones. I had barely heard of it until a few years ago and had no idea what it was about. Good choice for the ten Faves of '54!

Jivaro is set in the Amazon jungle, where a bunch of treasure-seekers run across the Jivaro headhunters. It was made by the "Dollar Bills", the cost-conscious team of William Pine and William Thomas, who later got slightly bigger budgets and made the Heston film The Far Horizons. Shot on the Paramount back lot but looks reasonable enough. Its stars are Fernando Lamas, Rhonda Fleming, Brian Keith, Lon Chaney, Jr. and Richard Denning. It's not really all that good but not terrible, enjoyable enough after a slow start, with a few good moments. It's one of those films I first saw around age 8 or 9 that made an impression. I hadn't seen it in years but recently bought it from the same guy from whom I bought my DVDs of SOTI!

One of my interests in On the Waterfront is a quick, rather amazing, and completely coincidental shot the film just happened to catch. Toward the end, when Terry (Marlon Brando) is on the roof of his apartment building after he's found the kid has killed all his pigeons, he's looking out across toward the Hudson River while Evie (Eva Marie Saint) tells him he should move away. There's a shot lasting about 4 or 5 seconds showing what Brando is looking at, and we see an ocean liner heading down the river and out to sea. The vessel is the Italian luxury liner Andrea Doria, two years before she was struck by the Swedish ship Stockholm and sank. I realized this about twenty years ago and had one of my dearest friends, a man who was the world's leading expert on ocean liners (really), confirm my sighting for me.

Have you ever seen or read the play Dial M for Murder? It's a bit different than the movie, and in my opinion the film is superior. Frederick Knott wrote both, so it's not untrue to the play.

I take great exception to your assertion that in Green Fire Stewart Granger "impersonates" Charlton Heston -- let alone "again". If anyone impersonated anyone, it was the other way around. Granger got there first -- in King Solomon's Mines and other adventure films. He was always being typecast as great white hunters, adventurers, and the like, long before Heston got any such roles, and he played many more of them. Just last week Os and I had an exchange about possible alternate actors for SOTI, and I said Granger was the only person I could see in that role. Os agreed with me. I can see Heston in either Green Fire or Valley of the Kings (a film I'm not terribly fond of), though frankly I think the latter picture was better suited to Taylor than to either Heston or Granger. But of course any switch of actors was highly unlikely, since both GF and VOTK were MGM films using MGM contract players, whereas Heston was of course at Paramount.

Speaking of Green Fire, the night Grace Kelly died an American news program called Nightline scrambled to find people to comment on her, and the lone former co-star they could get in time was Stewart Granger. Granger recalled that he had been invited to attend a charity event in Grace's hometown of Philadelphia a few years before, at which they screened some of her films, including GF. Grace only made 11 films, and it's fair to say that Green Fire was the least known and least heralded. Granger said that after the showing, Grace came over to him and said, "You know, Jim, that wasn't a bad film at all." Granger said he replied, "No, it wasn't," whereupon Grace said, "Maybe we could do another one someday." Of course, both knew such a thing would never happen, but it was a nice thought. My favorite actor in that film, though, is Paul Douglas.

Ah, Killers From Space. Another very low-budget sci-fi film from my childhood that scared me then and which I've loved ever since. The plane carrying an American scientist monitoring an above-ground A-bomb test in Nevada crashes and he's presumed killed. A few days later he shows up at the base unscathed. He then sets about trying to steal secret data while being plagued by nightmares of two huge eyes looking at him. After a car accident he's given truth serum where he says that a race of malevolent aliens from the planet Astron-Delta are hiding underground, tapping the energy from our atomic blasts and building an army of giant mutated animals that will kill off mankind, then in turn be killed by the aliens so they can settle here. The aliens have developed huge eyes to combat the growing darkness on their home planet, where their sun is about to expire. The scientist figures out a way to blow them up and after a chase manages to do so. Oh, should I have said, "spoiler alert"?

This ultracheap little flick had a pretty decent cast, considering, headed by Peter Graves. It was directed by W. Lee Wilder, older brother of Billy. W. Lee (real name: Willy) had emigrated to the U.S. ten years before his brother and become a wealthy manufacturer of ladies' gloves (he lived not far from where I do now). After his brother became famous in Hollywood, Willy sold his business, moved to California around 1944 and started making B pictures, which got cheaper as time went on. He also re-styled himself "W. Lee". Apparently his output at the lower end of the Hollywood spectrum distressed his brother at the top echelon, and the two rarely spoke. W. Lee had his revenge for Billy's real or imagined slights, however. Soon after the release of Billy's Stalag 17, Willy grabbed Graves -- who of course had had a major role in Stalag -- to star in Killers From Space. Then, later in 1954, W. Lee made another cheap movie called The Snow Creature, about an expedition to the Himalayas that finds the abominable snowman (a tall guy in a fuzzy parka never seen except in shadows), gets permission from the Nepalese authorities (all of whom speak Japanese) to transport the creature back to Los Angeles in a refrigerated phone booth, where, while customs officials debate whether he should be classified as an animal or freight, he escapes, heads for the sewers and is finally gunned down by policemen who afterward laugh about it. (It's not as good as it sounds.) Anyway, the name W. Lee used for the character of the police officer who leads the chase for Snowy was...Lieutenant Dunbar -- the name of the officer in Stalag 17 (Don Taylor) whom the POWs try to spring at the end!

Peter Graves took his starring role in KFS well, though. For about 15 years starting in 1988, Graves hosted a nightly program on the A&E cable network called Biography, where they ran bios of famous people. For the show's tenth anniversary in 1998, they did a bio of Graves himself, and when I watched it I joked to myself about whether they'd talk about Killers From Space. Well, damned if they didn't! They showed several scenes form the movie -- with the bug-eyed aliens (apparently ping-pong balls cut in half, with eyes drawn on them and worn by the actors), wearing black outfits with striped school-guard-crossing bands around their waists -- then cut to Graves laughing about it. The reason? As Graves said, after nearly 50 years in Hollywood, having appeared in dozens of movies and TV shows, he still received more fan mail for Killers than for anything else he'd ever done -- more than for Stalag 17, more than for Mission Impossible, more than for Airplane!, more than for almost everything he'd done put together. (And he'd done other popular low-budget sci-fi films as well.) As he said, well, it's better to be remembered for something than not to be remembered at all. Most of the actors who made such low-budget films found the same thing -- far from disappearing and being forgotten, such films are what most of their fans best remember and like them for.

It's now available on DVD in the UK in a fair print for a few quid. Marvelous movie -- it definitely has its moments!

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Hey hob, regarding Grace Kelly and Stewart Granger. I was reading a book in a charity shop a couple of months ago and it mentioned "Green Fire." It stated that Grace Kelly hated Granger with a vengeance, she went on to say what an arrogant, pig-headed oaf he was, and that she couldn't wait for filming to end on the picture. I have no idea what the book was called, I think it was on the 1950's, and I only browsed the entertainment section of it. I wished I had bought it now, but the price of it was too inflated for me.

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I'm not surprised. Granger had a bad rep back in his heyday for being arrogant and full of himself. He and James Mason were the two biggest male movie stars in Britain in the late 40s and neither made any secret of the fact that their sole goal was to get out of grim postwar England and go to America, where they could make lots of money, live in a sunny place with no rationing, and become international stars -- Granger in particular, who never met a mirror he didn't like. Jean Simmons, to whom he was married from 1950-1960, never sounded charitable about him whenever she found herself compelled to mention him in later years. I remember her in an interview in the early 80s when she was forced, because of her story, to name the man to whom she was married when she came to America, uttering it hesitatingly, in clipped, disdainful tones, calling him "Mr. Granger" in a very formal, almost spiteful, way.

I know I mentioned this and I think we settled it, but to reiterate, the reason Grace called Granger "Jim" is because his real name was James Stewart, a name already taken when he got started professionally.

Anyway, people mellow after many years, I guess. Granger certainly spoke lovingly of Grace after her death, not that I would have expected otherwise. Or, as his co-stars may have said about Stewart Granger, "Time wounds all heels."

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Hob, you are a remarkable salesman. After reading your excellent post I now want to see KILLERS FROM SPACE, you sold it to me with that great write-up!

I'm so grateful that I won't even comment on the fact that you misspelled "misspelt"!

I spelt 'misspelt' the same way that it is in my dictionary, hob!

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I'm dyslectic - I had a misspelt childhood.


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Funny about that, Os. I think a young LHO exhibited the same symptoms.

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I wouldn't kill anyone just to see a Van Heflin film though, hob.

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Oh, I don't know, Os. You know Lee -- anything to save 65Β’ on a movie ticket!

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Oh my God, James!! You're really going to watch Killers From Space?! Okay, but just remember, while I love it as vintage 50s sci-fi despite (really because of) its weaknesses (plus it does have some cool plot aspects), most people give it very poor reviews. But then remember Peter Graves's fans loved it above all his other work, so what do reviewers know?

I only wish there were a really good DVD of it. Oddly, there was an excellent VHS, but this never made it to disc. The UK DVD seems to be the same print used by Alpha Video here in the States.

You might want to check out its IMDb board for some useful insights. I haven't been there for quite a while, but there should still be some posts from yours truly on it. Also check out the goofs section to enhance your viewing pleasure.

Oh, I bet your dictionary tells you to spell color "colour", marvelous "marvellous", organization "organisation", license "licence", program "programme" and many other such things, so plainly any objective reader can see it's sorely in need of repair!

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Lee spent his last cent in the coke vending machine at the TSBD remember.

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No, he had enough to pay for the taxi he took away from the scene -- evidently the first taxi ride of his life, if you can believe it (also his last) -- plus he had enough money for bus fare once he left the taxi. He had a little with him after leaving the TSBD. He ducked into the theater without paying because he had the opportunity to do so more than because he didn't have the price of a ticket, though by then he might not have had much money left.

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Oswald apparently had $17 on his person when arrested by the Dallas police. Just think, if he had only paid to get in to see those terrible movies starring Van Heflin and Audie Murphy he might have got away with it for a bit longer - until he had thought of a plan, anyway. Whenever I sneaked into the pictures in the 60's I never had 30 policemen drag me outside, beating me up, and screaming "kill the president, will ya?"

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Yeah, well, only because you didn't have a president!

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Watch this space, when Liz goes to her great throne in the sky, anything could happen in our little island.

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You planning on being annexed by France?

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In four weeks time it will be the 60th anniversary of the SECRET OF THE INCAS world premiere at the Victoria Theater, 1547 Broadway, New York. Here is an atmospheric b/w photograph (cropped unfortunately) of my all-time favourite movie playing at the Victoria.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbJ2gC_CcAAGI9M.jpg:large

Those pigeon's great-grandchildren will star in another Heston movie a decade later!

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I take it the pigeons' descendants migrated to Italy for tax purposes? Or was it just for the better pasta?

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They were fans of Gina and Sophia, two of the loveliest birds I have ever seen, hob!

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And don't forget what Heston's "pet" name for Betty Hutton was in TGSOE:

Pigeon!

As I bill and coo.

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Hey hob - that's another feather in your cap, well done mate!

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Shucks, you could have just tweeted me, James.

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One more week, and SOTI is 60!!!!

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If I knew the exact time of its first showing, I could start a 168-hour countdown beginning today and set off fireworks in Times Square at the appointed hour next Wednesday. You guys will post bond, right?

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Of course we will hob, we're all as daft as a brush on this side of the pond.
One week, eh? I'll have to think of something special to celebrate this great event.

