I have enjoyed watching some 1950's adventure films recently - Legend of the Lost and Plunder of the Sun, and it dawned on me that Heston's Harry Steele could quite easily have been substituted for the Wayne and Ford characters. Heston as Harry Steele could have gone around the world doing his thing, like a 1950's Indiana Jones, in quite a lot of other movies of that era as well, I think. Hey, they could have even had Harry Steele as a rip-off Stewart Granger in a King Solomon's Mines spin-off.
The most obvious one that immediately comes to mind is the bloke that Granger played in "Green Fire," but I'm blowed if I can remember his name. Anyway, he was very Harry Steele-ish in his attitude and displayed total arrogance throughout the movie. It was set somewhere in South America, too.
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Granger's character's name was Rian X. Mitchell in Green Fire (like Secret of the Incas, 1954). Not quite in the league of "Harry Steele" or "Indiana Jones", although the "X" was cool.
The movie was set in Colombia where Grace Kelly ran a coffee plantation even as Communist guerrillas threatened her livelihood and her weakling brother was after quick riches. Granger and Paul Douglas were fortune hunters like Kelly's bro, also seeking emeralds (the titular "green fire"), but who instead get involved with saving Kelly's farm for the greater glory of Maxwell House. Today Kelly would be operating a cocaine cartel and Granger and Douglas would be her middlemen/assassins.
Of course, if you want a character somewhat similar to H.S., Heston himself played a South American adventurer of sorts that same year (1954) in The Naked Jungle. But you also had Fernando Lamas in Jivaro (1954) and Robert Taylor in Valley of the Kings (also 1954, that one set in Egypt). There were plenty of movies made back then depicting some slick westerner trying to scam the locals. Especially in 1954.
If you substitute Harry Steele for the Lamas and Taylor characters in those movies, they would have been a helluva lot better, in my humble opinion. Harry Steele was far more likeable than Indiana Jones as well - he was a great character and I'm sorry that he was only used once, in "Secret of the Incas."
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Yeah, I don't suppose it ever occurred to Paramount to make additional films with Harry Steele. (Hell, it never occurred to me until you brought it up!) That wasn't normal studio practice back then. A character was usually used once, then tossed away like an old sunburst.
Secret of the Incas was basically a run-of-the-mill studio production, so any sequels of sorts would have been of similar caliber. But that might have actually worked in favor of a series since when studios did do such things (Tarzan, Jungle Jim, Mr. Moto, Charlie Chan, Blondie, etc.) they were usually B's or lower-level A's.
Heston might not have done it anyway, hob, because he hated doing spin-offs. The only reason he made "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" was as a favour to Zanuck for making the original - and then he asked them to kill him off quickly to avoid any more. Chuck later regretted it when he saw all the moolah they made!
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True, although he did do that unbilled cameo in the 2001 remake of Planet of the Apes, which was pretty amusing.
But in 1954 Heston was a Paramount contract player and if the studio had insisted he re-create the role in a sequel he'd pretty much have had to do it. I doubt there'd have been more than one or two others in such a series, but as Heston's star was rising then the films might have increased in importance. But as I said, series at that level were unusual, though a single sequel was not uncommon (though still not usual).
It really is odd how this film seems to have fallen through the cracks.
Please, please, please NEVER mention that abortion of a movie ever again, hob. What a total travesty - Tim Burton's worst ever attempt at filming, by a long way.
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I recently saw the latest Ape movie, and I'm having a rethink about Burton's effort now. I hated the new one, none of the apes are wearing leather jackets or smoking cigars!
I haven't seen the new addition to the Apes saga yet, but if there's one thing I couldn't abide, it's seeing talking apes being made to look ridiculous.
Haha hob, very good. I wish that the Oliver Stone one had got off the ground, with Arnold Schwarzenegger playing Charlton Heston's character, but they cancelled it for some reason. Arnie as Chuck - that would have been something to see, far better than Wahlberg.
Say what? Oliver Stone wanted to do an Apes remake?! Never heard that one. What, was he going to have Taylor conspiring with Zira and Cornelius to assassinate Dr. Zaius, with only the incorruptible and fearless Honorius left to expose their deadly monkeyshines?
In which case, casting Kennedy in-law Ah-nold makes perfect Stonian sense.
As bad as Oliver Stone is as a director, his Ape film would surely have been better than Burton's feeble effort. Arnie was also pencilled in to do a remake of The Omega Man a while back, which also would have been better than Will Smith's impersonation of Heston.
Stone isn't a bad director, technically speaking. He's just a dishonest, lying piece of human filth who should be crucified with jagged rusty nails on splintery boards, dumped on a midden heap someplace and left to die in slow agony with his vocal chords slit so he can't scream about any more fake conspiracies.
What?
You guys are really down on Burton's remake. I'm not particularly fond of it (once was enough) but if it had been a Stone film I guarantee all you ardent Hestonites would be uttering the same negatives toward that version as you do toward the real one, regardless of how it turned out!
I also never heard that Arnold was supposed to do I Am Legend. Haddock, are you sure about that? The movie was made in 2007 while Arnold was just starting his second four-year term as Governor of California. I doubt they would have held it up until 2011 or later just to get an aging muscleman in a tale that should have a more intellectual hero. Or was it in the works when Schwarzenegger was first elected Governor in the 2003 recall election, so that the filmmakers had to scout out someone else?
Regardless, sorry HCH, I think he would have been terrible in the part, if for no other reason than his age. Actually there are other reasons. Personally, I think Will Smith was very good in the role and well suited to it. I just don't care for the story, which I find so depressing.