Can't you look up THE NEW YORK TIMES newspaper for 28 May 1954 in your local library? I would love to know the exact time SOTI started that day in New York, hob.

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THE POST-STANDARD, Syracuse, New York, Thursday, June 10, 1954.
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SEARCH FOR INCA TREASURE
"Secret of the Incas," with Charlton Heston, Robert Young, Nicole Maurey, Thomas Mitchell, Yma Sumac, Glenda Farrell, Michael Pate and Leon Askin. A Paramount picture in Technicolor. Searching for the golden treasure is a time-honored plot and as good a peg as any to hang up some excellent Technicolor scenes taken in Peru. In addition there is a fine cast topped by Charlton Heston as an American adventurer in Peru, who will lie and steal his way into and out of any deal. Keeping in line with the make-believe character of the plot is the entrance of the heroine, a beautiful refugee from the Iron Curtain. She is chased by the Rumanian consul who has a private plane-just what Heston has been dreaming of stealing so that he can get to his treasure in the high Andes.
FEMININE LEAD
Nicole Maurey (last seen as Bing Crosby's leading lady in "Little Boy Lost") is a charming bit of femininity nice having around while flying to the Andes to find the golden Sunburst, legendary treasure of the Incas. Twentieth Century searching for loot is homewhat hampered by the fact that when they reach the tomb at Machu Picchu, high in the mountains, an archaeological expedition is already there representing three museums and the Peruvian government. Nevertheless, within the party there is Robert Young as the professor who discovers that Nicole is more fun than digging the crumbling ruins. The "running out of gas" story the two give the expedition is bad enough but their lies run even thinner as Thomas Mitchell reaches them. Also an American, he is a down-at-the-heels adventurer who has reached the end of his rope and will do anything to get his hands on the treasure.
FEMININE LEAD
Nicole Maurey (last seen as Bing Crosby's leading lady in "Little Boy Lost") is a charming bit of femininity nice having around while flying to the Andes to find the golden Sunburst, legendary treasure of the Incas. Twentieth Century searching for loot is homewhat hampered by the fact that when they reach the tomb at Machu Ficchu, high in the mountains, an archaeological expedition is already there representing three museums and the Peruvian government. Nevertheless, within the party there is Robert Young as the professor who discovers that Nicole is more fun than digging the crumbling ruins. The "running out of gas" story the two give the expedition is bad enough but their lies run even thinner as Thomas Mitchell reaches them. Also an American, he is a down-at-the-heels adventurer who has reached the end of his rope and will do anything to get his hands on the treasure.
SUMAC'S DEBUT
Yma Sumac, the five-octave singer (in Syracuse last season) makes her film debut. The Peruvian "extras' can hardly conceal their smirks as she dishes out a Brooklynish version of ancient Inca chants. Her Peruvian yodeling with undertones of the Cuban rumba, is entertaining, but don't confuse it with the genuine scenery and colorful costuming of the natives, and glimpses of those peculiar llamas!
A bit part is taken by Glenda Farrell and she really adds some pungent humor as the American Tourist with a roving eye. Best of all in the histrionics, however, is Heston, who manages a realistic transformation in character to his "engagement" present to his girl.

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/24311500/

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Wow James, you're far better at digging out these old reviews than Harry Steele is at finding Inca gold!

The Peruvian "extras' can hardly conceal their smirks as she dishes out a Brooklynish version of ancient Inca chants.

That review is an example of why I despise film critics so much (but not as much as I absolutely detest art critics). Did that "Post-Standard" movie critic really think that the citizens of Syracuse were really that dim that they couldn't differentiate between the Yma Sumac studio scenes and the footage that they shot on location of the Indians grinning?

Sumac didn't sound anything like a resident of Brooklyn, either, unless hobnob knows different. Answer me truthfully hob, have you ever heard a "Brooklynish" accent that sounded like Yma Sumac?

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No, not all the people born in Syracuse are "really dim."

Robert Henry De Niro, better known as Robert De Niro, Sr. was an American abstract expressionist painter and the father of actor Robert De Niro. For persons interested in trivia, of which two at least are residents of this board, Robert De Niro, Sr. died on the same day as he was born (May 3, 1922 – May 3, 1993).

Tom Cruise was also born in Syracuse.

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http://stuffnobodycaresabout.com/2013/06/07/old-new-york-in-photos-29/

ABOUT MRS. LESLIE replaced SECRET OF THE INCAS at the Victoria Theater on 27 June 1954, after SOTI finished it's month-long run. I wish the photographer had took some photos of the Victoria when SOTI played there, though - but it's nice to see what the cinema looked like back then, in the link above. If only the photographer had took some photos of Broadway a month earlier!

Do those photos bring back nostalgic memories, hob?

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I like these 1954 movie posters, including Secret of the Incas.

http://www.3dfilmarchive.com/the-first-year-of-widescreen

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Haddock, thanks for that link. I am a massive fan of old movie posters, too.
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/27716238/
This link is from an American newspaper, The Evening Standard, exactly sixty years ago today publicizing tomorrow's premiere of SECRET OF THE INCAS.

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Hollywood : Roundup By JIMMY FIDLER
HOLLYWOOD, May 28, 1954
Nicole Maurey, the red-headed French beauty, is Bing Crosby's recipe for dynamite. She's a combination of Rita Hayworth, Marlene Dietrich and the farmer's daughter says Bing. I'll add that these could be understatments, for Nicole possesses personality that doesn't melt quickly. Bing formed his impressions as he worked with her in "Little Boy Lost." I was ready to agree with him after an interview, just before the girl left Hollywood, for a personal appearance tour. Now, after evaluating her fine work in "Secret of the Incas," I say frankly, without reservation, that Miss Maurey is definitely on her way to stardom. She'll not have to travel much farther after moviegoers have seen her in the South American story in the role of a refugee from the Iron Curtain countries. So let's go behind the scenes on this girl. She was born in Paris and educated there. Her parents gave her dancing lessons early in her young life. I am told they had ambitions for their daughter to become a Pavlova. Being practical with Nicole, they saw to it that she learned English. That would aid a theatrical career, although the girl has no theatrical heritage. So in her teens her career actually sought her out. Before she hardly realized it, she was doing parts in stage plays as well as in pictures - all French, of course. Before she was twenty, was a favorite with moviegoers.
Bing Crosby in Paris takes credit for her discovery.
He had gone to Paris to locate an actress for the starring role in "Little Boy Lost." He took one look at Nicole and she was elected. Now, after appraising her Work in her most recent picture, I have no doubt as to her success in American films. She has what it takes - beauty, poise, personality and the will to succeed.

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James, in what city was "The Evening Standard" published?

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Happy 60th birthday to SECRET OF THE INCAS.
Another movie, much more celebrated than SOTI, opened in New York on 28 May 1954, Hitchcock's DIAL M FOR MURDER. "The New York Times" sent it's top film critic Bosley Crowther to review that, and somebody with the initials A.W. went to the Victoria Theater to have a peek at SOTI. Crowther liked the Grace Kelly movie, too, which is almost shocking (he seemed to slam everything he saw).

Dial M For Murder (1954)
May 29, 1954
' Dial M for Murder' Is Shown at Paramount
By BOSLEY CROWTHER
Published: May 29, 1954

THE elegant coils of murder drama that Frederick Knott contrived in his play, "Dial M for Murder," a recent favorite on the Broadway stage, are given a proper twisting in the transmission of that play onto film. In the pliant hands of Alfred Hitchcock, past master at the job of squeezing thrills, the coils twine with sleek and silken evil on the Paramount's screen.

Let's understand at the outset that Mr. Knott's one-set play is a difficult chunk of melodrama for an hour-and-three-quarters cinema. All of its critical action logically takes place in one room, and its considerable plot development must necessarily evolve from lots of talk.

The dark machinations of a London husband to get his wife bumped off and then, failing that, to twist the evidence so that it looks as though she willfully murdered the man who tried to murder her are matters of wicked rationalization rather than physical activity. The thrills come in following a succession of dawnings in people's minds.

But Mr. Hitchcock has presented this mental material on the screen with remarkable visual definition of developing intrigue and mood. His actors unfold the drama in their very appearances and, as the chic and malevolent plot thickens, so do their various attitudes.

This is a technical triumph that Mr. Hitchcock has achieved β€”the tensing of interest and excitement with just a handful of people in a room. It is one for which he needed good actors. He has themβ€”and the best of the lot is John Williams, late of the stage play, who is the detective who solves the sinister ruse.

Mr. Williams, a virtual stranger to movies, tosses knockouts with a flick of his mustache, a lifting of an eyebrow or a mild exclamation of "oh!" Wisely, of course, Mr. Hitchcock has worked him in close camera range. It is as thrilling as watching Native Dancer just to see Mr. Williams perform. Ray Milland as the machinating husband is excitingly effectual in using expression, too, and Grace Kelly does a nice job of acting the wife's bewilderment, terror and grief. Anthony Dawson, also from the stage play, has the manners and appearance of a snake as the hired murderer. Robert Cummings is negative as a fiction-writing friend.

Excellent color and color combinations add to the flow and variety of the drama's moods. Shot for 3-D but offered here in "standard," the film is vividly pictorial right straight through.



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If I may be permitted to steal another film's title for present purposes!









(That's for Kurt Katch.)

PS: I've been trying to find out who the critic "AW" was. I recall the initials but haven't been able to dope out his name. I have another resource that possibly might have the answer but unfortunately I can't get to it for another day or so. Will keep you posted, as it were.

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http://www.newspapers.com/image/55330050/

BROOKLYN EAGLE
Sat., May 29, 1954
By JANE CORBY

Charlton Heston Virile Star Of Peruvian Adventure Film
"Secret of the Incas," romantic melodrama, was filmed in the Andes and the backgrounds and the natives give a big assist to the reused plot.
A star who can bring a character to life on the screen and a fresh, exciting background can do a lot to invigorate a familiar type of adventure story, and that's what Charlton Heston and filming in the Andes have done for "Secret of the Incas" at the Victoria Theater. This Technicolor saga of a hunt for lost treasure is cheerful fare, flashing with the colours of the gay costumes of the Andes natives and bright with the blooms and lush foliage of the region.
Charlton Heston gives a virile performance as a fellow out to make a fast dollar on unwary tourists while scheming to grab a million-dollar diamond-studded sunburst, a relic of the ancient Incas, supposed to be still hidden in the tomb of a long dead Inca chief. This rather straightforward plan of his is both accelerated and complicated by the arrival of a refugee girl, Nicole Maurey, who has escaped from an Iron Curtain country without any kind of passport, but with considerable experience. The two team up, more or less accidentally, and are presently atop the mountain where the tomb is in process of exploration by scientific Robert Young and his aides, with an assortment of Peruvians in funny hats looking on, winding in long queues up and down the mountainside, and obliging with an occasional native dance.
The actual plot of the story, which has Heston getting the treasure and turning it over to the proper authorities, which is always done in treasure hunts of this kind, doesn't matter much. It's Heston, as a picturesquely shady character, who gives the film most of its verve. He doesn't get to wash his face or shave for three-quarters of the picture, and his clothes have seen hard wear, but he's a devil of a fellow with the ladies and has to keep brushing them off right and left.
Miss Maurey, French importation, is a neater, feminine counterpart of his type. While men of his dubious caliber are usually reformed by a girl as he is here, partially at least. It's an odd quirk of characterization in this film to give the girl a seamy background, too.
In addition to the natives girating and dancing among the boulders, the film presents Yma Sumac, famous Peruvian singer in three songs by Moises Vivanco, high, wild compositions called "Virgin of the Sun God," "Earthquake" and "High Andes." In Peruvian costume she's a brilliant addition to this slightly musical comedy department of the picture.
Of the others in the cast, Thomas Mitchell looks a little silly trying to outwit and outrun Charlton Heston in the race for the treasure. Robert Young is a bit oversusceptible as the aging archaeologist who falls for Miss Maurey at first sight, and Glenda Farrell, as a middle-aged tourist, is much too obvious in her entirely unrequited efforts to get Heston's attention.
"Secret of the Incas" would be no fun without Heston and the mighty Andes.