And Smith was no more "impersonating" Heston in that part than Chuck was impersonating Vincent Price in the first film version of the story, The Last Man on Earth (1964).
Of course, we could have avoided the Smith film entirely simply by colorizing the Price movie.
hob, Arnie was pencilled in to play the lead in a remake of "The Omega Man". I copied this excerpt from Wiki
Actors Tom Cruise, Michael Douglas, and Mel Gibson had been considered to star in the film, using a script by Protosevich and with Ridley Scott as director; however, by June 1997 the studio's preference was for actor Arnold Schwarzenegger. In July, Scott and Schwarzenegger finalized negotiations, with production slated to begin the coming September, using Houston as a stand-in for the film's setting of Los Angeles. Scott had Protosevich replaced by a screenwriter of his own choosing, John Logan, with whom he spent months of intensive work on a number of different drafts. The Scott/Logan version of I Am Legend was a mix of sci-fi and psychological thriller, without dialogue in the first hour and with a sombre ending. The creatures in Logan's version were similar to the Darkseekers of the finished film in their animalistic, barbaric nature. The studio, fearing its lack of commercial appeal and merchandising potential, began to worry about the liberties they had given Scott – then on a negative streak of box office disappointments – and urged the production team to reconsider the lack of action in the screenplay. After an "esoteric" draft by writer Neal Jimenez, Warner Bros. reassigned Protosevich to the project, reluctantly working with Scott again.
In December 1997, the project was called into question when the projected budget escalated to $108 million due to media and shareholder scrutiny of the studio in financing a big-budget film. Scott rewrote the script in an attempt to reduce the film's budget by $20 million, but in March 1998, the studio canceled the project due to continued budgetary concerns, and quite possibly to the box office disappointment of Scott's last three films, 1492: Conquest of Paradise, White Squall, and G.I. Jane. Likewise, Schwarzenegger's recent films at the time (Eraser and Warner Bros. own Batman & Robin) also underperformed, and the studio's latest experiences with big budget sci-fi movies Sphere and The Postman were negative as well. In August 1998, director Rob Bowman was attached to the project, with Protosevich hired to write a third all-new draft, far more action-oriented than his previous versions, but the director (who reportedly wished for Nicolas Cage to play the lead) moved on to direct Reign of Fire and the project did not get off the ground.
In March 2002, Schwarzenegger became the producer of I Am Legend, commencing negotiations with Michael Bay to direct and Will Smith to star in the film. Bay and Smith were attracted to the project based on a redraft that would reduce its budget. However, the project was shelved due to Warner Bros. president, Alan F. Horn's dislike of the script. In 2004, Akiva Goldsman was asked by head of production Jeff Robinov to produce the film. In September 2005, director Francis Lawrence signed on to helm the project, with production slated to begin in 2006. Guillermo del Toro was originally approached to direct by Smith but turned it down in order to direct Hellboy II: The Golden Army. Lawrence, whose film Constantine was produced by Goldsman, was fascinated by empty urban environments. He said, "Something's always really excited me about that... to have experienced that much loss, to be without people or any kind of social interaction for that long."
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Stone isn't a bad director, technically speaking. He's just a dishonest, lying piece of human filth who should be crucified with jagged rusty nails on splintery boards, dumped on a midden heap someplace and left to die in slow agony with his vocal chords slit so he can't scream about any more fake conspiracies.
Did Oliver Stone kill your budgie, hob?
I don't particularly like the man but I would have paid to see the Arnie vs the Apes movie that never actually got off the ground. I thought it sounded an interesting project.
Os: Have you reflected on the irony of your reprinting three long paragraphs about a movie that was never made while maintaining a signature line that reads, The internet is for lonely people. People should live.?
But thank you for the information. I didn't doubt it, just had never heard such a thing. But given Arnie's being preoccupied with governing California, he couldn't have done the flick by the mid-2000s. I still think he would have been not only wrong for, but totally uninteresting in, I Am Legend.
Haddock: Arnie vs. the Apes would have been better than Arnie vs. zombies. Even so, that doesn't mean it would have been good.
Incidentally, I just finished watching Planet of the Apes on TCM here. It was preceded by King Kong and succeeded by Beneath the Planet of the Apes, both of which I missed. (Beneath is on as I type but while I caught a bit of it I watched the news instead.)
Actually, I only saw the very end of Planet of the Apes anyway. I was watching an episode of Gunsmoke on the Encore Western Channel instead. And Beneath is only barely a Heston movie, akin in that sense to your favorite CH film of all, Tim Burton's remake of POTA.
As to the news, once in a while I do have to keep up with what's happening in the world. Just last night I saw this alarming report about a bunch of subterranean humans who've stored away a thermonuclear bomb and are threatening to blow up some kind of zoo I think. Terrible.
Yes, hob, I'm forever reflecting on the ironic things I do and say, its my hobby. I like what Chuck said about the internet, it really is for lonely people. There is really something sad about sitting down in front of a computer screen and typing stuff to complete strangers ... it is sad and lonely (unless you have a house full of noisy gits still celebrating Christmas!)
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Join the club ccorraliza, we all enjoy Charlton Heston in Secret of the Incas on this board. I do hope you will be able to see, or obtain Plunder of the Sun and Legend of the Lost in some format, I found them very entertaining and well worth the money I paid for them.
Secret of the Incas of course has never had an official R1 release. You can get a good copy on the site Ioffer.com but choose the seller carefully. An R2 DVD from Spain is pretty good but if you're in North America you'll need an all-region player to be able to watch it.
Plunder of the Sun is in print and available on DVD.
Legend of the Lost is out of print but copies are still available from Amazon Marketplace sellers.
The last two films are okay but in truth no great classics.