Times- 10.29, 12.27, 2.25, 4.22, 6.21, 8.19, 10.17, 12.15.

(Finally found out the time when SOTI premiered, hob. Took some digging though!)

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So it first ran at 10:29 AM. I have to say, the start times listed in that review are pretty weird -- :29, :27, :22, :21 past the hour. I don't recall ever seeing any any movie start times that didn't end in either a 5 or a 0. I wonder whether the theater management was actually that precise!

Anyway, James, a multiplicity of congratulations on digging that info out, to use an appropriate phrase.

Ah, the old Brooklyn Eagle. It was a legendary, longtime local paper, once the biggest afternoon paper in the U.S., and published from 1841 until January 1955, when it closed due to the effects of a prolonged strike. So it got its SOTI review in just in the nick of time. Its name was revived in an unrelated paper published beginning in 1996 but it's nothing like the original.

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No. I know of Uniontown but have never been there. It's way down in the southwestern corner of the state. I have driven on Interstate highways 76 and 70, which cross maybe 40 or 50 miles from the city, so I guess I've come close!

There are also Uniontowns in the states of Maryland, Ohio, Alabama, Kentucky, Missouri and Kansas. Popular name, I suppose.

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I love them old "Brooklyn Eagle's," hob, especially the movie reviews. Did you notice the little side-bar next to the SOTI review?

ATTENTION THEATREGOERS!
If you wish to keep theatre prices at present levels, you must assist in defeating the proposed 5 percent tax on amusements.
Write to Manager, Robert F. Wagner, Jr.

Wonder if he was related to Natalie's husband?

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Robert F. Wagner, Jr., was the Mayor of New York City (1954-1966). I even met him once as a kid, and years later knew his then ex-wife. "Manager"? It must have been "Mayor".

The theater (meaning cinema, to you) tax was a big thing in much of the country back then. The story goes that in Louisiana in 1956, former Governor Earl Long (brother of Huey) was running for his old office and accepted a $25,000 campaign contribution from the Louisiana Theater Owners' Association, delivered by a State Senator who was in their pay to introduce legislation favorable to their needs. Long took the money and promised to back repeal of the tax. After he got back in office, the Senator came to his office with a draft of his repeal bill. He was shocked when Long told him that the state needed the money, and not only would he not back the bill, he would do everything to have it beaten in the legislature, and would veto it if it passed and got to his desk. The Senator, appalled that Long had taken the money and was now turning on the people who gave it to him, sputtered, "But what will I tell the theater owners?" "Tell them," Long answered, "I lied."

Long was kind of a nut (even briefly committed by his wife to an insane asylum while in office), but he fought for ordinary people and was extremely colorful, outspoken and cheerfully dishonest if it was in a good cause. Paul Newman, who bore no resemblance to him whatever, played Long in the 1990 film Blaze, about Long's affair with stripper Blaze Starr. In 1960 he ran for the U.S. House of Representatives and defeated an incumbent in the Democratic primary (at that time tantamount to election), but died the next day. The gallery-watchers in Washington had been relishing the idea of Earl holding forth in the House and were bitterly disappointed by his untimely demise.

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Those times for Secret of the Incas are interesting. So the film played 8 times in one day! And there wasn't a co-feature accompanying it, either?
Can you please tell me if that is the "norm" in New York, hob?
Also, do many New Yorkers actually queue up to watch a film at 10.30 in the morning?

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Good point, HCH -- no co-feature. That hadn't occurred to me. That was definitely not common back then, when most theaters did run two features. For the past 40 years or so it would normally be just one movie, of course, but into the 60s two was the norm. But obviously it did occur sometimes. Unless the theater was an early example of a multiplex, one cinema with more than one screen, showing two or more pictures simultaneously. But I'm not sure if many, or even any, such theaters operated at that time.

Also, do many New Yorkers actually queue up to watch a film at 10.30 in the morning?


Only if they're hung over from the night before.

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hob, I found this http://www.newspapers.com/image/55330000/
so it looks like SECRET OF THE INCAS premiered a day earlier in New York, at a "preview."

BROOKLYN EAGLE
Thursday, May 27, 1954.
===================================================================

PREVIEW TODAY!
Come anytime after 3.30 P.M. for preview of "Secret of the Incas"
PLUS
last showings of "Prisoner of War"
TOMORROW
doors open 9.45 a.m.
===================================================================
Did you have to pay an admission fee for a "preview" hob?

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Oh yes, you'd pay for a preview. Still do. It made you feel privileged to be among the chosen few dragged off the street to see something 12 hours ahead of anybody else.

So the real date was May 27, 1954. So much for my party!

"Last showings of Prisoner of War"? You know who starred in that, don't you? Ronald Reagan, in his only film for MGM. A Korean war drama he hoped would jump-start his career. It was grim but not very good, with a ludicrous plot and absurd climax. Just another B film for him, and a flop at the box office. Even so, Reagan always talked about the movie and its anti-Communist themes, and in the 1990s his daughter Maureen wrote that it was when she mentioned the film to her father and he told her he had absolutely no recollection of it that she knew something was very wrong with him.

Anyway, I hope the theater did better business with SOTI.

Did you see my note about who Robert F. Wagner, Jr., was, James?

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Yes, hob, I read your post on Robert F. Wagner, Jr, in fact, I read everything you write ... I'm your biggest fan!

I marvel at the little snippets of info in your posts, you are very readable, hob.

Oh yes, you'd pay for a preview. Still do. It made you feel privileged to be among the chosen few dragged off the street to see something 12 hours ahead of anybody else.

Are you serious hob, is that the way it happened back then, people literally being press-ganged into the cinema to see the preview?
It made me laugh to think that SECRET OF THE INCAS played eight times a day, every day, for four weeks non-stop. I bet those cinema usherettes at the Victoria, like me, knew the words off by heart by the time it closed. Is it true that the cinema (or should I say theater) handed out little cards to the patrons so they could write their opinions of the film on them? If so, I would really love to have read some of those!

Anyway, I hope the theater did better business with SOTI.

SECRET OF THE INCAS made a lot of dough in those four weeks, hob. Even Walter Winchell praised it in his hatchet column, reporting that 'Word of mouth says "Secret of the Incas" is doing great business at the Victoria!'

Edit update: I just had another look at that newspaper again http://www.newspapers.com/image/55330000/
and noticed that Liberace was appearing at Madison Square Garden the night before. As a boxing fanatic it tickles me pink that Old Libby was appearing at that historic building, where some of the fiercest, bloodiest slugfests have took place! Lib even did a hillbilly number dressed in a straw hat and loud vest ... that sounds like worth the price of admission alone!




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Just read up on that bloke Wagner. He was a Catholic and tried to get rid of all the gay guys in New York in 1964. He didn't succeeed, did he?

Liberace at Madison Square Garden?????????????????

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Liberace at Madison Square Garden?????????????????

Yes, Liberace vs. Sugar Gay Robinson. They will be throwing cream cakes at each other, in a special main event.

preliminary fights on this bill include: Cassius Gay vs. Randy Turpin, and Henry Arsestrong vs. Willie Pep.



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Os,

"He was a Catholic and tried to get rid of all the gay guys in New York in 1964."

Say what? What are you referring to?

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I only got my info on Wagner from Wiki, so it might be bullshyte, hob, but this is what it says:
By the early 1960s, a campaign to rid New York City of gay bars was in full effect by order of Mayor Wagner, who was concerned about the image of the city in preparation for the 1964 World's Fair. The city revoked the liquor licenses of the bars, and undercover police officers worked to entrap as many homosexual men as possible.

Hey, you trivia geeks, Robert F. Wagner Jr., the son of a German, was born on Hitler's 21st birthday!



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Yeah, that sounds like something they would have done back then. I don't remember hearing about it at the time, but then I wasn't any more interested in the fate of gay bars then than I am now, aside from academic human rights concerns.

Robert F. Wagner Sr. was a very distinguished United States Senator from New York from 1927 until he resigned due to ill health in 1949. He died in 1953, a few months before his son was elected Mayor of New York City. Jr. was the Democratic nominee for his father's old Senate seat in 1956 when the incumbent Democrat, Herbert H. Lehman, retired, but Wagner lost to the state Attorney General, Jacob K. Javits, who himself became a very distinguished Senator (1957-1981). I met him once or twice in my teens because his son Josh went to my school. Javits was that now-extinct political breed, a liberal Republican. Anyway, Mayor Wagner wanted to run for the state's other Senate seat in 1964 but withdrew due to pressure from the state Democratic Party, who wanted Bobby Kennedy instead. Four years after leaving office he ran for Mayor again but lost the Democratic primary in 1969. Anyway, he was the first NYC Mayor in my memory, though I was born during the administration of the hugely forgettable Vincent Impelliteri.

I met Wagner's ex-wife Barbara in Florida in 1974 through my great-uncle, who was a Congressman from New York City. She thought I was really cute and used to try to kiss me however she got the chance. I was so irresistible.

Yes, Wagner Jr. was born on Hitler's 21st birthday, in 1910. But hey Os, a lot of nice people were born on Hitler's birthday...my British wife, for one. On Adolf's 73rd. I think her family ran into him later at a restaurant in Bournemouth while celebrating her arrival. Anyway, Wagner's father was born on June 8, 1877...amazingly, exactly 32 years to the day after the death of Andrew Jackson, founder of the modern Democratic Party. Will the coincidences never cease? Why, O why, was I given this Cassandra-like power?

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Since this board is about a movie that was partly filmed in Peru, I would like to add that Saint Rose of Lima, was also born on the same date as your wife and Hitler, hob. Saint Rose of Lima(April 20, 1586 – August 24, 1617), was a Spanish colonist in Lima, Peru, who became known for both her life of severe asceticism and her care of the needy of the city through her own private efforts. A lay member of the Dominican Order, she was the first person born in the Americas to be canonized by the Catholic Church.

As a saint, Rose of Lima is designated as a co-patroness of the Philippines along with Saint Pudentiana, who were both moved as second-class patronage in September 1942 by Pope Pius XII, but remains the primary patroness of Peru and the indigenous natives of Latin America.

Colombine also happened on this date, for which that fool Michael Moore seemed to blame Charlton Heston for.

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God, I thought my trivia was esoteric! Well done, Os!

Yes, the Columbine massacre occurred on 4/20/99. Psychos and right-wing extremists in this country always seem to gravitate either to April 19 (Waco, Oklahoma City) or Hitler's birthday.

I don't think your poster boy Moore blamed Heston for Columbine, but Heston's attitudes about guns were certainly symptomatic of the gun problem here in the States. Then and now, as far as the NRA cares, most Constitutional rights are malleable, except the "right" to own as many guns as you wish without any restriction, hindrance or inconvenience, without any background checks or waiting period, and to carry any type of firearm into any business, school, church, hospital, bar or anyplace else they wish, or to resort to "Second Amendment rights" to overthrow by force and murder any government or official they don't like.

I've known three people in my life, all young, who were murdered by guns bought without any restrictions or accounting. And not in hold-ups but in all three cases by friends or family members. I've run across two people on IMDb who in all dispassionate seriousness advocate assassinating Obama and other liberal politicians. Of course, the NRA and its allies say that if we had tough gun controls people who used a gun to kill someone would just have used a knife instead (this is what they say), so I guess we may just as well sit back and enjoy the bloodshed. Hey, it's cheaper than an X-Box.

If you had the gun-related problems and killings in Britain we have here in the U.S. I doubt you'd all be quite as equable about Mr. Heston or his and his successors' irresponsible and frankly dishonest campaigns for so-called "gun rights". Be thankful you don't have the murder rate and gun mania we have.

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I've run across two people on IMDb who in all dispassionate seriousness advocate assassinating Obama and other liberal politicians.

Are those two imdb loonies still active, hob - or has the administrator flushed them down the loo, where they belong?

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One I know is still around. Away from politics he's quite sane, but absolutely psychotic (really) on public affairs matters. He really, truly believes that Obama is a Muslim socialist foreigner whose mission is to destroy the United States before his second term ends on January 20, 2017. At first I took that for the usual raving, over-the-top rhetoric but no, he actually thinks the country will be obliterated. How, and replaced by what (other than, perhaps, a smoking pit) I have no idea. We even have a gentleman's wager on whether this will come to pass. I lucked out, because if I lose he'll never be able to collect. (All true.)

I don't know about the other guy. I last had anything to do with him was about four years ago. That person insists he's gay and is a militant activist in favor of all gay rights, furiously denouncing any real or perceived anti-gay slights. But apart from that, he's as violent and unhinged an individual as I've ever come across, with politics completely counter-intuitive to what you'd expect from a militant gay activist. Not only does he think it's crucial for the salvation of the western world that Obama be murdered, but he absolutely hates immigrants (legal or illegal), blacks, of course liberals of any kind (all of whom he equates with Communists), Hispanics, atheists, and has made cutting remarks about those he deems "intellectuals", though I suspect that's a pretty low-level term in his world. He favors arming people and organizing militia groups to kill those who stand in the way of what he calls democracy. This guy is a real hateful loon with no redeeming traits. He tried to get me to join the Tea Party but when I declined he called me a socialist or some such swear word and never said anything else to me. Thankfully.

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047464/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt

SECRET OF THE INCAS played at the Daytona Theater, Daytona Beach, on Thursday 4 May 1954. So those details supplied by IMDb are incorrect. The movie did not have its World Premiere at the Victoria Theater on 28 May 1954 - it played at Daytona Beach nearly three weeks before showing in New York.

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And so we paddled on, borne ceaselessly into the past.

James, you sure this movie wasn't released in 1952?

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OT but Happy Independence Day, Hob! (and any other American lurkers here)

I intend to celebrate by shooting one of my Smith & Wesson's.

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Indeed, nothing says "America" more than shooting off firearms. Me, I intend to hold up a convenience store.

But a Happy Fourth of July to one and all, especially our British contingent! Aren't you happy at the outcome of the events made formal by our Declaration of Independence 238 years ago? I'm watching the old TV documentary The Revolutionary War right now. Benedict Arnold has just defected but we win anyway. Don't fret, Brits, we become friends later on. Took a couple of centuries, though.

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James wrote "SECRET OF THE INCAS played at the Daytona Theater, Daytona Beach, on Thursday 4 May 1954. So those details supplied by IMDb are incorrect. The movie did not have its World Premiere at the Victoria Theater on 28 May 1954 - it played at Daytona Beach nearly three weeks before showing in New York".

So why have the imdb published those bogus dates then?

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I think the dates aren't "bogus" but just in technical error. I assume IMDb simply doesn't have full information and accepts the NYC premiere as the "official" world premiere date, which technically it was. It wasn't at all unusual for a movie back then to have a limited release in one or two theaters before its formal unveiling at some gala. On that basis, a lot of IMDb premiere dates are probably not strictly accurate.

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Sorry hob, but if SOTI played somewhere before New York, then it wasn't the "official" or even the "unofficial" premiere. Its like saying somebody's virginity was taken the third time they had sex!

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Not at all, Os. Most films were previewed or otherwise shown briefly elsewhere before they had their official -- formal, if you like -- premiere. This was quite common. Agreed, the "official" premiere is still not necessarily the same date on which a film was first shown publicly, and the latter should be deemed the actual premiere date. But that doesn't detract from having an "official" premiere, even if it isn't the actual first showing. Basically two different things.

I mean, you celebrate the Queen's birthday in June but she was born in April. June is her "official" birthday but that doesn't mean we say she was actually born on that date. Facts are facts. But she can still have an official date separate from the real one. Same with movies. The important thing is to realize there may have been an earlier, true premiere date, however modest in nature, before the formal one where all the fuss is made.

By the way, I believe the Queen's virginity was indeed taken the third time she had sex. Philip, however, was not informed of this until 1956. Made for uneasy dinner conversation that night, especially as the menu consisted, with singular mistiming and rather unfortunately, of bangers.

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Hahaha hob, what a nutter you are!

I'm afraid I find it difficult to believe any of the stuff printed on imdb now. The premiere dates are just supposedly the "official" ones, the birth dates of the actors are all studio inventions, and most of the "fans" ask bloody stupid questions about "Who was gay?" and other such nauseating nonsense.

IT'S A MAD HOUSE!!!

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Actually, most of the stars' birth dates on IMDb are not the ones once given out by the studios. They're mostly accurate, or if they're wrong it's because of some mix-up or confusion having nothing to do with the old studio claims.

There are certainly repetitively dumb questions that seem to pop up on all IMDb boards. My favorite -- meaning the one I hate most -- is the stupid, pointless and unoriginal "How about a remake?" or some variation thereof.

Until we hit that nadir here, SOTI will remain a bastion of sanity.

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Its official then, hob, this board is now a bastion of insanity (and it doesn't say much for us two, does it, everyone else has gone AWOL again!)

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Oh, it says a lot of great things about us, Os! We're like the last two survivors of a zombie apocalypse, valiantly fighting away when all others have turned to eating living Incas. And we win in the end.

I do hope James is all right, though. Last we heard he was in rather excruciating pain.

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Poor old James and his back. I'll give him a bell tonight and find out what's what.

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You're going to bell the Byrne?

Give him my best!

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I will do hob, I'll tell him to get back onto the SOTI express, pronto, Tonto!

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Not to mention Expresso Bongo. With apologies to Val Guest.

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Had a good chat with Jimbo last night before the Brazil-Germany game and it turns out James is more of an expert on "Secret of the Incas" than he is on football. He told me that he had a couple of quid on Brazil to win 1-0.
Boy, did he get it wrong!

James is slowly getting better and will be back shortly, hob.

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He bet on Brazil at 1-0?!! I hope he doesn't have to sell any of his SOTI memorabilia to make good on his debts! Brazil's worst defeat in the World Cup since I believe 1934. I've hardly ever heard of such a lopsided score. Of course, who would have forecast a 7-1 win for anybody, even the Germans?

Today, the World Cup. Tomorrow, same thing without the "Cup".

The popularity of professional football (soccer) over here is growing exponentially, much faster than any other sport, so the games have been being followed pretty closely here too, though it's still not at the levels of Europe, South America or elsewhere. I played it a lot as a teenager and was okay, but I never quite figured out why the professional version of the sport (as opposed to its being played in schools) never caught on here. I guess changing demographics and a decent US team have helped it along. Not to rub it in, but we even outlasted you guys this time!

Still, much more fun when it's played using a human head, the way Pachacutec learned growing up before he went to Cuzco U., became civilized and started substituting llama testicles instead.

Anyway, glad to hear James is up and about and will be rejoining us soon. This place feels like some kind of lost city without him.

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Football is virtually a religion in England and Scotland, even the women play it over here, and are nearly adequate at it. America put up a great display in the World Cup, at least you lot had a go, not like our sorry bunch of feckless losers.

I like the sound of Pachacutec's early games of football, it proves the incas were excellent at recycling things, hob. Why bury a dead head in the ground when you can use it as a football?

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Precisely, Os. Ecology and recycling were critical to a society which was unable to adequately feed itself, had limited resources and whose principle industry was killing off thousands. Employing every conceivable substitute object or material in order to play the Incas' national game was not only crucial to the survival of the sport itself but was as well a tribute to that innate ingenuity that has done so much to preserve the mighty Inca Empire to this day.

Oh yes, I know how obsessed people all over the planet are about football, England and Scotland included. You are, after all, the land that gave life to the term "soccer hooligan". Women play the game here too -- girls' soccer is on a par with boys' -- but as to your impartial remark that they "are nearly adequate at it", well, I trust you're not showing that post to your wife, who I gather is otherwise wise enough to keep away from this train wreck of ours.

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I might be crazy hob ... but I aint THAT crazy to show stuff like that to She Who Must Be Obeyed.

We won the World Cup in 1966 and we had the world's best hooligan's in the seventies - but we're not even good at that now!

England did beat Peru 3-0 in a friendly just before the World Cup started. Strangely, that seems ages ago now!

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Isn't the fact that Scotland has its own football team, as well as teams in other sports, one more factor encouraging its possible secession later this year?

Did you know Britain bequeathed the word "hooliganism" to the Russian language? The Hooligans were a notoriously rowdy family living in I think Liverpool in the 19th century. Their anti-social antics gave rise to having their name co-opted into a general word for a bunch of louts and (with the "ism" appended) their actions. The Russians seized on it and the word khuliganizm has long been an official term for any form of loud or destructive behavior. The Soviets even used it to describe actions by foreign powers of which they disapproved.

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100th reply on this board!

hob, I have really enjoyed reading this thread again and would like to chip in with a couple of things we have previously discussed.

On 28 May you mentioned that you were trying to find out who the "New York Times" movie critic was with the initials "A. W." Well, you know me, I don't like to leave any stone unturned connected with SECRET OF THE INCAS, and after some digging through some vintage reviews I reckon the reviewers name was A. W. Weiler, who was born in Russia on 10 December 1908 and died on 22 July 2002 at Astoria, Queens, New York.

That photo of the pigeons walking around Broadway between the two Thomas Mitchell movies playing, GONE WITH THE WIND and SECRET OF THE INCAS, resulted in us messing around with a few 'bird jokes.' I forgot to mention at the time that Heston calls those sucker tourists "pigeons" in the scene at Cuzco airport.

I have also recently discovered a beautiful site that shows photos of Broadway taken in the 1950's. There is one that I particularly love, it was taken on 28 May 1954 and shows a singing cowboy walking up and down Broadway, geared up like Gene Autry, advertising JOHNNY GUITAR which had just opened at the Mayfair Theater. SECRET OF THE INCAS at the Victoria can be glimpsed in the background. I have often read of such things in American pressbooks but this was the first time I have actually seen a photo of one of those bizarre promotional jaunts in action. Have you ever seen similar publicity shenanegins during your walks around New York City, hob?

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Well first, James, when I saw that yours was the 100th post on this thread I determined to congratulate you, even if you hadn't (with becoming modesty, I'm sure!) mentioned it yourself. We've all of us had occasion to note such a milestone on other threads but no one deserves the privilege of reaching them more than you, our friend and leader!

Forward to 200!

Yes, I remember A.W. Weiler now. SOTI seems to be the level of movie he would have been assigned to review, vs. the Times's venerable Bosley Crowther, who in his day was considered the premier film critic in America but whose reputation in most circles has declined precipitously over the ensuing decades. Crowther generally took on only the "important" films. Today, his somewhat dense prose and rather self-regardant approach haven't worn well, but the main rap against him is his ignorance of and condescending attitude toward foreign films or anything that tried to push the boundaries of convention. His inability to grasp the true nature of postwar Japanese, Russian, and even French and Italian cinema, his lazy insistence on stuffing them into the context of Hollywood films, and his conservative, narrow-minded tastes have poorly served his reputation. What finally did him in was his relentless slamming of Bonnie and Clyde in 1967, whose form and content mystified him.

Weiler was just a routine critic but not a bad one, so has escaped the disdain now visited upon BC. It's nice Weiler made it to age 93. Too bad he had to die in Astoria, however.

I know I've seen the kind of promotional stunts you mention, James, but offhand I can't remember when or in reference to what, only that I've encountered such stuff. I don't think that sort of thing as regards films is as common as it used to be, though you still run into it once in a while. I never thought much about it, but from your comments it doesn't sound like you saw a lot of that kind of promotionalism in Britain, which if true surprises me. I do recall seeing a photo of a car near Piccadilly Circus towing a small open trailer (caravan to you, I suppose) with a cardboard dinosaur on it, advertising the arrival of The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms in 1953. But you can still see some promotional stunts, not so often for movies but for other things (even plays, today) in and around Times Square. Part of the Disneyfication of the place. In the 50s T.S. was still pretty vibrant, amid the theaters (plays) and theaters (films) and the restaurants and other attractions, though even then the early signs of the seediness that would engulf the place by 1970 were already in view. It's a bit delusional to wax too nostalgically about the place back then as it had its issues, but there is something disappointing about the relatively clean, dull and touristy Times Square of today. A little dirt was useful, I suppose. Like the lively, talented, mobbed-up but first-class Las Vegas of 1958 vs. the corporate, "family-friendly", excessive yet bland L.V. of 2014.

I think you did mention, somewhere, that in SOTI Heston called his Cuzco clients "pigeons", because I recall pointing out in response that in The Greatest Show on Earth he called Betty Hutton "pigeon", as a term of endearment but also, one would like to hope, a comment on her brain power. Plus he later starred in the movie The Pigeon That Took Rome, wherein I'm sure he also had occasion to utter the word "pigeon". And let us not forget that one of his co-stars in Two Minute Warning was Walter Pidgeon. Nor that his co-lead in The Wreck of the Mary Deare was Gary Cooper, who was of course universally known by the affectionate nickname "Coop". So I believe it's safe to say that, overall, Charlton Heston is without question the pigeoniest actor in Hollywood history.

Ah, if only he'd starred in On the Waterfront. Lots of critical pigeon scenes in that one.

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"Weiler was just a routine critic but not a bad one, so has escaped the disdain now visited upon BC. It's nice Weiler made it to age 93. Too bad he had to die in Astoria, however".

Every now and again you comment on something which tantilizes me, hob. Please elaborate on that place Astoria, why is it such a bad place to die?

ps-Is there a good place to die?

http://www.secretoftheincas.co.ukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSPcAyCgwE

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Here is a brief biography of Abraham H. Weiler.

A. H. Weiler, a writer, editor and critic whose career at The New York Times spanned more than 50 years, died on July 22 at his home in Astoria, Queens. He was 93.
News of his death was delayed by the illness of his daughter and sole survivor, Susan L. Weiler. Mr. Weiler's wife, Ann, died earlier.
As motion picture editor of The Times, Mr. Weiler served a term as chairman of the New York Film Critics Association. For a time, he wrote a Sunday column about movies and moviemakers. Mr. Weiler was known around the office either as Abe or, just as often, Doc, thanks to his readiness to diagnose and prescribe treatments for the aches and pains of his friends and co-workers.
Abe H. Weiler was born on Dec. 10, 1908, in Russia and brought to New York by his family as a child; he grew up on the Lower East Side.
As a young man, he hoped to practice medicine and in later years was delighted when one of his friends, the novelist Richard Condon, regularly began including a character named Dr. Weiler in his books.
Part of Mr. Weiler's legacy is his memorable response when the long-independent arts reporters and critics of The Times were put under the supervision of Joseph G. Herzberg, the paper's first cultural news editor. As related by Richard F. Shepard, a colleague, in ''The Paper's Papers: A Reporter's Journey Through the Archives of The New York Times,'' Mr. Weiler was summoned by his new chief and could not resist taking a jab at what he regarded as culture's highfalutin new identity.

''Sorry, Joe,'' he replied, ''I'm busy painting a fresco.''

http://www.secretoftheincas.co.ukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSPcAyCgwE

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I was being facetious there, James. Astoria is a residential section of the borough of Queens in New York City. (Queens, like all five NYC boroughs, is also a county of the State of New York.) It's actually a perfectly decent residential section, middle class, certainly not a wealthy enclave, though parts of it are now becoming gentrified. Like most of the city it's pretty densely built and populated. My great-uncle once represented it in Congress. But because of its urban setting not the sort of place I'd choose to die...if I'm lucky enough to have a choice in the matter.

Yes, I'd certainly say there are good, or nice, places to die. I can think of some places in the Caribbean, on Fire Island off the south shore of Long Island where I have my second house, and in the Arizona desert, that for me would be preferable places to draw my last breath because of their beauty and tranquility. Everyone has some such place, usually from their personal experiences (like mine above), or someplace they'd never been but fantasize about.

It isn't the site but the fact of death we all find a problem. As Woody Allen has said, "I don't mind dying. I just don't want to be there when it happens."

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You bird fanciers have missed an obvious Heston-pigeon reference. Didn't that poor pigeon Don DeFore do himself in after being ripped-off by Chuck and his devious mates in "Dark City"?

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Yeah, I didn't get one word of appreciation for my pigeon musings a few posts back! Just questions about "Astoria". Dullest thing I wrote. I should have guessed.



There's also a city called Astoria on the coast of Oregon. Irrelevant to anything here, but as long as the subject seems important, might as well be completist about it.

Don DeFore never did have the guts to stand up for himself. Look how he let that maid Hazel walk all over him. (Or did you have that 60s TV show in the UK? If not, consider yourselves fortunate.)

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Well, I wanted to praise your pigeon musings, hob, but in the end I chickened out .... !

James, I am intrigued about that photo of a cowboy advertising Johnny Guitar near the cinema showing Secret of the Incas. Can you please supply a link, Mr Byrne?

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Well, you certainly had an eagle eye to spot it there, Haddock. We have to watch this board like a hawk so we know when someone's gone cuckoo. No wonder everyone else stays away. They take us for a bunch of turkeys.

On a non-avian subject, I'd like to see that cowboy-in-Times-Square photo too. But did you non-Americans know that in the real Old West, a "cowboy" was not what you see in the movies -- a ranch hand herding cattle and so on. Back then, a cowboy was an outlaw, basically a gang member hired as a gunslinger, or someone who was what we'd later call a gangster, part of a lawless mob that terrorized and robbed people. The proper term for what we now call a cowboy was a cow hand, or a cattle handler, that sort of thing.

Have you guys seen Johnny Guitar? (I assume.) Good but bizarre. Supposedly an analogy to McCarthyism. I gather Joan Crawford and Mercedes McCambridge hated each other so much in real life that their adversarial scenes in the movie were all too authentic! For what it's worth, Sterling Hayden hated Joan too, but unfortunately in the movie he had to pretend to like her, much more difficult.

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My wife goes a funny colour at the mere mention of Johnny Guitar, or anything connected with Joan Crawford, for that matter. It started years ago when we saw a vintage interview of Crawford with some actress that was playing Anne Frank. It truly was staggeringly nauseating to say the least, Crawford was an even worse actress in real life than she was on the big screen apparently. I can't spot Dennis Hopper in that very strange western, either. For years every single Dennis Hopper filmography listed Johnny Guitar as his debut, but where is he?

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What happened in the Crawford interview that so put you and your wife off her, HCH?

As Mercedes McCambridge might have said in Johnny Guitar, "Don't leave us hanging!"

Dennis Hopper wasn't in JG. I never heard that, and just went over and checked his credits. I thought his first movie was Rebel Without a Cause in 1955, and that's what IMDb shows. I think this may be just urban legend. If he is there, it must be as one of the mob, but I never saw any sign of him. There are always people who insist some actor was in some early obscure role, when in fact this is either the product of misinformation or someone thinking an actor in that film looks like the later actor.

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My wife has corrected me since our last communication, hob. The actress was Heather Sears apparently, and they were promoting the movie The Story of Esther Costello on BBC in the fifties. For some reason I thought the film was about Anne Frank, but enough of my aging ailments and forgetfulness. The interview was blood-curdlingly, nails-scraping-the-blackboard, vomit-inducingly awful. Crawford was so annoyingly false, staring google-eyed and stroking the hair of the young actress like some middle-aged drugged-up lesbian. My wife has despised Crawford ever since seeing that interview and when it popped up on BBC4 a few years ago I delighted in forcing her to watch it again.

If it is on youtube hob, you really must give it a look. Be warned though - it will turn your stomach.

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Yeah, I wondered about that Crawford - Anne Frank connection.

The Story of Esther Costello was made in 1957 and apparently the interview you saw dated from its release, so how did you ever see it in the first place? I take it you didn't see it 57 years ago. Was it simply repeated somewhere, and whatever for? And twice?! Why would anyone rerun a decades-old interview of no importance?

But your rather graphic description does sound creepy. I gather you found the program unsettling. Just a feeling I got based on the vague hints you left!

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Haddock and hob - it's here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW6RxRLLofs

Crawford looks very creepy, and Heather Sears looks traumatized!

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Wait until I tell my wife, thanks for that Oswald, haha!

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God, the smarm just oozes off the screen in that one. Obviously most people took this sort of thing at face value back then, but how transparently practiced, phony and in the end creepy JC is.

Heather looks okay (though clearly very nervous about being interviewed) until Joan puts her arm around her and draws her close to her, stroking her arms in the process. At that moment she suddenly seems surprised and a bit unsettled and abruptly loses her smile. I wouldn't quite say "traumatized", but then Joan hadn't yet invited her to her hotel room to see her personal snapshots.

I've long heard that by the 50s Joan was always jealous of younger, prettier girls, so that business about helping out younger people doesn't ring completely true. She was very competitive with younger actresses by then. I also read years ago that in the early 50s, while Joan always spoke disparagingly about Marilyn Monroe for the tight, low-cut, revealing dresses she usually wore to Hollywood functions, she got so obsessed with her that she did everything she could to lure MM into bed. Supposedly she succeeded too, but reportedly Marilyn didn't enjoy their one encounter and afterwards had to frequently fend off Joan's advances seeking another night with her. It's long been accepted that in her prime Joan had several lesbian affairs so this story sounds plausible. Heather must have been next on her list.

Incidentally, Ms. Sears won the BAFTA as Best Supporting Actress for Esther Costello. But her career never became quite as big as everyone expected, mainly by Heather's own choice, since she periodically gave up acting to mind her children. She died at the beginning of 1994 at just 58. However, her devotion to family over career I think speaks well for her, and presumably she never tortured her kids by screaming "No more wire hangers!"

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Haddock and hob (and other pigeon fanciers on this board!) it has been brought to my attention that you would like to see a photo of that singing cowboy advertising JOHNNY GUITAR, starring the very frightening Joan Crawford. Here is the link, gang -

http://www.elvisechoesofthepast.com/times-square-in-the-1950s

I wonder if they had a guy geared up like an Inca on the other side of the street where SECRET OF THE INCAS is playing?

I'm in a bit of a rush because I'm dancing in a music video later on. My talents as a successor to Astaire and Kelly have finally been noticed. Not sure if all those professionally-trained dancers will appreciate my extremely natural style but the choreographer tells me he just wants me to "do my thing" when he gives me the go-ahead. I do hope I don't injure anyone in the making of this film.

http://www.secretoftheincas.co.ukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSPcAyCgwE

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Great photos on that link, James. To think, I was somewhere within about 10 miles or so of Times Square at the very moment all those pictures were taken.

It looks to me like many of the snapshots were taken on a Sunday, or possibly a Saturday, because of the dearth of traffic in them. Notice that in some photos the place is jammed with cars and in others the streets are fairly clear of them. Ordinarily there were lots of cars, especially in midtown. Same as today. But those fantastic 1950s cars really take me back!

The strumming Johnny Guitar cowboy looked kind of creepy himself, and I'm not sure seeing him in color would have improved matters. I guess after this gig he got his $25 and went back to his seedy Times Square hotel room.

Anyway, besides the various advertising signs and other businesses in the photographs, I saw the following movies playing at theaters scattered around the Square. In 1954: Secret of the Incas, Johnny Guitar, Apache, Elephant Walk, Gone With the Wind, Indiscretion of an American Wife, About Mrs. Leslie, Carnival Story, The Caine Mutiny, Sitting Bull, On the Waterfront, A Star is Born. In 1955: 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (a 1954 film but I guess it came out late and was held over into '55), Underwater!, The Rose Tattoo, Big House U.S.A., The Long Gray Line, This Island Earth, East of Eden, Rebel Without a Cause, Timberjack, Magnificent Matador, The Kentuckian, Ulysses, My Sister Eileen. I also liked the plays running on Broadway, including The King and I, The Teahouse of the August Moon, Odine and a couple of others I just couldn't quite make out.

One theater they mentioned frequently was the Mayfair. I know it from cinematic history because that was the place where one of my top five favorite films, Destination Moon, premiered in 1950. Lines around the block for that one. I knew it was a major theater but didn't quite realize just how huge and important it was.

The details are of course very different today -- different stores, ads, movies, cars -- but Times Square still has the same basic layout, only more "user friendly". To me, it's cleaner and neater and in some ways less tacky, but there's a lot to be said for the glitzier TS of yore captured so well in these photos. There was a life, a vibrancy, then that just seems homogenized out of existence today. It was busier, more of a free-for-all, push-and-shove kind of place, the way a true New Yorker like myself wants things. And great basic food aplenty! Hell, I'd go back.

Though I have to say that while whoever put up that site did a great job with the photos, his grasp of the language is mediocre at best, with very poor sentence construction and numerous instances of my favorite (= most detested), teeth-gnashing modern grammatical screw-up, writing "it's" when he means "its". I'm just glad the guy didn't refer to the place as "Time's Square".

So you're going dancing tonight, James? Morris Dancing, by chance? Should we send photos of you tearing up the dance floor to the NHS and your employer? You know, just to show them how well you're doing after everything they paid to treat your "bad back"?

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You don't realize how lucky you were to be living in New York at that time, hobnob. The cowboy walking around Times Square singing the song from Johnny Guitar is a wonderful publicity gimmick, we never had anything like that when I was a young lad. They are really atmospheric photos capturing a bye-gone era, thank you for showing them.

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I can't see anything on the link - it doesn't load up. Drat!

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About both you boys' posts....

Haddock -- Remember, I was only 1 when the first batch of photos were taken, so my specific memories of Times Square then -- and even when I was 2 -- are necessarily non-existent. I have some vague recollections of TS in the late 50s -- 1958, 1959 -- and it wasn't substantially different from 1954, but my personal experiences date much more from the mid-to-late 60s, when New York was nearing the precipice that was the 70s and Times Square still had a lot of that seedy liveliness it no longer has under Disney et al. But I agree, attractions like that singing cowboy, all just to hawk a movie, were part of the glitzy fabric of the place that at least from our perspective makes it look cool. There were a lot more movie theaters in the area then than there are now too, so of course seeing all these titles we now have on DVD is pretty neat. But I wonder how truly enamored of TS the people of 1954 really were. There may have been aspects of it that we today find charming or nostalgic, but which people at the time found annoying or off-putting.

Have you guys ever seen the 1953 musical The Band Wagon? Early in the film Fred Astaire is walking through TS (actually a partial replica on the MGM back lot) with Oscar Levant and Nanette Fabray when he suddenly looks around and exclaims, "And what's happened to Times Square?!", then goes on to recount all the old theaters and other attractions he remembered from years ago that were no longer there. And this was the year before the photos on this website James found were taken. So I guess each generation looks back at the places of their youth and laments the changes that have (naturally) made them "worse".

Os -- You can't access the link? Keep trying. You'll like it.

Say, there's been no word from James since before he went out dancing. I hope his back didn't give out. I also therefore trust he wasn't break dancing. James?

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Just read an article in The Sun that today, 15 September, is the 60th anniversary of the famous scene filmed in New York of Marilyn Monroe's dress blowing up in "The Seven Year Itch." Is there a plaque at the location to commemorate that great cinematic event, hob?
Is it anywhere near Times Square?

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Well, I have to disabuse and probably disappoint you there, Os -- at least in part.

The scene as seen in the picture was actually filmed on the 20th Century Fox back lot. It was all a (very good) studio re-creation. Now, they did film some scenes on location in NYC. The problem with the skirt scene was that with gawkers and uncontrolled conditions -- the subway train passing by underneath really wouldn't generate anywhere near a big enough draft to send her skirt flying up like that -- they had to do the whole thing over again in Hollywood. I don't believe any of the NYC footage of MM and Tom Ewell leaving the movie theater and standing on the subway grate ever made it into the movie. There are a few location shots in the film, mainly the street (I believe it was East 63rd Street) outside the apartment house, but the rest is pure Hollywood.

To answer your question, they did film on or adjacent to Times Square, but none of the Square footage made it into the film that I know of. And no, no plaque to plague the tourists.

Okay, as we're off-topic anyway, here are (appropriately) seven Seven Year Itch trivia questions. No cheating! (I always get a laugh out of saying that for the record.)

1. What was the name of Marilyn Monroe's character?
2. Tom Ewell played his role on Broadway but was not first choice for the film. What up-and-coming actor was?
3. What was the movie they had seen when coming out of the theater?
4. In Hollywood terms, what was unusual about the choice of the picture they'd been to?
5. How and in what film did director Billy Wilder signal that he was set to direct The Seven Year Itch?
6. What was the major difference in the man's and woman's relationship in the play vs. the movie?
7. Which actor/actress in this film had Wilder already directed to an Oscar nomination?

And just for fun I'm going to toss a bonus toughie in as an extra....

8. By the time TSYI was made, two of the credited actors in it had appeared in classic (meaning so-bad-they're-good) early 50s sci-fi films. Which two, and what were the films? (And I'll tantalize you further by saying that years later one of them was offered a role in an Oscar-winning blockbuster but turned it down, and the performer who took it received an Oscar nomination for their work.)

Happy Monday! When does work on the English-Scottish border moat begin?

SPOILER ALERT ADDENDUM! OS! BEWARE! Haddock has answered many of my questions in his post immediately following. If you don't want to see his replies, skip his post until later. Just wanted to alert you before anything catastrophic happened!

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Pardon me for butting in, but TSYI is a favourite of mine (and my wife) and the famous dress scene WAS filmed in New York, and part of it WAS in the final release print. Most of the scene was recreated in the studio, as you stated hob.

1. MM was only known as the girl
2. You got me there hob
3. The creature from the black lagoon
4. You got me there again hob
5. In Sabrina
6. They never consumated their brief relationship?
7. Dunno hob
8. Ditto hob

Don't mention Scotland to us here, we are all sick to death of it, hob.

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Well, I allowed that some of that Broadway/Times Square footage might be in the final film (though I had my doubts), so I accept that some genuine NYC footage made it into the film, but the shot of MM standing on the subway grate was all studio. They did try to film it on site but it didn't work.

I've edited my prior post to insert a warning to Os about your answering my questions so that he doesn't see your replies first -- if he cares!! You got everything you answered right, HCH. The full questions and answers:

1. What was the name of Marilyn Monroe's character? Correct -- although "the girl" was mainly her designation in the script. In the dialog she was never called anything, though there were references to her as "the", "this" or "that" girl.
2. Tom Ewell played his role on Broadway but was not first choice for the film. What up-and-coming actor was? Walter Matthau. He was passed over as too inexperienced. Of course, 11 years later he'd win an Oscar in Wilder's The Fortune Cookie and become one of his steady leading men, with Jack Lemmon. (I believe The Fortune Cookie was known in the UK as Meet Whiplash Willie.)
3. What was the movie they had seen when coming out of the theater Right again -- The Creature From the Black Lagoon.
4. In Hollywood terms, what was unusual about the choice of the picture they'd been to? What was unusual is that The Seven Year Itch was a 20th Century Fox picture while Creature was from Universal. It was standard Hollywood practice that any movie seen on a theater marquee or movie poster in another film was one of the producing studio's own pictures, not one from a different studio. (Or a fake film.) In its small way this was quite remarkable.
5. How and in what film did director Billy Wilder signal that he was set to direct The Seven Year Itch? Very good again, Haddock. But what was the context? Okay, in Sabrina Humphrey Bogart gives his tickets to the play The Seven Year Itch to his secretary after Audrey Hepburn declines to go out because she's not dressed up. (How times have changed!) Sabrina was Billy Wilder's last film for his longtime studio Paramount, with whom he was parting on bad terms, so he wanted to stick it to them in some small way by advertising, however indirectly, his next film for a rival studio. I'm surprised the Paramount execs let that go by.
6. What was the major difference in the man's and woman's relationship in the play vs. the movie? Good guess. In the play they slept together. But because of the Hays Code in the film they couldn't. Broadway was always way ahead of and much more liberal in its attitudes than Hollywood.
7. Which actor/actress in this film had Wilder already directed to an Oscar nomination? Robert Strauss, nominated for Best Supporting Actor for Stalag 17 (1953).

And our bonus No. 8. By the time TSYI was made, two of the credited actors in it had appeared in classic (meaning so-bad-they're-good) early 50s sci-fi films. Which two, and what were the films? (And I'll tantalize you further by saying that years later one of them was offered a role in an Oscar-winning blockbuster but turned it down, and the performer who took it received an Oscar nomination for their work.) The actor who played the old boyfriend, Sonny Tufts (Cat-Women of the Moon, 1953) and the actress who was Ewell's secretary, Marguerite Chapman (Flight to Mars, 1951). Both their careers were sliding downhill fast, and The Seven Year Itch was the last major film for each. But in 1997 Miss Chapman was approached to star as "old Rose" in Titanic. However, the once sexy and voluptuous actress was by then too old and frail to take the part (she was in the early stages of dementia and died not long thereafter), so Gloria Stuart got it instead.

Very well done, Haddock! I had to put that last bit of nonsense in for fun.

So are you lot sick of Scotland or sick of the campaign? Or both?! I have a $50 wager with my still-British wife that they'll vote yes. Just trying to make waves across the pond as it were.

However, as a sop to SOTI I'll appropriate the pro-union ad slogan and apply it to those of us who people the Secret of the Incas board: Better Together!

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Good grief, hob, I am sorry to say that I can only answer just two of your questions with a degree of certainty that they may be correct. Number 3 is easy - it is "The Creature from the Black Lagoon" - and number 6 I am having an educated guess here that there was no hanky panky in the movie. The other questions I am at a complete loss with, but I like the fact that you are such an expert on this particular MM movie.

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Hardly an expert, Os, just a bunch of disparate stuff I've picked up on. If you're interested in the answers please see my reply to Haddock immediately above your post.

Incidentally, you may recall that over on the board for Behemoth the Sea Monster/The Giant Behemoth I started a joke thread about how that film predicted 9/11 because that was the number plate on a highly visible car in a couple of scenes. You made a brief post there a while back. Well, the other day, a second 9/11 conspiracy lunatic chimed in (another had jumped in a few months ago). Of course I replied at some disparaging length, but since you've been on that thread you might want to have a peek even if you don't add to the conversation. These 9/11 "truthers" are even more insane than the JFK conspiracy freaks.

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Just been on the BTSM board and read that goons thoughts on 9/ll hob.

Years ago James mentioned that three of the stars of "Secret of the Incas" died within five months of each other and we had a long discussion about it. Well, I have just found out that Angus Lennie died on 14 Sept, following on from the recent deaths of Richard Attenborough (24 Aug) and James Garner (19 Jul). Those three actors were all in "The Great Escape" and they died within a 3 MONTH span.

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CONSPIRACY!

Worse than you said -- they all died within a TWO-month span!

CONSPIRACY!

Addendum.... Just read your reply on the Behemoth board. I didn't think it appropriate to say this in direct response over there, but thank you for your laudatory remarks, Os. I'm just disappointed you deleted your stuff over on the JFK board. I haven't been there recently but intend to saunter over at some point. I'm just mad that all these months later I still haven't quite finished my response to that loon's thread about "50 years - 50 questions". But I'm nearly done and will do so, and even if the thread's been deleted, I copied it and will post it as a new thread with my rebukes to his falsehoods. In fact, that's what I'll do anyway, to avoid having my replies lost in the maelstrom of that dope's thread. I'll keep you posted (as it were).

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I have spent the last hour reading some of the JFK boards. It just seems to be the same few oddballs arguing with each in a childish and hostile enviroment. At least us few here on this SOTI site are civil to each other and exchange facts and not fiction with each other, with a bit of humour thrown in for good measure every now and then.
By the way hob, congratulations on your wonderful reply to the poor soul who is in total confusion about the terrible events of September 11 2001. It was most enjoyable and a real pleasure to read. I really admire your "gift of the gab", as they say in these parts.
Oswald, I am surprised that a gentleman of your intellect visited the JFK boards and argued with those misguided folk. Best stay away in the future - for your own sanity.

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Thank you very much, old friend HCH. I can't speak for Os, but I for one like mixing it up with such "poor souls", and I suspect he does too, for a while anyway. It can get stultifying.

A few years ago I got a PM from someone who said he liked my posts in general but asked why on JFK I was so opposed to the "truth" about Kennedy's assassination being a plot, and cited some piece of easily refuted nonsense in support of his beliefs. He was civil so I answered in kind, pointing out certain realities that seemed to have eluded him, then asked him to which of the hundreds of conspiracies he subscribed, noting once again that if there had been a plot it would have long ago been specified and proven. Never heard from him again. Surprising!

Yeah, "gift of the gab" used sometimes to be heard here too, though nowadays it's considered pretty old fashioned, and probably too Gaelic.

As to which...today, September 18, 2014, is S-Day, when Scotland votes to secede...maybe. I think they'll quit, though I'd hate to see that happen. What do you folks believe? (And no fair waiting until the returns come in!) At least the formal separation won't take place until March, 2016, which will give Elizabeth enough time to load up the silverware in Balmoral.

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hob
After being flooded with programmes this week on the Scotland issue I think that whoever wins today (and polling stations have just opened) we as a nation are anything but United. The "yes" faction seem such an aggressive, intimidating bunch of people, and have resorted to egg-throwing and breaking windows of the "no" voters. I want Scotland to stay with us, but after seeing quite a few of them in action this week I don't particularly like them any more.

I wished I hadn't wasted an hour of my life now on those JFK boards - and will not venture over there ever again.

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Aaaaaaargh!!!
Sanctuary! ....sanctuary! .... as old Quasi would squeal

Even on the SOTI boards we're talking about that bloody place called Scotland!

I hope to blazes that Scotland votes YES and gets the hell out of our British Isles. My prediction, with 12 hours to go before polls close is that the Yes mob will win by a slight margin ... but it all depends on the "don't knows" doesn't it?

Is this Scottish thing big news in America then hob?

And wasn't Charlton Heston from the Fraser clan .... I wonder how Chuck would have voted?

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Hello to everyone, I've been so busy since I last wrote but you guys have carried on the good work without me. I have been in contact with Anthony Numkena recently but that news will have to wait for a couple of days.

Oh, and Scotland will never leave us in a million years, hob.

Regarding my dancing debut in that musical video - the whole thing went tits up I'm afraid. The Hotel manager where it was supposed to be taking place nearly died when he saw all the dark skinned dancers and singers filing into his hotel with all the equipment. When one guy arrived wearing a Rastafarian hat with two foot dread-locks, the manager asked the video director "Will you be playing Reggae music?" (bearing in mind the foyer was filling up with some quite beautiful looking black dancers). I chimed in with, "No - we're all Irish folk dancers!" and with that the manager said to the director "Here's your Β£600 back, please leave the building immmediately." A few minutes later 15 burly policemen arrived and that is when I beat a hasty retreat. I left as a lot of screaming and gnashing of teeth was occuring in full swing, with the Hotel manager having to defend accusations of racism to all the singers and dancers.

hob, speaking of racism, I found this little chestnut in an old Boxoffice magazine and my mouth dropped to the floor in shock when reading it. The theater managers sent in their opinions of the box office takings of the latest movies on release. Here is what O.D. Calhoun, Mars Theatre, Bakersville, North Carolina, wrote after SECRET OF THE INCAS played there in January 1955.

"Could have been a good picture but they keep putting these foreign "natives" in pictures which the public hates. All people want are good Americans in easy to understand pictures like CALAMITY JANE and RIVER OF NO RETURN and more good westerns."

http://www.secretoftheincas.co.ukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSPcAyCgwE

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A 3-in-1 reply:

Haddock: Believe me, you didn't waste an hour on the JFK board. Consider it an educational experience. When, finally, I get around to posting my long-promised refutation of one particular nitwit, I'll advise all of you and I expect you personally to break your vow and go back to read it!!

Os: Yes, Scotland has been pretty big news here the past few weeks. Curiously most of the guests I've seen on news programs discussing it are all pro-independence, including a reporter for The Guardian who I would think should be somewhat more even-handed. The polls have closed as I write this (it's about 1 AM Friday you lads' time just now), so I guess you'll wake to the news -- I'll probably still be up for it. By the way, Scotland can't "leave the British isles", Os. Unhappily for you it'll still be sharing the same land mass with a hostile England. Is there a Scottish equivalent of the Crimea for some future PM to re-annex? Jura? The Shetlands? Let the Scots keep Glasgow.

I still can't believe how much Cameron and the government caved in agreeing to this. I would never have agreed as the Queen's First Minister to anything that would unilaterally dissolve my country. Add to that that the pro-independence people can keep coming back over and over with referendums until they get what they want, but once they do -- Okay, that's it, stop! No second referendum to reconsider or affirm the first one. I would only have agreed to this on condition that 60% vote for independence and that, if yes, there be a confirming vote after the negotiations to make sure people approved of the separation agreement and still wanted to break up the country. As it is the "Yes" forces could win by a few hundred votes and that would be that -- hardly a mandate.

I suppose since I come from a nation that fought the bloodiest war in our history (more dead than we lost in all our other wars combined) in order to keep us one country and end any prospect of secession, I feel strongly about such things. I'm sure there are places where secession is justified but the threshold needs to be attainable but not easy.

James: So you had a race riot instead of a dance? Sounds like Baltimore in the 60s. "Tits up"? That's a Britishism I'm not too familiar with, though it has possibilities best left unspoken. Something else you say to your granddaughter when you cart her off to a pub? Anyway, the whole thing does sound rather chaotic, but look at it this way: you lost your chance for ballroom glory but saved your back.

Not surprised by the reaction of that theater owner in NC to SOTI back when. I should think that in those days most of the cinema managers in that area of the country would want only good, clean, white pictures. This guy sounds like it was not just people of color, but foreigners to boot, who gave him a problem. In which case, most of this film's cast wouldn't have passed muster. He didn't even give the filmmakers points for keeping out black people.

Although, in fairness, he might have approved of the recent actions of your local hotel manager, especially since, for the North Carolinian, it would have been a source of great satisfaction that such things took place in a town called Lincoln.

Come to think of it, maybe we shouldn't have fought that war of 1861-1865 so hard after all.

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I told you so! I never thought the "Yes Men" had any chance right from the beginning, but I must admit it was closer than I imagined.

hob, I found a couple more reviews from Boxoffice on SECRET OF THE INCAS from two US "small-town and rural patronage" theater managers.

18 Dec 1954 - W L Sratton, Lyric Theatre, Challis, Idaho, wrote: "This was a fair picture but something happened as it failed miserably at the boxoffice. I'll take a good western instead of a jungle picture and do twice the business."

25 Dec 1954 - Michael Chiaventone, Valley Theatre, Spring Valley, Illonois, wrote: "Our Boy Charlton didn't do so well this time. This was slow and draggy. Many of our women patrons came to hear Yma Sumac hit the high notes in her ceremonial chants."

The question is - how on earth did Mr Chiaventone know that ... did he personally ask all the ladies why they had bothered to leave their homes to watch SECRET OF THE INCAS, or was he just trolling? (before trolling had even been invented)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSPcAyCgwE

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Yes, I stayed up watching the returns (the live feed from the BBC was picked up on a couple of cable channels here, BBC America and C-Span, plus extensive US cable news coverage). Of course, being five hours behind I didn't have to stay up as late as you boys did...assuming you stayed up! Midnight, 1 AM did it for me.

It was kind of exciting but pretty clear early on it would be No. I loved the fact that Alex Salmond's own constituency voted No, along with several other SNP strongholds. People vote differently in different elections for different reasons. Voting patterns don't necessarily carry over from one election to the next. Glad he did the right thing by committing political hara-kiri and resign. Had the vote gone the other way everyone says Cameron would have had to quit, the paradox being that while his head might have been on a platter it's Labour who would have lost big had Scotland seceded.

Pity the press won't for unity's sake rub the Yes people's noses in it with their snappy headlines: BAKED SALMOND or something.

Of course, I now owe my wife $50. This election was rigged! Aye!

In re SOTI:

Theater managers were expected to offer feedback on the movies they showed and the studios did pay them some mind. Especially in small towns like the ones you cited, James, the managers were just like the local boobery and so I imagine they reported what a few friends or customers they knew told them. Hardly scientific, and the editorial content (what women like and so forth) was probably based on the managers' own biases, but even so their views were probably a fair reflection of their customers. And obviously the box-office take is a solid indicator of success or failure. Geography and the type of clientele they had played a role too, of course. It's not the least surprising that the guy from Idaho wanted a western instead of a jungle picture.

But I would have liked to know these guys' reactions to The Naked Jungle, which, while a "jungle picture" in an obvious sense, had something unique and different in it guaranteed to draw audiences to the theater like ants to a picnic.

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hob to Haddock - "Believe me, you didn't waste an hour on the JFK board. Consider it an educational experience. When, finally, I get around to posting my long-promised refutation of one particular nitwit, I'll advise all of you and I expect you personally to break your vow and go back to read it!!"

I honestly can't wait to read your reply to that numbskull on the JFK boards, hob! I like the way you stick it to them. The trouble is, they aint interested in the facts of the case, they just like arguing about the fantasy and the fictions that have been invented.

I'm sorry we are still united ... I wanted Scotland to go there own way and be done with it. The only good thing about it is we won't have to look at Salmond's ugly mug on the news again, moaning and groaning about the Westminister public schoolboys running our parliament. His replacement - a very plain-looking miserable Scottish woman looks capable of carrying on the moans once Salmond has gone fishing.

I actually enjoyed those red-neck opinions of those rural cinema owners who played "Secret of the Incas," James, keep 'em coming mate!

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Yes, I keep kicking myself (figuratively) over the fact that I got so lazy that I "took a breather" in compiling my Kennedy reply when I was about 95% done! That was eight months ago and I still haven't gone back yet to finish the job. I did have a rough winter but I should be able to do the thing once and for all. I certainly want to get it in before November 22 this year.

It doesn't concern me that people like that poster won't believe anything I say. On the contrary it's good simply to expose their ignorance, lies and contradictions for all to see. Pro-conspiracy people are closed to facts anyway. It's the others, including those with so-called "open minds", who are the ones to reach. I've run across a couple of those over there too.

There was a similar type of debate a year or more ago on the Towering Inferno board, where some nut put up a thread about 9/11 being a "controlled demolition" and an inside job. He cheerfully acknowledged anyone who joined in on the thread calling him out on his lies and fantasies, then closed by informing them he was putting them on "ignore" so that he'd never have to read anything they said ever again! But I think I did convince some poor schnook who thought it was a plot but confessed he knew little about it that all the "facts" he cited were falsehoods. I finally got him by lumping together all the crazy and contradictory facets of these tales and demonstrating that this whole business was insane on its face. He agreed but still hoped these people never stop "asking questions"...which I pointed out to him was the issue, since their "questions" aren't real questions but false assertions -- just like this clown on the JFK board. Anyway, that TTI thread was eventually expunged by the IMDb powers-that-be. Cover-up triumphant!!

Yes, I'd like to hear more results of small-town theater owners reactions to Secret of the Incas. But I'd also like to know similar reactions in the UK. You have your small and insular towns too, though I suspect the level of ignorance in yours isn't as great as in ours. Perhaps some owners' customers would have preferred a film about Robin Hood or Dunkirk or something of more local appeal. Any information there, James?

Oh, Os, I think you're better off with Scotland. You still don't have to go there, and besides, where would you stick the Navy? I was watching Sink the Bismarck! the other day and lamenting the possible loss, a few hours later, of Scapa Flow. No worries about that now! Speaking of which, have you ever seen footage of the Bismarck under water? They found it a few years ago (as well as what's left of the Hood) and it looks really cool, truth be told. Well preserved at a depth of three miles -- a mile deeper than the Titanic.

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hob, did yoyu ever write that Kennedy reply to that nutter on the JFK board. I suppose you've had enough of nutters for one year, though.

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I re-began (?) it, but got sidetracked again over the past seven weeks with the personal stuff I mentioned to you on my PM. But I have all the dope and the preliminaries are all set, so I will do it, and you'll be the first to know...as if, of all people, you wouldn't be!!

With scarcely over a week left of 2014, it's almost time to say "Farewell to SOTI's 60th". What do you call a 61st anniversary?

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We've still got time to celebrate the 60th anniversary of when SOTI played at Alcatraz on Christmas Eve, or was it Boxing Day, in 1954.

Really looking forward to your post on the JFK board - you're bound to gain new stalkers on that nutty board, hob!

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They ran Secret of the Incas at Alcatraz?! I guess they wanted to show something that proved crime doesn't pay! You could fall off a mountain or something.

The "Birdman" was there then. Wonder what he thought about it? The movie has no adolescent boys in it for him to fantasize about raping and murdering, so he probably found it dull.

Like I said, marvelous Christmas fare I'm discussing here today!

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Stroud watched Secret of the Incas at Alcatraz 60 years ago?

If only Burt Lancaster had played Harry Steele - how ironic would that have been?

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Except in that case for all we know Heston would've wound up playing Robert Stroud!

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I think I should chip in here and inform you both that SECRET OF THE INCAS was only put on exhibition on Christmas Eve 1954 at Alcatraz for the benefit of the wardens and their wives. Robert Stroud and co. were all locked up while Chuck was searching for Inca gold.

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What an odd choice for a Christmas Eve movie in stir. I'd've expected something seasonal, like that other 1954 classic White Christmas. Though they probably didn't show that one because of concerns about the effect on the inmates of hearing Bing Crosby over the loudspeaker. The Rock had had one major riot in '46 and they obviously didn't want a repeat.

On the other hand, Yma Sumac's crooning probably sounded rather spooky wafting out there in the middle of windswept San Francisco Bay. When I first saw Alcatraz from a (safe) distance, it looked oddly small yet still foreboding. Yma and the wind would meld eerily.

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I bet that Alcatraz is the strangest location that SECRET OF THE INCAS played. I'm still trying to find out if the movie ever played at the cinema where Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested, but they never answer my emails.

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I suppose it's possible, but the odds are against it.

Have you tried looking up the records of the local newspapers -- The Dallas Morning News or The Dallas Herald? They would have had theater listings.

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Secret of the Incas played at Alcatraz???

Just think of the publicity SOTI would have received if it was playing at that Dallas cinema, I'm sure it would have been released onto dvd before now.

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Well, SOTI would have played there nine years earlier, so I don't think there would have been any connection made or that we'd have gotten a DVD out of it.

The only movie even remotely connected with JFK's assassination is the film being shown at that theater on November 22, 1963, which Oswald saw a few minutes of after he sneaked inside while eluding the police, and before he was arrested. It was of course Cry of Battle, with Van Heflin. (Not to be confused with the 1955 film Battle Cry, with Van Heflin.) Yet while Cry of Battle is available on DVD it's hard to find, and not much worth the effort anyway.

I wonder whether the Texas Theater showed JFK in 1991? Now that would have been an irony. And a travesty.

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Hey hob, happy holiday!

"White Christmas" was shown at Christmas (again!)and as soon as I saw Bing Crosby crooning away with Danny Kaye you will be delighted to know that I immediately thought of you, mate!

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Same hear - as soon as Bing Crosby is mentioned I, too, think of you, hob. Your posts on Bing must have left an indelible impression on us all here at SOTI City.

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Talk about one's reputation preceding one!

A game of one-upsmanship with James and his affinity for SOTI? 

I've been reading a new bio on Bob Hope and there are some interesting tidbits about Dr Bingle. After he died Hope turned an upcoming TV special of his into a tribute to Bing, and while he was working with the editor on clips he suddenly said that in all the years they'd known one another Crosby had never had Hope over to his house for dinner and was the cheapest man he ever knew.

The book also goes into how Crosby completely snubbed Dorothy Lamour on the sets of their films. Hope wasn't all that friendly but at least he talked and joked with her and wasn't nasty or impolite. Crosby simply ignored her, feeling she had no talent and was just riding along on his and Hope's fame. He never spoke to her when they weren't shooting and as soon as a scene was done he'd walk off without a word to her. He never even said hello to her. He even made sure she wasn't allowed to attend his funeral! Nice guy, really.

Both men also cut her out of the deals they made with Paramount (and, later, United Artists) to bring in their own production companies to film the last three Road pictures. They made huge profits but paid her little. But she got back a little when they made The Road to Hong Kong in 1961. They had actually dumped her entirely from that film and substituted Joan Collins, but the distributor, United Artists, insisted that Dottie be brought in for a cameo. Lamour agreed, but knowing she had them over a barrel, took them for plenty for her couple of minutes of work. Good for her!

But I like your phrase, HCH -- SOTI city. That rang a bell with me for some reason until I realized it sounded like the name of the fake desert town in Hitchcock's 1942 film Saboteur, where Bob Cummings and Priscilla Lane wind up in a den of Nazis operating out of a place called Soda City -- "The buckle on the bicarbonate belt" as Cummings sarcastically calls it. But I like SOTI City better. Think we can get them to change the name of Machu Picchu?

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The thing I remember most about SABOTEUR when viwing it in my early twenties was the wife remarking to me that I resembled Bob Cummings, which kind of irritated me. I saw it again a couple of years ago and Cummings reminded me slightly of Harry Steele in some scenes; the leather jacket and khaki trousers. If only he had worn a fedora!

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Crocodile Dundee looks more like Harry Steele than Bob Cummings in "Saboteur" I reckon!

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It takes more than a leather jacket to look like Harry Steele. Someone resembling Bing Crosby, for instance.

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Has Bing ever worn a leather jacket and fedora in any movie?

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On the Waterfront.

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How much did you drink this Christmas hob?

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You're right, James, I was pretty hazy from the drink last night. Obviously I meant The Wild One. One of Bing's best, especially the part where he beats up the sheriff and guns down the townspeople.

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It sounds like you've been having a few with Lee Marvin and Oliver Reed!

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Spirits with the spirits, but only in spirit!

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Anyway, my Wild One with Bing is obviously superior.

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Sounds like the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak to me!

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Leave Hannibal Lecter out of this!

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"I read everything you write ... I'm your biggest fan!"

Aw, shucks, James!

Well, I was exaggerating a little about how they shanghaied preview audiences. Usually they just advertised in the papers or on the theater marquee. But sometimes in the old days they did have one or two people out on the sidewalk hawking the preview and urging passers-by to come in. More commonly they often actually told people already in the theater that they were about to see a preview after they were already captive inside.

Did you ever see the 1989 documentary on the making of Gone With the Wind? It's about 90 minutes and is included in many DVD versions of the film, and was broadcast here back then. They previewed that film in a small town outside Los Angeles, in secret. According to an interviewee who had been in the preview audience, the manager (not Robert F. Wagner, Jr.!) came on stage and told everyone that the film they expected to see would not be shown, that they were to be treated to a major new Hollywood film for which their opinions would be asked. People were told they could leave now if they wanted to, but that if they stayed this was a very long film and they would not be able to leave once it started, so they were also allowed time to call home if they wished to say they'd be late. There was so much buzz about GWTW that everyone assumed that was the preview film, and they all stayed. The film was in a raw cut, with different titles and music laid on from The Prisoner of Zenda because Max Steiner hadn't finished recording the GWTW score yet. But they loved it and gave it rave reviews on the preview cards they were given afterward.

You can also see what this process was like in the film The Bad and the Beautiful, in the sequence where Kirk Douglas and Barry Sullivan rush their new film Doom of the Cat Men to a theater and afterward the crowd is seen surging out and writing their opinions on previews cards. (The first one read, "It stinks!")

Sad to say, however, that was probably not done with SOTI in its preview. That was only 24 hours ahead of its scheduled release, too late to change anything. Most previews are just sneak peeks a day or two ahead of a general release.

I wonder how much Walter Winchell was paid to write that favorable SOTI squib! He never did that kind of thing unless he received cash or some other consideration. Maybe someone gave him a sunburst?



(Walter Winchell being bribed.)

I was tickled by your use of the phrase "tickled pink" in reference to Liberace. Pink was very much a color many insiders would use to describe Li back in the day, and not for political reasons. But MSG hosted, and hosts, many kinds of entertainment, ranging from boxing matches to basketball games, to concerts to shows. However, the thought of Li stepping into the ring with, say, Rocky Graziano does tickle one pink...not to mention black and blue.

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